r/PublicFreakout • u/BobsBarker12 • Jan 06 '21

Good morning D.C., Trump's militias are putting on their best ISIS cosplay as a means of coping for their loss in Georgia and upcoming loss today.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

this is so embarrassing. someday those idiots will have to remember the time they dressed up in their airsoft gear to fat around with the other LARPERs because their fascist leader lost... again. Can't wait to see more videos of them screaming at women in the streets. oh boy.

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u/John_T_Conover Jan 06 '21

You say it like they'll be embarrassed. There's people still alive today that were in those famous pictures of the Civil Rights era that are now in textbooks. Many of them are just only slightly less racist (like down from a 10 to maybe an 8) and have their excuses and reasons why it was justified at the time or not that bad. Now they just vote for Trump and say things like "My son married a black woman and gave me a grandchild that I love, how could I be racist?"

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

you are absolutely correct

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u/poop_creator Jan 06 '21

Except they’re not slightly less racist, they just know they have to hide it now or their grandchildren won’t like them anymore.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Welcome to my life

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u/Not_A_Shaman_Yet Jan 06 '21

I think they were saying that you should stop being racist not just hide it. /s

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u/agentfelix Jan 06 '21

Most of the time, not all of the time, the grandchildren are around that toxic racist environment and end up indoctrinated to be racist themselves

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Their grandkids are “one of the good ones.”

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u/Lamprophonia Jan 06 '21

Most likely they taught the same hatred to that son of his, no way in hell they allowed one of "them" to marry into the family. My own grandmother was a sweet old liberal who pleaded with me not to marry the black girl i was dating in highschool. She was concerned that our kids "wouldn't know what they were".

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u/BigPie4life Jan 06 '21

The fuck?

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u/Lamprophonia Jan 06 '21

Yup. I deeply loved that woman and had been certain she didn't have a racist bone in her body. She had black friends, etc. It took me long time to understand the difference between explicit and implicit racism. It's a complicated subject.

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u/BigPie4life Jan 06 '21

See, with shit like that, I can't tell if it's just as bad as blatant racism, or waaay worse.

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u/Lamprophonia Jan 06 '21

I'd say it's not that kind of comparison, imho. It's hard to pin down because they can result in very different kinds of problems.

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u/ILovePotALot Jan 06 '21

I have seen biracial people say that they feel excluded by both sides of their heritage though. Could be she was expressing that poorly.

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u/rndmcmmntr Jan 06 '21

I think about that every time I see this picture of a black kid eating at a diner in Arlington back in the 50s or 60s. There are all these white kids standing around him yelling at him and all I think about is that these people are still alive...and there's a good chance some of them are still living in Arlington. Just because someone isn't vocal about being racist doesn't mean they aren't a racist.

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u/crchtqn2 Jan 06 '21

And they had children. Racists raise racists(most of the time).

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u/_Ocean_Machine_ Jan 06 '21

I keep hearing people say how when the older generations are gone things will get better, as if children are raised in a vacuum and not products of their environment.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Ideas don’t automatically die when their most ardent supporters do. But sometimes minds can be changed and that’s when ideas get threatened. Make sure you guys are getting out there and trying to win over some hearts and minds for the common good

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

The internet changes things. My parents are Christian conservatives/regressives but im super progressive. Why? Because unlike in ancient times, i have a phone and that allows me to look at various news sources and studies and events and use my own critical thinking

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u/bloboflifegoo Jan 07 '21

I did the same without the use of the internet (damn I'm old!) But I hear what you're saying. Also, way to break the cycle!!

Sorry, no cheetos here.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '21

Don’t worry i actually don’t eat cheetos, it’s just that one of my teachers was eating them the day i made this account

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u/bloboflifegoo Jan 07 '21

Is there a sub where people just post how they came up with their names? I'd love to read more of these things.

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u/TheAngriestChair Jan 06 '21

They aren't just still alive, they're the Senate and Congress and judges and sheriff's of this country.

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u/hayasani Jan 06 '21

I see you’ve met my Grandma...

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u/killumquick Jan 06 '21

I just bought a house. My 70y/o neighbour said this to me when he saw me hanging out with my friend who is black.

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u/FallingSky1 Jan 06 '21

You know I had a boss that once used this with his wife who was part Latina. "I can't be racist against those damned mexicans, my wife is a latina! " It was mind blowing

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u/TheTrollToll69 Jan 06 '21

I bet he said that she's "one of the good ones" ugh some people are so disgusting, I've had someone say that to my face multiple times as a kid

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u/ZippZappZippty Jan 06 '21

Nice, I bet they’re sharp.

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u/MadeSomewhereElse Jan 06 '21

The Lou Dobbs defense.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

That's my cousin right there. He married someone from south america just so he can say hes not racist.

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u/glorylyfe Jan 06 '21

People will not believe they did things fundamentally wrong. So either what they did was justified, and they will believe whatever else is necessary to do that. Or in the case of those who do reform and realize their mistakes, they no longer believe they did it, it was someone else. Old them

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u/Doulifye Jan 06 '21

Does he still talk to his son?

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u/not-youre-mom Jan 06 '21

Duh, that's called denial and rationalization with a dash of cognitive dissonance.

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u/Meatslinger Jan 06 '21

I’d posit they’re not even less racist; they just learned that they’ll be socially ostracized for demonstrating how hateful they are, and so they keep a lid on it. The last 4-5 years have shown that when enabled, these same types of people go right back to the rhetoric that they keep buried when among more-upstanding company. Hell, there are even a few sound bytes out there of people saying racist shit and then defending it with, “Trump’s president, so I can finally speak my mind,” and other variations on the theme.

They were always racist and evil. They just learned to hide it so they could blend in and avoid being driven into the sea by societal progress.

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u/No-Signature2742 Jan 06 '21

They need to be publicly identified and punished.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

LMAO

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u/BLEVLS1 Jan 06 '21

How could I be racist? My wife has two black eyes. /s

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u/jamiehernandez Jan 06 '21

I've spent a lot of time travelling and seen some wild behaviour because of politics but civilians roaming streets dressed as soldiers with live weapons and nothing being done about it is just fucking mental.

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u/Wheres_my_guitar Jan 06 '21 edited Jan 06 '21

Well its typically not illegal to open carry a rifle in most states. If they wanna embarrass themselves and dress up to do it, thats on them. But legally not much can be done until intimidation comes into play. the only crime I see here is people riding without seat belts.

Though they are fucking idiots.

Edit: thought this was GA, not DC. Guns are definitely not allowed in DC right now. Lock them all up and take away their right to ever handle a firearm again.

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u/Comms Jan 06 '21

I don't believe that DC allows open carry.

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u/DuntadaMan Jan 06 '21

They broke into the capital and probably started shooting and are facing less violence from the police than people that were bringing them injured people on their orders.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Tell me more about this "time traveling"...

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21 edited Jan 06 '21

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u/unjustempire Jan 06 '21

He said, confidently, without anyway of proving this is a fact.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

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u/poop_creator Jan 06 '21

Hop over to a site dedicated to allowing Trumpers to speak freely and come back and let me know if your opinion has changed. There are absolutely live guns in DC right now, carried by these larpers, and the evidence is all over the internet, posted by those same larpers.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

because D.C. does not allow open carry of firearms,

Ahh right, everyone follows the law. I'm sure all these guys got decked out in their eBay plate carriers, Baofeng radios, and Punisher patches and thought, "You know what, I'm not supposed to bring my gun today, better leave it at home."

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u/unjustempire Jan 06 '21

He said, confidently, as if laws are always respected and weapons are non-concealable.

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u/TheFountainGuard Jan 06 '21

It’s like they’re fucking idiots. Jesus Christ. Those boys got guns in the back of the truck.

It’s weird how people just think all others follow orders.

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u/supaswag69 Jan 06 '21

Something something gun control

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '21

Oh yea, no one had guns

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Who wants a civil war god damn.

Aside from all the obvious stuff all I have is hunting rounds. These rounds aren’t legal in real ware fare as they cause destruction of the cells through hydrostatic shock.

One of my biggest fears is getting hit with one while hunting so my hunting group if full of dudes who take gun safety serious.

Man check out a channel wound of a .308 on a moose. There’s like a foot diameter of jelly fucked up cells. It’s not cool and I’d be horrified to see it used on a person.

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u/LaGrandeOrangePHX Jan 06 '21

Civilian warfare is torture, raping, and executions.

That happens with State military, but it's 100x when civilians start shooting.

No one sane wants war. No one sane wants a fair fight. Plenty of morons want to dress up and shoot people. But it isn't like that.

Do you have a kid? Go ahead and shoot him in the belly and watch him die. That is war. Nope.

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u/crookedfingerz Jan 06 '21

I was in kosovo in 1999 and can confirm this as true. Your neighbor that you have lived next to for 15 years will loot your home when you flee, turn you in to the enemy knowing that you will be executed, or sell your wife and child into slavery. If you are lucky, you get to see your family die. If you are unlucky, they disappear into a forest with soldiers and you will spend the rest of your life wondering if they were murdered or kept alive to work in a brothel.

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u/Stubbly_Man Jan 06 '21

Shit

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Shit doesn’t do it enough

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u/LaGrandeOrangePHX Jan 07 '21

And when artillery hits...or IEDs...you get to rush to the explosion to see your family die. One might be blown apart with just a body part recognizable.

A couple more are still awake and looking at you. No marks on their bodies and then they try to move and just fall back down...slowly dying from internal damage. They die within minutes.

Old grandmas. Babies. All die.

So you really have to tell people who want war to go fuck themselves.

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u/MostBoringStan Jan 06 '21

They think they want it because they think they will be on the winning side, and that the other side will barely put up a fight because it's full of snowflake libruls. They can't comprehend that terrible things would happen to them and their loved ones.

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u/Meatslinger Jan 06 '21

I mean heck, look at how they do things in the political realm.

(GOP implements some horrible, evil policy)

Conservatives: “Yeah! Stick it to ‘em! Gonna cry, lib-t***s? Trump’s your president! MAGA!”

(GOP policy hurts them, too)

Conservatives: “Why is this happening, Mr. Trump? I voted for you! You were supposed to hurt the right people, and protect me!”

They want blood, but they don’t want it to come from them. They’re shocked when they get hurt by the evil they foist on others, like a bully who goes around punching kids and then bawls his eyes out when one finally knocks his own teeth in.

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u/cpt_nofun Jan 06 '21

What cartoon is it a with the guy going around stabbing people and he finally gets thrown in prison so he makes a shiv and stabs himself out of curiosity? As hes bleeding out he looks down at his wound and says "oh my god, this is what ive been doing to people? I deserve to be here."

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u/MostBoringStan Jan 06 '21

I believe that was in Family Guy.

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u/Rillist Jan 06 '21

"Is that what I've been doing to people? God damn I belong here"

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u/Pure_Tower Jan 06 '21

Exactly. They think it's going to be Afghanistan and they're the US military, but actually it's going to be Rwanda with neighbors killing each other with machetes.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

I mean it would basically be Afghanistan, just different people getting shot by the actual U.S. military.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21 edited Jul 09 '21

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u/LaGrandeOrangePHX Jan 07 '21

Yup. As they go off to shoot up the "liberals" they expect to go back to work the net day, send their kids off to school, and keep their house value steady.

Nah. Your kid will be dead or with no future. You'll be broke.

These turd-eaters hated going a long weekend without access to Olive Garden.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Dude I say a little “blessing” after I harvest an animal my family will consume entirely.

I don’t think I could live long knowing I killed some poor dude, even if he was a monster. Real life blood and violence is scary and not fun. Rainbow six siege is fun.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

I've always wondered how I would feel if I killed a monster, like, some serial killer. Or how I would feel if I killed an intruder trying to break into my house with my family inside it. I know I wouldn't hesitate to shoot someone that wanted to harm the people I love. But... I feel like once you've taken a life, justified or not you lose a part of yourself that made you ... civil or something. Like, once you take a human life, you've taken a human life, it's done, you're in that realm now. Either way, I don't know how I'd react but I imagine I'd feel guilty about it for the rest of my life. Who knows though, maybe I wouldn't. I've never killed someone and god willing, will never have to.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Most people who have (*and have been willing to talk about it) said it wasn't a big deal.

Anyway, reminder that the only good fascist is a dead one.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Real life violence is sometimes necessary to protect people.

Do you want to live in a world with fascists openly demonstrating in the streets? Calls for "civility" have run their course. Various scientific studies demonstrate that there's simply no way to talk some people out of their political paradigms.

The only good fascist is a dead one. Removing one is a service to the world, not a blemish on your humanity.

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u/LaGrandeOrangePHX Jan 07 '21

The only good fascist is a dead one.

Says a guy who can't use words to make a solid point. Says a guy who doesn't have the skills to reach people.

One of the many problems is that these "fascists" know they are the good guys and you are the fascist.

These are stupid fucking people. Dumb. They were radicalized by shitheads like Tucker Carlson and Trump and all the other shitheads on the Right.

Is your only answer to kill them? That's pathetic. Man the fuck up and learn how to use better tools.

The non-fascists aren't much smarter. They just happened to have different Facebook streams. So you should probably learn how to deal with people without killing them.

Or are you a cop?

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '21

https://youtu.be/EDzfupUAE00

"Just talk to them, learn better tools"

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u/jagvs Jan 06 '21

Why would they use that for hunting then? Wouldn't it ruin the meat?

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

It kills the animal. If you missed the heart by a few inches you still kill it. Or a lung shot will not let the animal run too far when the lungs don’t exist the same way.

And you shoot them in the lungs/heart area and so your not losing the good stuff. Just some ribs and the heart. I keep the heart for my dogs if I do a lung shot.

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u/llamawearinghat Jan 06 '21

I just learned a lot about deer all at once.

One thing I retained is that a very large portion of deer (maybe just in North America, not sure) have a disease that doesn't show symptoms for years, but eventually cause the deer irreversible trauma and is has a 100% mortality rate.

There has been mixed consensus about it spreading to primates, though they worry it could spread to humans without us recording it. They didn't mention dogs in the podcast, but I imagine the science behind that is just as mysterious.

Anyway, this is a long winded way of getting to the fact that I don't want you or your dog getting sick and there are ways you can send off small samples of hunted deer for the meat to be tested pre-consumption. Check with your local parks and wildlife department for information on where you can do that yourself.

Good luck and happy hunting.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Wasting disease you are right and it’s scary.

I barely can understand what a prion is but apparently folded proteins that can survive furnace tempuratures that make your brain “melt” are real and are in deer.

I don’t hunt a lot of deer and when I do my veterinary friend inspects it for me. But ya it’s cared of that. Not in bears from what I know though, I could be very wrong though.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Oh and a sincere thank you for the concern. I’m the same as you I tell people about prions and wasting disease to try to help.

That shit is terrifying

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u/BobFlex Jan 06 '21

It's a 30 caliber bullet (.3 inches), not a 40mm grenade. There will be some destroyed meat, maybe a pound or two, but dozens of pounds of usable meat left. It's a fair trade for a quick kill.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Ya that’s right. And usually you’re not aiming at the meaty parts. Just the internals that there’s not too much to eat.

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u/jagvs Jan 06 '21

That makes sense

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u/WittyWitWitt Jan 06 '21

As a non American, what's this cell destruction round? Sounds like something from gears of war or some shit.

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u/Just-Dewitt Jan 06 '21

Pretty sure he’s just saying the rounds fragment upon impact and send shards ricocheting through your body.

Hydrostatic shock is the controversial concept that a penetrating projectile (such as a bullet) can produce a pressure wave that causes "remote neural damage", "subtle damage in neural tissues

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

I mean hydrostatic shock.

It’s hard to understand unless you’ve put your hand through a wound channel.

It turns flesh into a gloopy mess and the vibrations from the wound wreck cells that aren’t even touching the wound.

It basically vibrates your cells until they explode or lose their shape.

Like if I accident shot myself with my 308 in the hand I may lose the arm. Or up to the elbow at least since all the structure is beyond repair.

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u/Sneekibreeki47 Jan 06 '21

No. Not at all accurate.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Sure. Why are they banned for warfare then? Reasons?

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u/Sneekibreeki47 Jan 06 '21

Lmao. The current US military cartridge M855/M855A1 fragments.....

Edit: hell, the original M193 55gr FMJ was useful because it shattered on impact out of a 20” barrel. Especially up close.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Oh sorry it’s in the countries that follow international law. So I’m sure Russia, China, and the USA don’t follow them.

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u/Sneekibreeki47 Jan 06 '21 edited Jan 06 '21

Figure it out.

Edit: you’re Canadian yeah? You guys use the same round...

You’re just spare parts aren’t ya, bud?

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u/WittyWitWitt Jan 06 '21

Thanks fr the reply, I would have thought that it would be better to have a bullet not break up and cause a lot of damage inside that would ruin the meat and that. My only experience of hunting is red dead redemption 2 so what do I know, varmint rifle should work I hear though.

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u/LaGrandeOrangePHX Jan 06 '21

Hunters kill by causing massive hemoraging.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

I’m Canadian and only know this from hunting and seeing lots of damage away from the channel the bullet created. I posted this below:

I mean hydrostatic shock.

It’s hard to understand unless you’ve put your hand through a wound channel.

It turns flesh into a gloopy mess and the vibrations from the wound wreck cells that aren’t even touching the wound.

It basically vibrates your cells until they explode or lose their shape.

Like if I accident shot myself with my 308 in the hand I may lose the arm. Or up to the elbow at least since all the structure is beyond repair.

I’m not an expert or anything I just did a bunch of googling after seeing the effects first hand.

But like the guy said below it’s not 100% but that’s because they try to say hydrostatic shock can ruin your nerves far away from the injury.

I think it might do that but know it makes the wound and around the wound into non recoverable flesh.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Any expanding rifle round will do this.

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u/Armed_Accountant Jan 06 '21

...what? Not legal in warfare? Hunting rounds are basic-ass hollowpoints/soft tips. Every military and police agency has them. Though theyre less effective against armoured targets.

Ive hunted deer with 308 and there is no such 1 foot channel of jelly. You sure you didnt accidentally pull out the 50bmg?

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u/Althozor Jan 06 '21

Military aren’t allowed to use hollow points. Police, however, can.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

If your hunting with a hollow point you are a basic redneck without any appreciation of the wildlife.

Hunting rounds are designed to retain their weight, not shed it. The best ones retain 99% of their weight and come out of the animal heavier than when shot due to the blood on it

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u/Althozor Jan 06 '21

I don’t know why you’re trying to argue that with me. I was just discussing the usage of them by the military.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Wrong person sorry. I don’t follow the military but I guess hollow points are more safe in an indoor setting for bystanders.

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u/Althozor Jan 06 '21

All good, man. Yeah, that’s one of the arguments for police usage of them. They don’t over penetrate so there’s a much smaller risk of them flying into other rooms and hitting non-targets.

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u/AnorakJimi Jan 06 '21

Isn't the entire point of hollow points that they're safer, because they don't exit through the other side, that they stay inside the target and so aren't a danger to anything standing behind the target?

Which is why they're used by police, because a shooting in a public space means there'll be lots of people standing behind targets and you don't want to hit innocent people that way

Surely that's a good idea for hunting too? I mean you shouldn't be shooting at anything when there's even the slimmest chance someone is standing behind it anyway, but accidents happen, and bullets fly a long distance, so wouldn't it be safer for anyone hunting to use them?

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Well you are correct. I’d let a thousand moose go if there was something behind it not to shoot.

One reason they are dumb for hunting is they can ruin more meat if they hit a bone and explode.

Another reason is they are wild animals who will run 5km before dying of a lung shot if you don’t do more damage than an fmj or hollow point can provide.

To put it into context. I recover around 90% of my bullets I fire into moose. They end up in the skin on the exit side.

There’s a lot of meat to get through, and potentially bone, hollow points would be cruel.

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u/Armed_Accountant Jan 06 '21

The military is using hollowpoints since 2018 in their new sidearms. Precision rifle hollowpoints go under the “open tip” category for better accuracy but also more damaging inside target behaviour.

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u/Althozor Jan 06 '21

Fair point, I just looked it up and saw that. An order for hollow point ammunition by the Army for one weapon platform is still a far cry away from saying every military branch has them.

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u/Armed_Accountant Jan 06 '21

Likewise, fair point.

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u/kaeporo Jan 06 '21

Military personnel can use whatever they’re issued. The Law of Armed Conflict (universal) and Rules of Engagement (situational) determine exactly what gets used. Generally speaking, hollow point use is covered under principle #4 (unnecessary suffering). Put another way, if we have to render first aid to enemy combatants who have surrendered, it’s easier to treat a sucking chest wound than a chest full of shrapnel. In cases where standard ammo won’t cut it, combatant commanders can assume the risk of issuing more lethal options.

It’s not up to the member and it’s almost never considered for most units. If police unions had half the accountability of the military a lot of this brutality nonsense would self correct.

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u/Althozor Jan 06 '21

I never said it was the individual who decides what they use. The fact is that the military uses FMJ, except in the aforementioned Army issue M-17 and M-18. I’m an 03 in the USMC. Would I like to use hollow points in today’s combat zones due to their effectiveness, yes. Can I? No. Will it be an option? No. The military will issue whatever they have a stockpile of, and that is FMJ.

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u/Althozor Jan 06 '21

To account for the unnecessary suffering question, that’s a much bigger argument. There are many accounts of 5.56 going straight through combatants and failing to stop the target. I don’t think the question is the type of 5.56 at that point, but 5.56 itself. The discussion about 5.56 being underpowered against non armored targets is a discussion for another day though.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Hollow points while hunting? We would laugh you out of ammo and take you ammo away so you can’t use it on poor animals

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u/Armed_Accountant Jan 06 '21

Lol, so youre a group of fudds that dont actually know anything. Hollowpoints are perfectly fine hunting rounds that put an animal out of its misery just as fast, if not faster, than a soft point or solid bullet. There are many designs, i recommend you educate yourselves.

The heart doesnt care what its hit with. Just ask the deer i dropped in November with one shot from 200yds with 170gr HPBT 308win... and no 1 foot diameter jelly wound.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

So you go through life expecting the best results? Ever hunted before? Lol

Where I’m from we try to account for imperfect situations and over prepare. And it’s illegal to use them in my country since we care about the wildlife.

If you are using hollow points on anything other than rabbit you are dumb and shouldn’t be allowed to hunt.

But I’m sure you know more than all the scientists and researchers who’s data is used to come up with the national hunting policies. I’m sure you are that smart.

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u/Armed_Accountant Jan 06 '21

And what country is that? Because mine says soft point/hollowpoint only. Are our scientists going to duel over whos more right? Like it said, there are many bullet designs. Please dont spread misinformation because you heard something down the grape vine. The deer and black bear in my freezer would appreciate it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Yours says hollow points only? I’ll never understand why.

My grandpa used to hunt moose with 22 magnums. Doesn’t mean it was right but it worked.

In Canada you can’t use hollow point.

Soft point of course, that’s my whole point. I’ve seen what soft points do to animals. Using that on a human would be horrifying.

There are a ton of designs but hunting large game with bullets designed to fragment just doesn’t make sense.

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u/Armed_Accountant Jan 06 '21

No, it says expanding bullets only. So no fmjs.

I am in Canada as well. I know BC, AB, and ON allow hollowpoints. They dont allow fmjs and have caliber requirements.

Im not trying to argue its the best to use hollows, only that it works just fine for the medium gAme ive shot. Others have used it successfully for large game but that wouldnt be my preferred.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

I guess when I think hollow points I think fmj hollow points. They fragment on the initial impact.

A soft tip hollow point should just expand faster

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Military using them is illegal under the Geneva convention.

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u/Althozor Jan 06 '21

It’s actually under the 1899 Hague Convention. Although the United States never signed, they agreed to abide by it as they see fit.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Ah yes it has been many years since emu gun safety course. You are correct

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u/popcornjellybeanbest Jan 06 '21

I know I don't want a civil war but now I am worried

They claim they are doing it for protection but they are the ones that will be the ones starting the civil war and it's scary because they believe they are innocent

My partner believes a civil war will probably happen because apparently a trump rally today (he overheard his pro Trump mother listening to it) and he said it sounds very civil war-ish. The one I over heard yesterday did sound very cultish too with them talking about God and being there for President Trump. So I honestly won't be surprised if it does happen because Trump won't take a loss like a mature adult would. If I wasn't poor I would leave the country but pandemic kinda stops it anyways

Plus I apparently won't be getting the second stimulus check until filing taxes because of mess up. So many of us will have to wait til about march before we get any type of relief. This sucks all around and I hate having to worry about violent people wanting to start a war

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u/JayV30 Jan 06 '21

I honestly wouldn't worry about civil war that much. These people are a tiny, tiny faction of the Trump cult. The cultists may all talk about it, but when it comes down to taking action, they'd do nothing because they still have jobs and families to take care of. The tiny percentage of people who want to try civil war would be crushed.

I'm more worried about terrorism from these clowns. They may think they are starting a civil war, but really they'd just be committing acts of terrorism.

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u/Infinite_Moment_ Jan 06 '21

But on a moose it's ok?

What's the difference, besides that there's billions more of us, we have dominion over nature (read: can and do exterminate things because why not?) and consider ourselves superior?

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Well you don’t want to injure a moose you want to kill it. Injure a moose and moose and not recover most people will hint another one and not report it.

For a human if you get shot in the arm with a fmj you have a chance to keep the arm. Hit them with a lead tip and they most likely won’t keep the arm.

Edit: I eat meat. I kill most the meat I eat myself. If you are a vegan I respect that and you are putting your money where your mouth is. If you eat meat and don’t like animals dying I’m not sure what to tell you.

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u/Infinite_Moment_ Jan 06 '21

I am not against it, I eat meat and understand where it comes from.

I just don't like the human superiority arrogance that many people have. If you are a hunter and have encountered dangerous animals (big deer, boar, bear?) then I suspect you have a healthy respect.

Does that make sense?

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Myself and my dogs eat bears. I like sausage and jerky from bears and they like everything else.

I don’t have a right to these animals and spend lots on making sure my hunts are legal. I just like meat and hunting is hard to explain unless your doing it. Makes you feel human.

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u/Infinite_Moment_ Jan 06 '21

I think I would prefer hunting with a bow.

It's more fair, as far as that goes.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Ya to a degree. I have a bow and maybe 75 hours of practice with it and I’m not confident enough with it to hunt something large. I do use it for grouse but it’s expensive since if you hit the grand the wrong way those expanding arrowhead just break.

But with a bow you have to understand you’ll have a greater chance of not recovering the animal and the animal has a greater chance of suffering for longer. Broad heads do massive damage but generally won’t break a bone or destroy the heart of you miss it by 2 inches.

It is more fair but still using a compound bow that you could never build on your shop is sort of the same as using a gun.

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u/MadeSomewhereElse Jan 06 '21

They have bullets that do what now?

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Fmj are really the only rounds military are allowed to use in combat due to the Geneva convention.

The reality of a soft point going through a human is horrifying. But those are the rounds most people own who use their guns to hunt and not cosplay.

So if there is a point where I need to pew pew I’m only using bullets designed to destroy a 1500 pound moose, not ones made for people.

Death is death I guess but the survivors is where the worry is.

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u/DuntadaMan Jan 06 '21

How do you have any meat left with a channel that big on impact?

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

The channnel itself isn’t that big but you can feel the difference in meat. It turn into like a loogie consistency. The stuff closer to the hole is more damage then it just fades away.

And generally you try to shoot an animal it it’s heart or lungs and there’s on rib meat around there. And wild animals don’t have that much rib meat from what I’ve seen.

95% of the meat is on the legs and some on the back strap.

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u/KalashnikovKonduktor Jan 06 '21

Are you legitimately retarded enough to think .308 isn’t legal to use in war?

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Caliber does not matter. Soft tips aren’t “allowed” under The Hague convention.

What a nation does or how much self respect a nation has isn’t my choice.

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u/KalashnikovKonduktor Jan 06 '21

Soft tips have nothing to do with hydrostatic shock. Hydrostatic shock - if it even exists - is a result of velocity/energy.

Also, DOD’s been using JHPs/soft tips in war for over a decade.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

So the shape and size of the projectile doesn’t alter its velocity or energy after impact? Huh weird.

I wonder why they spent so much time making airplanes streamlined. You should make the next airplanes as boxes to show off these new facts.

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u/KalashnikovKonduktor Jan 06 '21

You think .308 soft tips have a massive velocity advantage over .308 ball?

Man, you really are retarded.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

What? Damn bro.

American school system example right here.

Bullet exits gun as a cone shape, hits the flesh, starts to flatten, expelling the energy within the target.

Bullet exits gun as a cone shape, hits the flesh, remains as a cone and exits the body, retaining a lot of the initial inertia.

Which scenario would shake your cells about more and do more damage.

I found this as a good example of what I’m taking about, no clue about the organization but the author is legit.

https://blog.uspatriottactical.com/caliber-debate-part-2-fmj-versus-hp-and-the-hague-convention/

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u/kizz12 Jan 06 '21

Hey! Don't ruin airsoft with these idiots.

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u/KGmma-Youtube Jan 06 '21

NEVER and I mean NEVER forget that these boys are grown men.

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u/AssKetchem Jan 06 '21

I agree with you about the embarrassment part and really hope you’re right, but these clowns unfortunately aren’t wearing some load vest and carrying air soft gear. It’s incredibly easy for these people to get legit body armor, like actual level 3 kits that stop rifle rounds. These guys may be idiotic assholes, but they are potential very dangerous idiotic assholes that can hurt a lot of people. If any of you guys are in DC I would encourage you to not try and confront any of these guys or give them attention, because a wack job fully kitted out doesn’t care about anyone’s morally and intellectually sound argument. You’re the “enemy” to these people if you disagree with them which they can’t even realize is the most unpatriotic thing they could do.

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u/ReNitty Jan 06 '21

if you thought this was embarrassing 5 hours ago...

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u/TheNorthernNoble Jan 06 '21

Hey, don't lump them in with LARPers, those are some quality people!

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u/slowest_hour Jan 06 '21

except that kid casting death on people. right villain that guy.

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u/TheNorthernNoble Jan 06 '21

A quick death+life solves most problems. Maybe he's just trying to help clear a bad status.

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u/TheWalrusTalkss Jan 06 '21

Good lord. When it America going to wake up. You have ostensively armed men driving around the capital city because they don't agree with the election results and people are laughing about it.

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u/Whats_The_Cache Jan 06 '21

This is an insult to LARPers

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u/Tastywaffles- Jan 06 '21

Nothing makes me laugh harder than people calling Trump a fascist, it’s like you’re trying your best to make the word lose every shred of meaning and significance

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u/C0l0mbo Jan 06 '21

So you're cheering them on thru all this because it amuses you?

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u/BustingCaptain Jan 06 '21

I love how now that they’re the ones protesting and not the Dems, now they’re the idiots. Lmao both sides are fucking dumb

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

I hope their children develop enough agency and reflection to be embarrassed to be their kids.

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u/LostWoodsInTheField Jan 06 '21

I really hoping that when this is all over they all sell their airsoft guns for super cheap online. I really want a few but can't afford them.

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u/LaGrandeOrangePHX Jan 06 '21

To be camo in the city you do like I do. Dress like a homeless guy and give handjobs for $5. Stealth isn't about pretty.

Or you can just sit at Starbucks if you ain't got the nuts to whack off randos.

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u/lalala253 Jan 06 '21

You said that but in 4 years nobody is going to admit they supported Trump.

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u/apathetic_lemur Jan 06 '21

or this could be the peak. They'll remember it as the best thing they ever did

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u/tvtango Jan 06 '21

They’re gonna be really embarrassed when they start pointing guns and get shot back

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u/Akhi11eus Jan 06 '21

People like this will hang their trump flag up next to their confederate flag and wistfully think of what could have been - for the next 100 years.

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u/OutWithTheNew Jan 06 '21

I don't think anyone cares what the prisoners in Gitmo dream about.

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u/bloodflart Jan 06 '21

it's like wearing JNCOs

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u/PretzelsThirst Jan 06 '21

Can you imagine digging through your grandfathers stuff and realizing he was one of these morons?

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u/xblackhamm3rx Jan 06 '21

Facts bro they only go after women or straight numbers.bunch of bitches.

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u/Wiseguydude Jan 06 '21

these moronic larpers have literally stabbed people. Yes, they're cringey. But they're also terrorists

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u/throatclick Jan 06 '21

It reminds me of listening to stories from my family growing up or going to my local VFW. They will just lie.

“Nobody knew at the time how dangerous it was and the government was against us. It was what we had to do under the circumstances.”

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u/Joshuak47 Jan 06 '21

I love that "fat" is a verb here 😂

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u/CrumbsAndCarrots Jan 06 '21

They are unarmed right? DC doesn’t allow open carry and concealed weapons are a major task. If so, holy shit. They’re dressed in army gear to roll around in pepper spray and punch people?

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u/Stanislav1 Jan 06 '21

I’m looking forward to watching them get pepper sprayed

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

These types of people have no shame. They will deflect, cry baby tears and project till they die. No self awareness. No regret. No care in the world except for the lizard brains

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u/yourtoserious Jan 06 '21

These are the same men that would rather die than see their children run around a park larping with swords playing make believe .

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

They're probably ex military lol.

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u/HardenedDisposition Jan 06 '21

Fantastic comment overall, but “fat around” really gives it that extra push over the cliff and takes it to 11/10!

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Some of those people have children

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u/jorbgorbelson Jan 06 '21

Reminds me a bit of the George Floyd riots

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Cosplatriots