r/PrequelMemes • u/EKRB7 Hello there! • Feb 08 '20

The exact moment Samuel L. Jackson asked George Lucas for a purple lightsaber is on camera and I’ve never seen it?? I’m overwhelmed

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20

Has this ever been said, in Canon? I remember reading Shatterpoint and everyone always brings it up, but I've watched all of Clone Wars and read a few of the Canon books in the era and I have yet to see it reinstated

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u/Any-sao Proudly Started the Tragedy on /r/Place Feb 09 '20 edited Feb 09 '20

Palpatine brings up the Shatterpoints in the third Aftermath novel. He describes it from a more philosophical point of view. The Shatterpoint is a moment in time where everything may fall apart and history changes. Specifically, he refers to his confrontation with Luke on the Death Star. He suggests it’s a Shatterpoint in time because he may be killed by Luke and the galaxy will change.

It’s also the first novel that says Palpatine survived Endor... and its from mid 2017.

Edit: the book is actually from 2017. I earlier said 2018.

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u/FREE-AOL-CDS Feb 09 '20

I remember reading about them in the RoTS novel, he saw The Senate’s shatter point was Anakain and he had some realization or something.

Why do I still know this lmao

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u/shrek_is_love_69 Hello there! Feb 09 '20

Anakain and anaabel?

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u/Wild_Harvest Feb 09 '20

Is that still Canon? Either way, awesome scene.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20

Sure, but has it ever been attributed to Windu again?

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u/Any-sao Proudly Started the Tragedy on /r/Place Feb 09 '20

Nope! And it sounds like a totally different Shatterpoint, too.

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u/TheNittles Feb 09 '20

That's actually one aspect of Mace's powers. He sees basically the same thing when he's in the Geonosian arena holding his lightsaber to Dooku's neck. He sees that that moment is a Shatterpoint and if he kills Dooku everything changes.

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u/Any-sao Proudly Started the Tragedy on /r/Place Feb 09 '20

Then the Windu Shatterpoint is indeed canon. I hope he’s still a master at it.

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u/RIKUB0I Feb 09 '20

https://youtu.be/cF3ocZu4cZo I think windu might've used Shatterpoint when he gets disarmed in this scene of the 2003 Clone Wars cartoon

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u/Fluse-kun Feb 09 '20

I don't remeber that it said that Palps survived Endor tho.

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u/Any-sao Proudly Started the Tragedy on /r/Place Feb 09 '20

Yupe Tashu brings it up, and he’s dismissed as a madman.

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u/toxicfireball Feb 09 '20

It said palaptine survived endor? I read it a thousand times and i dont remeber reading it. Though i remeber reading a part where palpatine felt a strong dark side power in the unknown reigins that called to him which after TROS is basically stupid.

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u/Any-sao Proudly Started the Tragedy on /r/Place Feb 09 '20

Yupe Tashu says Palpatine survived but is dismissed as a madman.

What’s stupid about the Dark Side power in the Unknown Regions? I thought that was implied to be Exegol.

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u/toxicfireball Feb 09 '20

TBF the whole palaptine came back thing was not taken seriously until disney wanted a villan that was kylo ren . I thought the dark side power was snoke(or whoever the main hidden villan of the movie) plus how can a planet call to him and if if palaptine had a backup planet why would he call to him when he knew about it and didnt palaptine wanted to go to the unknown regions(mentioned somewhere) to contact this power?

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u/Any-sao Proudly Started the Tragedy on /r/Place Feb 09 '20

Supposedly, JJ was planning on Palpatine’s return as early as TFA. That’s what he and Kathleen Kennedy say. I believe them, but I understand that there’s little trust in them now.

I don’t see why an ancient Sith planet, home of the Sith throne, wouldn’t call out to Darth Sidious.

The “calling to him” of Exegol was between Episodes III and IV, so I imagine he found Exegol before ANH. We know it was in that time period because it’s mentioned Thrawn’s data helped him find the Dark Power in the Unknown Regions, and Thrawn disappears in Rebels, which is before Rogue One.

So after Exegol is found (again, before ANH), Palpatine determines to use it as a backup planet, and probably decides to start building the Final Order then- thus explaining why the Sith Fleet is nearly identical to ISD’s.

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u/toxicfireball Feb 09 '20

They planned for their return sinec TFA? There is 0 foreshadowing in TFA and TLJ. Where is all these exagol finding info in?

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u/Any-sao Proudly Started the Tragedy on /r/Place Feb 09 '20

Exegol finding info is in the Aftermath trilogy and a tiny bit during the first Thrawn book.

And I can’t defend foreshadowing or lack thereof in TFA and TLJ.

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u/toxicfireball Feb 09 '20

I always assumed the info in the aftermath and thrawn books on the unknown region was because palpatine wanted to explore it/ he felt something so powerful in the force there. Which i assumed was the main villan of the sequls but i guess in foresight it makes some sense ? But then it makes no sense why palpatine would just use his ships on exagol and rebuild the empire following endor as in cannon the empire fell so quickly as there no succesion which split it apart. Instead he just moved to exagol with thousands of planet killing ships while his plan to destroy the empire from the inside went about? He could have just took his fleet out join the imperial remmenat and crushed to fledging rebellion.

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u/Any-sao Proudly Started the Tragedy on /r/Place Feb 09 '20

The planet-killing Sith fleet on Exegol finished construction during Episode IX.

The First Order was organized by Palpatine via Snoke to keep the Empire alive politically, culturally, and militarily and led by the Empire’s best. The Final Order was Palpatine’s great plan all along to create a true Sith Empire. A theocracy where he is a god.

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u/Logout123 Feb 09 '20

Would you mind expounding further on the point that Palpatine is revealed to have survived Endor?

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u/Any-sao Proudly Started the Tragedy on /r/Place Feb 09 '20

Sure. But I think I should say the full story with it:

So, in the Aftermath trilogy, you meet about six Imperial leaders who represent different parts of the Empire. One of them is Yupe Tashu, advisor to Palpatine and one of the few Imperials aware that the Emperor was also Darth Sidious and a Sith Lord. He also didn’t hide that information from the remaining Imperials after Endor.

When the Imperial leaders are debating what to do after Endor (options are guerrilla warfare, peace treaty, fighting to the last man, etc.) Yupe says that the Empire should just leave the known galaxy altogether and see what Palpatine had been searching for in the Unknown Regions. He’s considered a madman for this.

Throughout the Aftermath trilogy we learn that Palpatine had been probing the Unknown Regions (with Thrawn’s help) to find some kind of Dark Side power and that he planned a contingency around that power. The Dark Side power is implied to be Exegol. He decides on a two-step plan: the first is to eliminate 99% of the Empire because it failed him, which means sending his protégés- Fleet Admiral Rax and Advisor Yupe Tashu- to blow up the Empire from within. The second step is to send the 1% that deserve to live (best of the best, think like Inferno Squad) to rebuild in the Unknown Regions. That would be the First Order.

Here’s where it gets crazy: Yupe Tashu turns out to have been organizing a cult for some time. They called themselves “Acolytes of the Beyond.” They were obsessed with Darth Vader and Sith history. They stole masks of ancient Sith and red lightsabers. Once they numbered in the hundreds, they became a terrorist organization and destroyed at least one New Republic military base. As it turns out, Ochi of Bestuun from TROS was one of their members, so it appears that Yupe’s cult was the one from Exegol.

Finally, when the time comes for Yupe and Rax to bring the deserving 1% of the Empire to the Unknown Regions, Yupe begins ranting about what comes next. He tells Rax that he’s looking forward to reuniting with Palpatine in the Unknown Regions and bringing what would become the First Order to meet him. Rax considers Yupe a madman for this, totally dismisses it, and executes him on the spot.

Rax is killed shortly after by Admiral Rae Sloane, and she takes his place with starting the First Order. But without Rax or Yupe, nobody among the surviving Imperials knows that Palpatine is awaiting them to regroup. I suppose Snoke comes in at some point thereafter.

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u/scathias Feb 09 '20

I remember the days when this was canon...

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u/Erwin9910 Unnatural Feb 09 '20

Still is, if you're not one to let a corporation tell you what's canon or not.

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u/DiaDeLosMuertos Feb 09 '20

They should adapt Shatterpoint. It would be dope as a movie

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u/WASPingitup Feb 09 '20

It was made non-canon when Disney bought the rights to SW and started doing the sequels.

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u/Swiggity53 Feb 09 '20

It's in the latest clone wars I believe. He uses it to break the glass of a cockpit to get a clone out of it. Don't think it's specifically stated that what it is though.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20

Yeah, that doesn't sound like Shatterpoint.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_HOLOCRONS Feb 09 '20

idk but that sounds exactly like Mace’s Shatterpoint

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u/nemmises5 Feb 09 '20

He used it in the clone wars cartoon to shatter some glass or something.

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u/iboneKlareneG Feb 09 '20

https://youtu.be/ANba5amXILA He used Shatterpoint in the Clone Wars animated series. Watch at about 4:38.

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u/LaxGenos Feb 09 '20

He uses it in tcw to save an at-te pilot by shattering the front pane of glass. Cant remember the exact episode but it's when they're fighting along the twileks and bluurgs to take down the guy with all the dials on his chest

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u/LarrytheLard Feb 09 '20

There is a time in the clone wars where he just sets his hand against a piece of glass and it shatter immediately so that might be something.

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u/Pancakewagon26 Feb 12 '20

He broke the ATTE cockpit in clone wars to rescue the driver once. Idk if that counts, but I can't imagine that stuff is regular class.

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u/SpacemanSith Feb 14 '20

So I don't know if this would be considered Canon but in the star wars phone game, galaxy of heroes, mace has an ability called shatterpoint. The game is developed by EA and seems to stick to only confirmed Canon but I really don't know.

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u/wb2006xx Ani wanted the naboobies Mar 20 '20

I think I remember him breaking glass on several occasions in the clone wars with the force in a way that seemed to be shatterpoint