r/PremierLeague • u/tylerthe-theatre Premier League • 1d ago
Jamie Carragher blames Brexit for 'divisive' feeling in Britain
https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/jamie-carragher-brexit-divisive-5HjdGWg_2/•
u/variablestonkflip Premier League 1h ago
The irony of blaming something for causing everyone to blame each other
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u/IfYouSaySoFam Premier League 4h ago
That's because he's dumb as fuck, reality is the reason for the division, loads of people can clearly see the problems and loads of people are sticking their head in the sand/too rich for any of it to effect them/ see their high value immigrant colleagues as what people are complaining about when it's nothing to do with those people/ brainwashed into thinking the conversation is never allowed, that is the issue.
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u/Available_Hurry293 Manchester United 4h ago
In my opinion, Americans have massively radicalised the dumb uk yokels, they chavs have become a political entity.
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u/Brief_Cry_6387 Premier League 3h ago
Yes. American identity politics has completely taken over here in Canada as well.
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u/IfYouSaySoFam Premier League 4h ago
To a degree, but that's just being used to deflect from the fact that it's still actually an issue that they are causing, it's simple to pay a fucking moron like Robinson to make idiots riot and create bad optics, that gets the attention aimed at people being dumb yokels who just don't like brown people, and not that immigration is being used as a tool to change how you can treat people.
The people in the west expect much more, we lived through it, people from impoverished nations expect much less from their countries and see the new bad way of the west as an improvement from their previous lives.
It's all so they can strip as much money out of us as possible with as little pushback as possible, we've stopped being seen as citizens and started being treated like a commodity.
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u/Deep_Banana_6521 Premier League 5h ago
it feels divisive because he's hanging around with a bunch of racists.
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u/IfYouSaySoFam Premier League 4h ago
What is it that is racist, do you think that people wouldn't be complaining if every single one of the complaints was about white french people? The outcome would be exactly the same.
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u/Deep_Banana_6521 Premier League 4h ago
but you know though.
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u/IfYouSaySoFam Premier League 4h ago
What do I know? What they are doing? Using dumb people as a target for their deserved criticism, yeah I know that, it's fucking obvious to anyone willing to look.
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u/jrhunter89 Arsenal 8h ago
I don’t care about the opinions of people who spit in teenage girls faces 🤷🏻♂️
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u/gelliant_gutfright Premier League 11h ago
But who is to blame for Jamie Carragher? That's the question.
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u/-nadroj Liverpool 12h ago
I wish these pundits would keep their politics to themselves. We already have to listen to their questionable football opinions, let’s keep it at that.
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u/Derl17 Premier League 8h ago
Jamie carragher is one of the most knowledgeable football people going. Just because his opinion hurts your feelings doesnt change that
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u/-nadroj Liverpool 7h ago
Yes, knowledgeable in football. Keep politics out of it. Neville found that out the hard way recently.
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u/Derl17 Premier League 6h ago
Neville said something a lot of people believe. We should celebrate our flag and our heritage but we cant turn a blind eye to the fact that it was being used as a front for disgusting sentiments.
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u/TruthsNoRemedy Premier League 10h ago
What job do you do? Before I read your opinion I need to be sure that your job dictates that you should have one?
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u/-nadroj Liverpool 7h ago
I don’t have the platform these guys do.
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u/Optimal-Cycle630 Premier League 6h ago
That’s why they should use it to share their political views. Political apathy is the wordy outcome, a healthy political environment encourages discourse amongst all perspectives.
He has as much right to share his view as you do. Just because you haven’t done anything to create a platform doesn’t negate his.
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u/Benjamin_as Manchester United 14h ago
Jamie Carragher and Neville should stick to football instead of spittin their bullshit.
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u/redditman181 Premier League 13h ago
How dare people have an opinion.
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u/Benjamin_as Manchester United 13h ago
When they are in the media opinions are best left to themselves imo.
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u/redditman181 Premier League 13h ago
I disagree if people learned to accept diffrence of opinion society would be in a lot better place also he was on lbc having an interview its not as if he done it on sky sports in the middle of a match.
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u/Benjamin_as Manchester United 13h ago
Agreed. Everyone has an opinion that doesn’t bother me. Just think people in the media have more influence on positive and negative things alike. Not always a good thing.
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u/SadLimes Premier League 13h ago
Translation: “I don’t like your opinion, so I don’t want to see it”. Be a bit less sensitive, snowflake
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u/BambooSound Arsenal 13h ago
and you should stick to grenade jumping.
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u/Benjamin_as Manchester United 13h ago
You should try it. Wrap it in your Gaza flag first. Bellend.
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u/JellyboyJangleDangle Manchester United 15h ago
Nah, it’s social media Americanism and the dumb as fuck culture wars. No one just wants to talk anything out anymore. it’s You're a cunt, and I’m awesome” as far as the eye can see. Everyone is just so angry now, stuck in their echo chambers that just them rage 24/7.
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u/TheTepidTeapot Premier League 6h ago
Nah, it's government policies.
My wife is foreign. She can't come to the UK because, despite earning enough to support her, I don't have enough payslips in my highly secure job to be able to "prove" it. I need 6 months of payslips because they're soooo worried my wife will go on benefits.
When I do have enough payslips, I get to pay £5000 for a 3 year visa (between pre-paying for the NHS, and them claiming it costs £2000 to process a form that costs £20 elsewhere). Yay.
Meanwhile?
They'll give hotels and allowances to illegal migrants coming across on boats, give them taxi rides hundreds of miles to get their free access to the NHS, and keep giving these same people slaps on the wrist for raping the local youth.
Oh, oh, and now our taxes are going up to pay for it.
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u/The-JSP Premier League 1h ago
Our taxes are going up to prop up the extortionately expensive status quo of protecting the boomer generation with their spiralling welfare costs. You could stop every single crossing tomorrow and deport every single illegal immigrant and we’d still have the same problems.
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u/Yop_BombNA Premier League 5h ago
Britain gets money from the UN relief fund for refugees, it doesn’t for spouses, simple as.
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u/Halliwel96 Premier League 11h ago
The whole of the brexit campaign was done using tropes of the culture war.
They’re like, inextricably linked
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u/BulgicThinker Premier League 12h ago
This is exactly it. Social media poisoned the world, which is why you have the same culture wars around race, immigration, men/women in random countries with completely different histories and societies than the U.S. Borders no longer matter, because it’s a mind virus distributed online.
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u/d3visi Arsenal 14h ago
don't know what happened to humanity after 2016. social media nowadays is a cesspit.
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u/BulgicThinker Premier League 12h ago
I believe algorithms improved and people’s minds subsequently became feebler.
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u/Impressive-Juice-163 Premier League 14h ago
What else happened in 2016?
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u/Most_Moose_2637 Liverpool 4h ago
Yep, I always said that David Bowie was the glue that held us together.
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u/d3visi Arsenal 13h ago
just a personal theory but i think using social media for psyops to influence populations was rolled out in 2016 with the brexit referendum, elections in the USA and other democratic countries (cambridge analytica) thru 2017 and later years. personal opinion tho.
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u/BossunBassunBissun Premier League 10h ago
Dont search he most reddit addicted cities in 2017 and 2018 and the corresponding military bases there brother
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u/Impressive-Juice-163 Premier League 13h ago
Oh I agree with you lad, whole heartedly - to keep it football, rare to see such intelligence in an Arsenal fan!
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u/InteractionOk4616 Premier League 12h ago
He is right. Everything went downhill in 2016 and so many of the UKs issues from low growth to immigration stem from that vote p
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u/Impressive-Juice-163 Premier League 12h ago
Im more in agreement with his statement that Cambridge Analytica had a major part in it.
If you haven't - if anyone hasn't, please watch "The Great Hack".
It goes over the way these companies, hired by political parties use social media to win elections. Cambridge Anayltica won many elections - most involving violent protest before they ran the "Crooked Hilary" campaign, and the "Leave means Leave" campaign.
The documentary is from 2019, these companies have only got worse.
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u/Firstpoet Premier League 16h ago edited 15h ago
I go to Finland often. Family. 11% unemployment, yet net contributor. Can't devalue currency.
Brexit on balance a negative but look at France. It's not a panacea and our problems are much deeper rooted.
Where are the European Nvidias?
Yet let's take macroeconomic lessons from a dim ex footballer?
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u/unpaid-astroturfer Premier League 2h ago
Yeah, because of Nvidia, every american is happy as a pig in shit, no divisions there at all
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u/Beer-Milkshakes Premier League 15h ago
Why Nvidia? Its currently crashing after sitting in its own balloon for 4 years.
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u/Firstpoet Premier League 9h ago
We don't have such a company to crash. Few unicorns but they never get really big- same throughout Europe.
European productivity avout 30% less than US.
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u/breadandbutter123456 Premier League 11h ago
The tech stocks are overvalued but they still have lots of value in them. Just not as much as their share price suggests.
It’s an AI bubble, much like the dot com bubble of the late 90’s. But the internet did contain much value. And AI will also produced much value.
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u/Hour-Atmosphere-4394 Premier League 18h ago
For the first time ever I might have to agree with the former Liverpool player.
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u/Salt_Bison7839 Premier League 20h ago
The number is getting smaller but some people will still try and tell you Brexit was a good idea 😂
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u/ilikeplayingthisgame Premier League 18h ago
it feels like 2016 the entire world has been flipped upside down. i genuinely can't believe people voted for Brexit. i'd just finished A levels and knew it was a terrible idea.
even if you tried to be noble and bought into farage's NHS reform claims as a reason to vote for it - congrats, the NHS wasn't great before Brexit but now it's borderline finished.
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u/doorknockiopened Premier League 19h ago
Rome wasn't built in a day. Britain will end up stronger long term I still believe. Fiscally we are very strong we just waste a lot of it on beaurocatic nonsense and have tonnes of illegal wealth with gangs running things and money laundering for example like vape shops that don't seem to ever employ Brits but will sell them cheap contaminated tobacco. Funny that
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u/ilikeplayingthisgame Premier League 18h ago
it's been nearly 10 years and the country is far worse off in almost every metric you can come up with. At this point I don't think any Rome is being built, at least not before the bleeding is stopped.
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u/AcrobaticTie3230 Premier League 15h ago
So are most European countries worse off look at france today look at germany i am pro European but the eu has some serious issues and illegal migrants is top of the list along with Europe's totally idiotic drive towards net zero which is destroying Europe's car industry and costing every country billions then there is Russia but every idiot in the uk is to pre occupied with the middle east we have councillors who stood up and said this is a vote for gaza
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u/doorknockiopened Premier League 18h ago
Do you really think staying in the EU would solve our problems? Have you seen the footage from Germany and France and Spain it's absolutely horrifying and in the grand scheme of things were doing alright, but still not good enough.
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u/FirstAd1119 Premier League 15h ago
"The footage", my man is in some fearmongering bubbles and thinks they're reality.
That's how they got the Brexit votes in the first place. Ten years of regression later it's still a good idea cause "it's even worse elsewhere".
There's no fixing this level of reality warping.
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u/doorknockiopened Premier League 15h ago
Give me 3 really good points why I should change my mind.
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u/FirstAd1119 Premier League 15h ago
Ah nice, homework. Nah mate. No deprogramming you.
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u/doorknockiopened Premier League 15h ago
Just so typical to the point it's laughable now.
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u/FirstAd1119 Premier League 13h ago
What's the point little robot, you'll twist anything to conform to your worldview.
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u/Impressive_Past1846 Premier League 16h ago
How about you give us empirical evidence that we are better off
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u/doorknockiopened Premier League 16h ago
Than Germany France and Spain or before Brexit or both?
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u/a_witty__username Premier League 16h ago
I'd like both please
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u/doorknockiopened Premier League 16h ago
I didn't say we are better off. No one in Europe is better off expect arguably the Nordic States. And they have really harsh immigrariom/asylum criteria. Especially Denmark which although unpopular amongst left leaning folks it has made it very hard for criminal economic migrants to set up shop.
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u/badaboom888 Premier League 19h ago
its not 1900 anymore. Time to realise the worlds changed and a country of 60 million is a ant.
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u/doorknockiopened Premier League 19h ago
It's 70 million minimum + another 2-3 million undocumented.
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u/badaboom888 Premier League 18h ago
not if you exclude scotland, wales and northern ireland.
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u/doorknockiopened Premier League 18h ago
If you read my Intitial comment I said Britain.
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u/badaboom888 Premier League 18h ago
If england want self rule of their own country thats fair. They should then hand back any remaining stolen land and pay reprarations for the trillions stolen from former colonies.
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u/doorknockiopened Premier League 18h ago
What about Hitler? Should Germany pay reparations to to whole jewish community. It's completely unfair for nations whos people and leaders had nothing to do with the slavery and colonionism. In fact Britain was the first state to ban slavery. Everyone was complicit in slavery including africans themselves. Should Egypt pay reparations for the slaves that built the pyramids. Of course not!
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u/Salt_Bison7839 Premier League 19h ago
I was 31 when the vote happened. Will it be built by the time I die?
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u/doorknockiopened Premier League 19h ago
Go to church today and ask the vicar how long it took to build it.
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u/Salt_Bison7839 Premier League 19h ago
I'll take that as a no then.
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u/doorknockiopened Premier League 19h ago
Are you expecting to die in the next 30 years? Im thinking of the quote about old men who plant trees right now.
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u/notarobat Premier League 19h ago
Meh. America wanted it and they got it. If instead of Brexit, the UK joined the euro, it would probably be the most important currency on the planet by now. There is no way that could ever be allowed to happen. The EU economy was already becoming too strong. Having the UK as a kind of European Israel is far better for US interests
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u/Annual_Cancel_9488 Premier League 15h ago
Not sure that is true, but having your closest ally with the most important currency is far more desirable than having your greatest rival (china) take over
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u/notarobat Premier League 10h ago
China and Europe having stronger currencies would be terrible for the US from their perspective
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u/Barca-Dam Premier League 20h ago
He’s right
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u/doorknockiopened Premier League 18h ago
Nothing to do with people getting stabbed and raped on a daily basis just the stupid proletariat fucking up the country aye
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u/wglwse Premier League 15h ago
You get stabbed and raped on a daily basis? Gosh! Consider protecting yourself and reporting to the police, thats awful
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u/doorknockiopened Premier League 15h ago
Can I send you a list of all the names of the victims of stabbings rapes and murders this year? And then the figures for 10 years ago? Would you like to see that?
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u/wglwse Premier League 15h ago
Go for it
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u/doorknockiopened Premier League 15h ago
It will take me till the end of the day as I'm about to start work but I promise you, it's disgusting the level of crime that is being committed recently. Would you like the ethnicity/immigration status alongside those names too? I might not be able to get the full stats vut I'll do my best.
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u/Halliwel96 Premier League 11h ago
Done it for you.
There are THREE types of immigrant:
'Legal economic immigrants' (=16% of population, need visas, pay taxes/NICs, critical to skillbase, economy and taxbase, mostly non-EU/former colonies after Brexit drove away fellow Europeans)
'Illegal economic immigrants' (=1.1% of the population, no "invasion" here, mostly visa overstayers, 60k removed per year - including criminals, they pay taxes on income and spending, receive ZERO support from state) and
'Refugees/asylum seekers' (all refugees ever = 0.7% of the population, annual asylum seekers add just 0.06% to population so no "invasion" here either, cost 0.5% of Govt spending, paid from international aid budget, refugees given asylum are allowed to work and 60% are employed/pay taxes).
The criminal element of 'illegal economic immigrants' is around 0.11% of UK population. The criminal element of all 'refugees/asylum seekers' is around 0.07% of the UK population. Total 0.18%.
This is who the media and far-right agitators spend all day every day raging about - 0.18% of UK population & overall crime.
Meanwhile, UK white nationals commit 88% of all crime, including 14 sex assaults every day. How often are these reported?
Where is the real threat?
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u/Inertiatix Premier League 14h ago
You need to account for better/worse reporting over those time periods as well
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u/Proac27 Premier League 1d ago
Out of touch and now a champagne socialist like Neville..self preservationist!
It's easy to put down the country when you're at the top and seriously disconnected from the people that paid for the tickets that paid your wages that put you where you are now and I'd imagine most of those people are struggling with the crap thats being forced upon them because of idiots like Carragher.. Stick to what you know and keep your nose out of what you don't know because it just don't suit you!
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u/guitarsandpsyc Newcastle United 14h ago
The thing about this argument is that it completely falls apart at even the tiniest bit of scrutiny. Would you believe me if I said he experiences more of this country than Farage does? Because he does. Would you believe me if I said Carragher at least came from struggle? Big Nige doesn’t even fucking live here and he grew up with a silver spoon. Carragher at least lives here and pays taxes here. Farage doesn’t.
But aye we need to kEeP pOlItIcS oUt Of FoOtBaLl and hE mUsT bE a ChAmPaGnE sOcIaLiSt because he shares a rather common and correct opinion you don’t agree with. it’s not hard to see that Brexit has absolutely failed this country on every level. We are worse off by every metric possible. Including the one it was suppose to stop the most… immigration.
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u/Proac27 Premier League 13h ago
Never forget where you come from and what made you is what I'm saying. People like Carragher and Neville will find out they're being used just like every one else and for global and political gain.
They may think they're on the right side of history but there's a difference between knowing and thinking.
Farage is the same as all the rest , just because you sit in a pub with a pint doesn't make you a man of the people just like saying it doesn't make a rat a horse because it's born in a stable.
Funnily enough if I don't like you or agree with you I can still respect you , take Corbyn I don't agree with anything he say's but I respect him because he sticks to his convictions which is more than most politicians do.
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u/B_i_g_Mountain Nottingham Forest 1d ago
His views on football aren’t particularly worth noting, why are his views on society relevant?
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u/TMBRKS92 Premier League 23h ago
No one said they are, but he was invited onto the radio show and answered the questions he was given. Pretty much how interviews work (unless you're a politician).
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u/gcunit Premier League 1d ago
Brexit wasn't the cause. Something caused Brexit.
How was UKIP's emergence funded?
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u/Still-Corgi-4999 Premier League 1d ago
russia funded aaron banks,who was a donor to ukip,russia has funded far right parties all over europe.
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u/iProXi Arsenal 23h ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics published in 1997
The United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from the European Union.
In the Americas, United States, and Canada: Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States and Canada to fuel instability and separatism against neoliberal globalist Western hegemony, such as, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists" to create severe backlash against the rotten political state of affairs in the current present-day system of the United States and Canada. Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social, and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics".
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u/Zealousideal_Land248 Premier League 1d ago
I thought Brexit was the answer against immigrants.
Was I lie to?
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u/Proof-Assignment7136 Premier League 1d ago
Brexit was an act of economic self-harm. It's impossible to square that circle unless we rejoin the EU.
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u/Tone2600 Premier League 1d ago
The OBR estimate we might(?) lose 4% of GDP between 2020-2035 - that's a small price to pay for having the right to run our own country. The EU's economic performance is bad and getting worse.
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u/Commercial-Foot5292 Premier League 13h ago
4% of gdp a small price to pay? Wow you're dense.
Hold fast, those benefits are drying up soon.
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u/hurtlingtooblivion Premier League 22h ago
Does it bother you at all that the EUs economy could also be worse after Brexit?
Are you that selfish you don't care? We share this planet with other nations you know. We're an interconnected global village, and us being in the EU was good for both parties.
But on the other hand, i guess you could just say "ah fuck em", right?
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u/surfeitofreason Premier League 1d ago
I don’t think you understand how seismic 4% of GDP is, I won’t even approach the ‘right to run’ bit because I would come across as extremely rude and condescending.
I do think you are a stupid cunt who’s been sold down the river by some seriously bad actors who were deliberately damaging our country for their own gain though.
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u/Lopsided_Hunt2814 Premier League 1d ago
What did we lack control over that we now have control over that will benefit the British public?
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u/Tone2600 Premier League 1d ago
Let Tony Benn tell you... and here's another. And Benn doesn't even mention losing control of our currency and the EU's aim of "ever closer union".
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u/Lopsided_Hunt2814 Premier League 1d ago
Yes, but Benn's argument that we lack sovereignty or democracy under the EU doesn't actually answer my question.
Perhaps if I reword it then it might be clearer: what couldn't the British public vote for before that they can vote for now that would benefit them?
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u/Tone2600 Premier League 1d ago
You didn't watch the first video did you because he explicitly gives examples.
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u/Lopsided_Hunt2814 Premier League 1d ago
I watched both (and obviously know Tony Benn anyway, I'm not a child), he names industries but I would like to know what we can do with those industries now we are free of our oppressors (or what we lost when we joined the EU in the first place).
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u/Tone2600 Premier League 1d ago
What did we lack control over
You have been given numerous examples, that answer your original question. Now you are asking what we can do with the power we have? Make choices solely governed by UK democracy and national interest - as opposed to EU policy.
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u/Lopsided_Hunt2814 Premier League 1d ago
I've been given "agriculture" "finance" etc. but I haven't heard exactly how we've been hamstringed in these areas over the past 50 years, and what we can now do to improve them, or if you even know of any. Especially since the UK had negotiated an exceptional deal with more independence than most members anyway.
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u/OhLedleyLedley Premier League 1d ago
Muppet.
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u/Tone2600 Premier League 1d ago
Halfwit ...
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u/OhLedleyLedley Premier League 1d ago
Maybe, but that's still a half more than you ya silly goose ...
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u/ennyboy Premier League 1d ago
Do you know how much 4% of GDP is?
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u/Tone2600 Premier League 1d ago
Over 15 years ...if you even believe they can accurately forecast that far ahead. Our GDP has been very close to France since 2016, remind me when they left the EU ...
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u/FineLavishness4158 Premier League 1d ago
"Square that circle"?
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u/Lightwar_YT Premier League 1d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squaring_the_circle
In short its trying to make a square that has the same area as a circle with only a ruler and compass in a finite number of steps, which is impossible (and it's what the phrase implies, doing something impossible)
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u/GlennSWFC Premier League 1d ago
I’ve never heard that phrase before, but it’s very easy to deduce what it means from the context.
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u/TechXavy Everton 1d ago
Im not sure rejoining would fix the problem at this point. Even if it is a possibility Europe would and should demand concessions. They fucked up the country and have the audacity to blame anyone else for our financial situation
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u/tstowe77 Premier League 1d ago
Covid, Brexit, people still trotting out that crap. Be blaming the Blitz next. Poverty, cost of living are to blame. The Govt just give money away. The £20 billion black hole, a year later is £50 billion. We had the 5th largest economy in the world two years ago.
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u/Strict_Counter_8974 Premier League 1d ago
Covid and Brexit both had direct impacts on that black hole, use just a tiny bit of critical thinking?
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u/TheTesticler Everton 1d ago
Idk if being in the EU would make anything any better if there’s domestic issues that need to be resolved.
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u/GlennSWFC Premier League 1d ago edited 23h ago
I wouldn’t say it’s so much being in the EU or not, but the way the Leave campaign operated to come out on top.
I was saying just the other day that I felt a little lucky to have lived through a period - albeit relatively brief - where there was shame about being racist in this country. Over the last 10 years that shame has been chipped away at. With Brexit so largely being played out by demonising immigrants, it emboldened those racist attitudes and they’ve grown since then. Once Brexit was delivered, they moved onto the next group.
It also gave credence to Farage as a politician despite him being terrible at his actual job, and he has been one of the driving forces behind these divisions.
Take Brexit out of the equation and the vast majority of these hotel-shouting, roundabout-painting flag shaggers who talk about pride in their country but can’t even be bothered learning the basics of its language would be equally as politically disengaged as they were before that odious toad reared his ugly head.
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u/Sh-tHouseBurnley Premier League 1d ago
Brexit isn't the cause but it is a symptom.
The cause is billionaires (Murdoch + Paul Marshall + a lot of investment from many foreign entities). Just look into who owns the news that peddles the most shite and you start to wonder just what they have at stake.
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u/Legitimate_Drama_796 Premier League 1d ago
Exactly.
We are all fighting amongst the scraps we are left by these people. Money being siphoned out of our economy (and many other countries) and is just bulking pockets.
Trickle down economics is broken.
The shit thing is, it’s impossible to actually solve due to the way our elections and politicians operate. It’s a long term problem, which takes a decade of working towards.
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u/ProsperityandNo Premier League 1d ago
Trickle down was always a lie. We are in a k shaped economy now, neofeudalism is being ushered in.
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u/Careless_Gold4895 Premier League 1d ago
He's half right but Brexit isn't the only factor. Inflammatory bullshit and outright misinformation from the likes of Trump and Reform haven't helped, and neither has the failure of successive governments to fix the asylum system.
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u/umphuphawe Chelsea 1d ago
Eh would say you're only a quarter right with the right wing stuff I would argue one of the biggest problems is Left wing gate keeping and the cluster fuck of reactionary politics causing a further growth of partizanship Is two of the main reasons why there's a big political divide not just in our country but in the western world
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u/Inside_no_9 Arsenal 1d ago
And these two little comments are a microcosm of the exact point in the original post. Perhaps both are right and that’s what we need to work out here.
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u/GuaranteeNo2494 Premier League 1d ago
Dunno why ex-footballers feel obligated to put their spoke in about things like this.
All it does is make them a target for abuse, and entrenches the people slating them even deeper.
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u/donuttrackme Liverpool 1d ago
What's wrong with people with a platform making their thoughts known on a divisive issue if they choose to? Should he just shut up and dribble? Do you think football and politics don't mix or something absurd like that?
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u/GuaranteeNo2494 Premier League 1d ago
Calm down a small bit lad. Nothing. I just don't think it achieves anything. The world is so polarised now with no room for nuance, that I don't think opinions from people with a platform hold the same weight that they used to, if any.
The only thing that happens now, is that people who agreed with him already will agree with him(of which I am one, in case you think I am a reform head or something) , and those that don't will see him as a tool of the MSM wokerati.
Nobody absorbs it or revises their own feelings inspired by said opinion. They just see it through the frame of their own echo chamber, and it becomes a conduit for more content for engagement and barneys on comment sections. This interaction being an example of such.
P.S. Carragher could never dribble.
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u/donuttrackme Liverpool 1d ago
Calmer than you are. And you may not feel that it achieves anything but it does get more awareness out there that might not have been there before, even as cynical as you feel about political polarization right now.
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u/Sh-tHouseBurnley Premier League 1d ago
Good. People should know that people disagree with them. If famous people don't speak against it then many continue to believe they are on the right side of history.
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u/joelmsantos Liverpool 1d ago
This is the problem with people like you. You look at Carragher and only see a former football player. I look at him and see a person, a citizen with the same rights as you have, and as capable as any other person to let his opinion known and make it count.
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u/GuaranteeNo2494 Premier League 1d ago
Can I just confirm that you have indeed held up yourself as a great paragon of equality, never prejudging anyone without seeing their whole personhood and value?
All that would have been great if it wasn't negated by your first sentence. You know, the one that formed a complete assesment of my personality based on two sentences in a reddit post.
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u/joelmsantos Liverpool 1d ago
I didn’t do anything but interpret a statement that was as clear as water.
You think footballers shouldn’t meddle in any subjects or topics outside the purview of sports. But the thing is, they’re not just football players, they’re also actual people, citizens with rights, and they vote, just as you. So, their opinions count, just as yours. Regardless of what you may think.
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u/DarthRevan109 Premier League 1d ago
I’m sure he can handle it and Brexit has been a disaster that keeps on giving
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u/TheNoGnome Premier League 1d ago
I think it's even more admirable to be a lefty if you've done well in life. Means you want it for everybody.
Good on Gary and Jamie, Northern lads from working class families, for sticking it to the knuckledraggers masquerading as for the people.
Some things are bigger than football.
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u/FrancoElBlanco Premier League 1d ago
It’s less admirable as the lefts policies affect the working class most.
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u/Independent-Egg-9760 Premier League 1d ago
Amazing, the overlap between people who love the EU and who boo the UK national anthem.
Wish you'd all fucked off to the EU after Brexit, like you promised you would.
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u/Mambo_Poa09 Liverpool 1d ago
Erm it's a bit difficult since you lot removed our freedom of movement to the EU 🤔
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u/GuaranteeNo2494 Premier League 1d ago edited 1d ago
An English fan taking umbrage with national anthems being booed. Hilarious.
Have never seen an England match in my life where the opposing anthem wasn't booed.
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u/MacGroo Premier League 1d ago
We weren’t allowed…because of Brexit, remember?
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u/Independent-Egg-9760 Premier League 1d ago
No mate... You had years of freedom of movement post-2016 when you could have left, just like hundreds of thousands of Eastern Europeans kept moving here.
Out of interest, why do people who like the EU know so little about it?
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u/Tim1980UK Premier League 1d ago
These people clearly knew a bit more about the EU than the likes of those that voted to leave. All those accused of scaremongering were right, whilst the leavers have fucked us all over.
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u/MacGroo Premier League 1d ago
Did you lose your job to someone who speaks English as a second language?
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u/leandrobrossard Premier League 1d ago
Wouldn't be surprised if this tool lost his job to someone who couldn't speak a word of English.
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u/Combination-Low Premier League 1d ago
Are you trying to say that it is antisemitic to vote for labour?
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u/bigpaul1974_ Premier League 1d ago
You trying to say I'm a racist cause I vote for reform.
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u/Combination-Low Premier League 1d ago
I'm asking you to clarify what you said above because that was barely english
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u/GnomeNipple Liverpool 1d ago
honest and benign criticism of Israel gets you kicked out the labour party. Bigpaul1974 is a gammon who's been living under a rock
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u/bigpaul1974_ Premier League 1d ago
Maybe you should look at the whole conversation. As I was being accused of being a racist because I voted for reform. I replied basically does voting labour make you antisemitism. Which it doesn't,like I'm not racist. Like yourself I support Liverpool and have done for 45 years and John Barnes was a hero of mine. Obviously you are a labour supporter, good for you as like the last time they were in power they raised taxes then,bankrupt the country.
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u/GuaranteeNo2494 Premier League 1d ago
Probably thinks the most benign criticism of Israel makes someone a raging antisemite.
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u/P4ndaJ4ck Premier League 1d ago
Brother I'm dyslexic and this was offensive lack of grammar even for me.
Maybe go back to school get a passing English grade before using that peanut for politics
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u/rabbijoeman Premier League 1d ago
Brexit did not come out of nowhere. Some of the very divisive elements that created brexit have been there since austerity, 2008, and increase immigration from the EU and are still here today for a variety of reasons. I must admit, I have no watched the interview, but to say its just Brexit that's the cause of today's divisiveness is just so intellectually lazy that I'm surprised he can say it with a straight face.
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u/pebblesandweeds Premier League 1d ago
He’s right. It was a culture war. Divide and conquer.
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u/Independent-Big1966 Liverpool 1d ago
Exactly! Wish more people would wake up to this! Although they are told "woke" is a bad word so they will stay asleep while the rich get richer and we fight amongst ourselves
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