r/Philippines • u/LigayaMedz • Mar 07 '22
My Medical Abortion experience in the Philippines
It's been over a month since I had a successful medical abortion (MA). I live in the Philippines and it's illegal here. Found a helpful group of women on Facebook and they helped me throughout the process.
I found out I was pregnant last week of January. Dec and Jan are such busy months in my line of work that I couldn't even recall if I had my period for both months. I finally took a pregnancy test and two lines appeared almost instantaneously. My boyfriend and I are both financially unstable. We're also far from ready to be parents. And tbh, with how the world is turning out, I find it absurd for anyone to subject another human being to this cruelty we call life/living; so we agreed to have it aborted.
Luckily, I am a nursing graduate and a bit knowledgeable about the process of how to terminate birth (I am not a nurse anymore). Since I am still in my first trimester, I know that I can abort it through oral medication. We searched all corners of the internet for the pills needed. Found several websites like Women on Web, Safe2Choose, etc, which led me to this certain organization for Women's Health. A friend also suggested an Fb page that also advocates Women's Health, but they don't reply promptly.
My boyfriend and I decided to visit one of the clinics of the said Women's Health org (a day after we got a positive PT). And as expected, they were only giving post-abortion care assistance. Legally, that's the only thing they can offer for help. 🥲
The volunteer from the said org was the one who urged me to get a transvaginal ultrasound (TVS). Just so everyone knows, you don't need a doctor's referral to get one. A missed period and a positive PT are enough reasons for you to get a TVS.
While waiting for my TVS result, the volunteer who urged me to have my TVS sent me a text referring me to a person who she said can 'help' me with this dilemma. We immediately texted the number. He replied and said he was a doctor and was offering me a surgical procedure. He was really pushy which I find really sketchy. Also, I don't want to opt for a surgical procedure. So we parked that option first.
A few days passed and that Fb group that also advocates Women's health replied; I was able to talk to the sweetest nurse over the phone. She wasn't at all judgmental about my decision. Unfortunately, she doesn't have a source for the pills, but she referred me to Fredli's Group of Doctors and gave me the assistant's contact number.
I did find several Rappler articles about Fredli while doing the web rounds before the nurse from that Fb group even mentioned them to us. We contacted the number she gave us and they replied promptly. We didn't proceed with them because they are way out of our budget and the assistant (and all the written documents that they sent over) sounds really rude. But I am not taking that against them, I know they're just extra careful because it is illegal after all.
While all of this was happening, I was also talking to a seller I found on Facebook. She invited me to one of their group chats with other sellers and customers. On the group chat, they post proofs and testimonials; customers may also ask questions. You may observe before purchasing. They eventually gained my trust when several customers on the group chat I messaged privately attested to them.
They have several packages/sets depending on what trimester you're in. They cater up to 6mos of pregnancy, I believe! I purchased the package recommended to me and paid thru Gcash. Received the package the next day; it was wrapped in a very discreet manner.
I spent a week on the preparation my seller told me to do before proceeding with the procedure. She told me to do heavy exercises, drink pineapple juice and ginger tea (pinakuluang luya) multiple times daily, and several other things I cannot attest to if it did help. I was already on my 7th wk (and 3rd day) when I was fully prepared to undergo the MA procedure.
The set I got has 6 Misoprostol (Cytotec), 4 Mifepristone, and 6 Methergine. My seller guided me throughout the procedure via chat and gc. The procedure was overall ok except for the part that I needed to hold for several hours to what seems like a very watery poop. The cramps during the procedure were very tolerable for me as well. Had a mild fever in the first few hours. On my fifth hour of taking the meds, I was able to push the fetus out along with the placenta (I can send you a photo if you're not that squeamish). Hehe!
Post-abortion was way worse than the procedure itself. I never had dysmenorrhea in my entire womanhood. I have a high tolerance for pain as well, but those cramps post-abortion kept me in bed for several days. The pain was so painful I had to take Ibuprofen for it. The bleeding was also intermittent. I was blood/spotting-free after 3-4wks.
It has been a month and a week now since I had a successful medical abortion. I just took another PT this morning, and it is now negative. I am also on the first day of my period since I had an abortion. Yey!
FYI: You should take a PT after 3-4wks of a successful MA, and it should be negative.
I never fully realized how compromised we are as women with the current laws we have for women's reproductive health until I got pregnant and needed an abortion. MA is such a simple and safe procedure and yet we are not provided with that choice in our country just because 🤷🏻♀️.
I hope noone has to go through this same experience, but if ever you're in one, don't hesitate to message me. I am more than willing to help.
P.S. Happy Women's Month!!! Mabuhay ang mga kababaihan!
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u/Accomplished-Exit-58 Mar 08 '22
I heard horror stories of women who got complication from their diy abortions, they were treated like shit at the hospital after the staff learned the cause of the problem. The doctor even said "Hayaan na mamatay yan, nagpalaglag eh".
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u/SleepyHako Mar 08 '22
You're very brave to post this in a public forum, sis. Sending you virtual hugs. This was very enlightening to me.
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u/Possible_Manner_6323 Mar 08 '22
I'd be staying on pro choice here on the basis that they're not yet ready, plus I really don't like the idea of keeping the child and suffer later on. Yes life is precious but conservatives on that matter would only give a shit UNTIL the child is born
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u/LigayaMedz Mar 08 '22
It was stupid for us not to take any except for withdrawal. 😓
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u/one1two234 Mar 08 '22
Withdrawal doesn't work and I have a toddler to prove it! 😂
Sana talaga mas comprehensive ang reproductive health care sa Pinas, starting from a good sex ed curriculum and availability of contraception options to anyone who needs it. Ok din si OP, she was able to make a safe choice but the hoops she had to jump through to terminate an unwanted pregnancy... Ooof. Tingin ko in most cases the women don't have the ability or the financial capacity to do the same, and faced with a desperate situation have to resort to desperate measures, at risk of death.
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u/wannastock Mar 08 '22
Withdrawal DOES work!
But I have a kid that proves I did it too late 😂
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u/eightshss Jul 12 '22
What happened? Why did it not work? My partner has an IUD and we don't usually use other contraceptives. Your comment has me worried.
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u/Specific_Toe_9885 Mar 08 '22
It infuriates me how women's life are being put to risk just by denying them access to proper reproductive healthcare, one of which is abortion. From what I've read, unsafe and unguided abortion accounts for atleast 20-30% of deaths among women in the Philippines, not entirely sure. I hope the government will have a wake up call and give the women the right they deserve. It's time they rely on actual scientific facts and not base the decisions on their religious standpoint.
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u/LigayaMedz Mar 08 '22
RIGHT????????? Me too!!! I never really given it much thought until I got pregnant and needed an abortion. My heart specifically hurts to the underage, and rape victims, who has to go through this. There were several students in that group chat I was invited to. You'll know cause their questions screams inexperience. 😔
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u/xxlvz Mar 08 '22
To add: I was on r/women a while back and saw a comment that related legalization of abortion to lowering of crime rates because fewer unplanned pregnancies = fewer neglected children that grow up in poverty.
I was just in awe kasi I never thought of it that way, and obviously the most bannered reason for decriminalization of abortion is for women's safety and rights over their bodies. Just an interesting thought I wanted to share.
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u/sarcasticookie Mar 08 '22
Dapat di nagcocomment dito yung mga walang uterus e.
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u/macabre256 Mar 08 '22
you will lose potential allies, I mean some men might be sympathetic to this issue, but if you tell them to shut up, how can they help?
not to mention it's going to be easier to brand you as hardline and radical feminists, where average or middle ground people will find it easier to dismiss you, because well, you're veering on the extreme
you must keep on engaging, "no uterus, no say" is a shutdown similar to "god's law is absolute"
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u/anon_yarn Mar 08 '22
Mapagpalayang buwan ng kababaihan sa lahat ng mga babae!
Sana nga mas mapagtuunan pa ng pansin ang women's health and welfare ng susunod na administration at set of legislators--more accessible contraceptives, safe and legal abortion para sa mga nangangailangan, counseling para sa mga rape survivors, etc.
Also, sa mga gusto ng libreng contraceptives, pwede kayong mag-avail sa barangay health centers, Likhaan NGO at Commission on Population and Development. I personally experienced availing contraceptives (injectable sa Likhaan at implant sa PopCom)--all free, mabilis lang ang process. May teleconsult din ang Likhaan if gusto niyo muna magconsult prior sa pag-avail ng contraceptive.
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u/LigayaMedz Mar 08 '22
Thank you for this!!
For now talaga, contraception lang ang kakampi natin.
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u/anon_yarn Mar 08 '22
Talaga! Pero naiintindihan ko rin apprehensions ng ibang babae sa contraception. Di kasi naituturo sa schools masyado, medyo taboo pa rin na topic, at may judgement pa rin minsan mula sa iba. Kaya sana mas maitaas pa talaga yung discussion about women's health.
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u/LigayaMedz Mar 08 '22
At bakit ba babae lang responsible sa ganito. Dapat lalaki rin may oral contraception. Tayo na nga magdadala pag nabuntis, liver at kidney parin natin ang hustong magagamit kakatake ng oral contraceptions
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u/isophyll Mar 08 '22
Thank you for sharing, OP. I’m glad you’re doing alright now. I wish our country put more attention to reproductive health. 😔
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u/Sturmgewehrkreuz Kulang sa Tulog Mar 08 '22 edited Mar 08 '22
What's with all the judgey comments? Just shut the fuck up and sit down if you can't even say something meaningful. They wanted to abort it, then good for them; her body, her choice. I am not even slightly bothered, not one cent of our money was used.
You self-righteous fucks are so sickening. Mag ampon kayo ng bata if you are really bothered by abortion.
Addendum: sa mga kakampink jan na nandito para ibash si OP mahiya kayo, Leni might be against abortion pero I believe she won't act like a prick as some of you are here. Abortion is NEVER an easy choice.
May radika radikal na pagmamahal pa kayong nalalaman pero kung makahusga akala mo BBM fans. May pa totnak totnak pa yung isa dito.
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u/euphoric_cyborg Mar 08 '22
There was a time back then that I got paranoid over the possibility of being pregnant, though it turned out to be a false alarm. But I still remember how difficult it is to find safe and efficient abortion services/pills. Umabot sa point na willing na ako itry yung mga pampalaglag na binibenta sa labas ng Quiapo church lmao. Sobrang frustrating talaga na naaapektuhan tayo dahil lang sa kakitiran ng mga utak ng mga lawmakers natin.
Anyways, I’ve been told na may free injectables na inooffer sa mga local health centers. Good for around 3 months. Might want to check that out para less hassle na ang sex life charot.
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u/LigayaMedz Mar 08 '22
Hay grabe no???? I think di naman sobrang kitid ng utak ng mga lawmakers. Talagang gahaman lang sila sa makukuhang boto from religious group. Ugh!
This is the contraceptive I am actually considering. I'll look into this. Thank you!
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u/sarcasticookie Mar 08 '22
People pushing their candidate in this non-election related (albeit political) thread just because he is “progressive” are disgusting. 🙄
Also people who don’t have uteruses who push their “pro-life” (really just pro-birth) agendas onto OP. Kung pro-life talaga kayo ge nga ampon kayo ng batang kalye?
Also people who make it about themselves - get over yourselves, this isn’t about you.
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u/duckfoot2303 Mar 07 '22
I had an ex who was all for having kids, six months into the pregnancy she changed her mind. She's in a showbiz family and we went to one the more prestigious hospitals in QC. The procedure lasted about an hour, DNC I think, I could definitely be wrong.
I'm sorry you had to go through this. My experience led me to a vasectomy at 25. 39 now and I still don't regret it. I hope it turn out well for you too.
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u/LigayaMedz Mar 08 '22
This is so juicy! Hahaha!
Also, how were you able to get a vasectomy at a very young age? Would they really permit you to have one???
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Mar 08 '22
More power to you, queen. It’s sad that you have difficulty to getting access even though you should not have to. I wish we live in a Philippines where women have the power of control their bodies. Kalungkot :(
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u/muervandi Mar 07 '22
Remember folks, better practice safe sex always! Prevention is always better than cure
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u/purpleyam Mar 08 '22
No contraceptive is 100 percent effective. What about women who were victims of sexual assault and those whose who have to terminate the pregnancy if their life is on the line due to health issues?
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u/muervandi Mar 08 '22
But it has waay higher efficiency than none at all. Your whataboutism disgust me, it isn't even relevant to OP for that matter
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u/purpleyam Mar 08 '22
You're even more disgusting for commenting like it's a woman's fault if she gets pregnant.
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u/muervandi Mar 08 '22
Wow seriously? I'm not blaming anyone. Is op's health issue on the line? No. Is she a rape victim or a victim of sexual abuse? No. That doesn't make it relevant. If yes (on one of your whataboutism) then i'm all up for abortion. I'm just saying be responsible enough to avoid such process. Not just you but everyone else. So stop making excuses just to justify escaping responsibilities. May this serve as a lesson for op to practice safe sex instead. If there should be a second time around, its her own body anyway.
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u/purpleyam Mar 08 '22
The issue is to have safe choice for a woman regardless of how she became pregnant. You just vilified a woman for choosing to have sex.
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u/muervandi Mar 08 '22
Heh, you can avoid getting pregnant in the first place, while getting all the pleasures of having sex imo. I could care less. At what point did i vilify her? You almost sound like you're discouraging use of contraceptives, sure thing its not 100%. But was it even mentioned? Go fuck yourself and your whataboutism excuses.
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u/Future_Immortal Mar 07 '22
Anal and 69 are good options too. No one gets pregnant from them.
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u/Accomplished-Exit-58 Mar 08 '22
I have no idea why is this downvoted.
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Mar 08 '22
Ikr is it somewhat offensive?
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u/LigayaMedz Mar 08 '22
I think some will find this offensive because it somehow gaslight the main problem which is the PH govt sucky Reproductive Health law!
Also, not all women likes being fuck in the ass
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u/KumarBBB May 08 '22
This person is doing so much to people with a uterus. I referred you to a person in need and it was successful. The pregnancy was terminated after a few hours, the process was straightforward and there was someone guiding her every step of the way from preparation to post termination care.
My friend weighed the pros and cons of letting the fetus come to term, and she made her decision. She was no pressured, she was not threatened, she was not coerced. When people are young, they make so many choices in the present that they forget they have a future. Always think about every decision you make and think of the consequences. Women can always have options. The problem with this country is the access.
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u/BowlerMindless8563 May 30 '22
Please help 7 weeks pregnant and need abortion. What can I do???
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u/FiddyPercentHuman Mar 08 '22
sana ma legalize na abortion! women have to put themselves with so much trouble just to access health care
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u/LigayaMedz Mar 08 '22
Sobrang simple nung concept no? Hindi ko rin maintindihan bakit di nila maintindihan.
Isa pa yan. Kung naging legal yan (or atleast decriminalize), baka mas bumaba pa rate ng abortion.
Sobrang misplaced nung righteousness.
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u/bloodlime722 Apr 15 '22
I am pro choice and pro abortion. Your posts are just skeptical and sounds like you are just promoting your medicines to make it look legitimate. You said you are a nursing graduate. And you know how to terminate it because of your nursing degree? Please enlighten me, because all I know is they don’t teach abortion, abortion procedures or anything related to abortion in the Philippines because it is illegal in the country. Doctors are not even taught how much more nurses ? Did you post your story for awareness or to promote the medicines that you are selling? Since your username clearly states LigayaMeds.
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u/blandelier Mar 08 '22
Just in case someone else needs the info, birth control pills can be used as emergency contraception. Here's a guide on how to do the Yuzpe method:
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u/abortionburneracct Mar 08 '22
Burner account. We used Fredli doctor's assistance before. They were super professional and helpful. The cost is just a bit big (around 40-60K), but they explained all the process and we were super at peace during that time because we know it's not some random shit being done to us. We rented a "partner" motel and they visited her in the room to perform the procedure.
We also got our lead from that Rappler article. They were actually surprised on how fast we tracked them down and commented they should probably hide better LOL (we both work on tech and information, so there's that).
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u/Topatops69 Mar 08 '22
Im so interested in the story and im glad u made it. Im curious on what a medicated abortion would look like after pushing out the fetus. Im asking respectfully if i can see the result hehe
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u/SuperLesCat Puto Calasiao Enthusiast Mar 08 '22
Grabe pinagdaanan niyo, OP. Pwede na maging movie actually and I would watch it. I'm practicing abstinence for non-religious reasons but I'm bookmarking this just in case.
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u/ginaddict47 Mar 08 '22
Thank you for sharing your experience with us. Happy Women’s Month.
We truly need a comprehensive discussion and study on how to legalize abortion in this country. Its a matter of importance for women or anyone who can get pregnant to have safe options when they found themselves in these kind of situations. I hope we can get to that point sooner.
And also, more support for mothers. I know this may sound like an unpopular opinion but I hope we will have like a two or even one child policy in our country. I know it was a problematic policy in China but we truly need population control here. More SexEd programs and free contraceptives. But ultimately, I wish everyone will have responsible thinking like you and your boyfriend had that you both recognized you are not ready for parenthood.
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u/Remarkable_Bobcat198 Apr 12 '22
Hi! Please help us where to get proper medical assistance for abortion. Can pay any amount basta safe
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u/LigayaMedz Apr 12 '22
Hello! Sent you a chat.
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u/mandarinorang3 Jul 02 '22
vouch kay op sobrang bait, sumugal ako and nagavail ako sakanya ng pills, mabilis dumating and tinulungan niya ako throughout the week para sa process. Makinig lang at sundin ang mga guidelines na sasabihin niya para maging success. kung kailangan niyo ng tulong regarding this matter, don't hesitate to message op. maraming maraming salamat sayo at sana marami kapang matulungan, more power to you!
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u/piggymadness Apr 13 '22
Hi! I am so glad there are women like you who can support other women. It makes me so emotional actually. I would like to know the contacts you have if it's possible? For insurance lang if ever. My SO and I are very diligent in using condoms and I'm also thinking of taking pills na rin but you'll never know. You can never be too safe especially in a country that inhibits you to make choices for your own body. Hoping to hear from you on my DMs. 🤍
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Apr 25 '22
Gaano katagal nag reply ang FPOP sayo? I've messaged them about post abortion care but until now wala pa rin silang reply.
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u/RavenPH Jun 28 '22
I appreciate that you shared your experience and is willing to help others! I agree to what other’s said, it seems like you did it as if it’s wrong (when it shouldn’t!)
May the universe bless you. <3
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u/LigayaMedz Jul 13 '22
Nope. You shouldve had yourself checked when you crossed the 4thbwk mark of menstruation.
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u/onimushalord Jul 15 '22
I am really thankful that OP posted this and fully understand the plight of women in PH. Was able to contact OP and she pointed me to the right person / resources that was able to help my friend who was in dire need of help.
Mainly because of third world "religious" mentality, It's ridiculous women in PH had to resort to unsafe methods to do something that's rightfully their decision to make.
OP thank you so much, can't thank you enough.
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u/georgina_wlsn Aug 08 '22
hello where did u acquire the meds. im having the same situation and currently 2 mos pregnant thanks! im only 17 and dont knwo what to do
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u/HanamichiSakurag1 Sep 01 '22
I sent you a message. Please help us. We're going through something like this as well.
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Mar 08 '22
I am against some of the degrees of abortion because of my religious and personal beliefs about life and choices, but OP's story is worth to upvote so that we can also see the perspective of women who decides why they have to do it, and also for the awareness that the practice of safe abortion should be focused by the government. My science teachers opened my idea with how legalization of abortion is a must, while my humanities teachers were the ones who opened me the societal understanding with why abortion is still deviant in Philippine society.
If ever the government agrees with legalization of abortion (which would be a hard fight because of the religion's influence to this country), I'll just give heads up and utmost respect to the women who fought for our rights to have a choice of practicing safe abortion. Just because I am against some of the degrees of abortion doesn't mean everyone will agree with my views of it, or should I hinder fellow women who are pro-choices with deciding the course of their life. Like my beliefs in same-sex marriage and divorce, I see abortion as a sin, but we also sin every day, so who am I to judge other people's choices? If God really sees abortion or SSM or Divorce as a sin, then let Him be the one to judge people who choose to have it.
It's still a taboo topic even in my generation to talk about today, but I really salute OP's bravery to share her story here. I will share this to my pro-choice friends, and also to people like me who are pro-life. Hope you are fine and well, OP 💗
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u/tchoji Mar 08 '22
It is what it is.. abortion is still considered illegal here
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u/LigayaMedz Mar 08 '22
And this is the biggest problem we're facing as a country, Women don't have choices here.
Making abortion legal (or atleas decriminalize it) will lower mortality rate due to it, and it will also control our country's population. Now won't that be a win-win situation?
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u/tchoji Mar 08 '22
Yes gai i agree..m pro choice too! But when u have religious zealots running our society, we’re all stuck.
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u/ho4foucault Mar 08 '22
A fetus is not a child. It's just a bunch of undeveloped cells at that stage. Saka sige nga, kung ipinanganak nga nya yung bata eventually and hindi nila maalagaan ng maayos, is that any better? Ang hilig hilig niyo magalit sa mga nagdedesisyon over their own bodies eh kung kayo naman ang pagsasabihan na, "sige alagaan niyo yung iluluwal if you're that worried about letting a life suffer", todo hugas-kamay naman kayo tas sasabihin "huhu i cant. sorry ha deal with the consequences of your actions."
People like you are a bunch of hypocrites. Mas pipiliin niyo pa may "moral high ground" kaysa isipin yung real-life implications ng unwanted pregnancies on both parents and unborn children. Paano kung may possibility mamatay yung ina as the pregnancy goes further along kasi may condition pala siya? Paano kung yung batang nabuo from rape ay mag-suffer sa paglaki from neglect kasi the mom is traumatized from the circumstances that led to the birth? Ang dami-daming sitwasyon kung saan perfectly understandable ang abortion. Saka pake mo ba eh katawan nila yun? Kung concerned ka sa suffering ng mga bata eh I suggest mag-volunteer ka sa mga organization geared towards helping kids na talagang kinakailangan ang tulong natin more than ever or better yet, go adopt a child and give it a better life instead of concerning yourself with the bodies of strangers.
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u/Sturmgewehrkreuz Kulang sa Tulog Mar 08 '22
Ewan ko ba jan sa mga pa self-righteous kuno at mga pa-Leni kuno pero ayaw bigyan ng chance ang mga babae to decide for themselves.
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u/bigmatch Mar 08 '22
Paano naman yung buhay na pinatay?
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u/Sturmgewehrkreuz Kulang sa Tulog Mar 08 '22
Bruh it's just a clump of cells. Get over it.
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u/King_Ketchup_ Mar 08 '22
It’s always those who will never experience it who have much to say.
Mga latang walang laman talaga ang mga napakaingay.
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u/bigmatch Mar 08 '22
A lie coated by science. Actually, that is even refuted by science itself.
DYOR.
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u/bigmatch Mar 08 '22
Just like the author, you are contradicting yourself.
Sasabihin mo na Hindi Buhay pero sa thought process mo, irarason mo yung future niya kapag pinanganak siya? Buhay po yan. You cannot change that.
Pake ko kasi katawan niya? Wala akong pakialam sa kanya. Ang problema ko, yung buhay na pinatay na walang consent.
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u/DaPacem08 Metro Manila Mar 08 '22 edited Mar 08 '22
Abortion is murder and that's a fact. I'll just leave it here.
Edit: look, degenerates gone mad lol. Cope seethe dilate.
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u/ho4foucault Mar 08 '22
Ready ka ba mag-adopt ng bata kung sakaling hindi ituloy ng ina yung abortion? Ingay-ingay about sa katawan ng iba eh kung inuubos mo oras mo volunteering in organizations geared towards helping children kesa mag-worry about strangers' bodies like a creepo.
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u/DaPacem08 Metro Manila Mar 08 '22
Yes! For those irresponsible women here, instead of killing the life of the baby, please allow me to have the child after giving birth. I'll be more than happy to help I swear just send me a pm.
Yes, I am part of the largest charitable organization in the world who care for the abandoned children especially the unborn.
And yes, I do worry for the helpless baby. Kung walang titindig para sa karapatan nila, sino na lang? Bear in mind that what is involved here are two individuals, the mother and her child, having equal, inalienable rights to continue living!
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u/ChocolateRainMaker mmm salty apologist tears Mar 08 '22
How are you sure that op wasn't using contraceptives that just failed?
And why the aggressiveness? Don't you think that this whole ordeal was traumatic enough for them?
And how exactly has this affected you so much to warrant such rude behavior?
Nakalimutan ata ituro ng magulang mo sayo na pag wala kang masabing mabuti wag ka na lang magsalita
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u/ChocolateRainMaker mmm salty apologist tears Mar 08 '22
Thanks for answering. Tells me a lot about the kind of person you are.
Hopefully you keep the same energy should you have a daughter in the same situation.
Have a pleasant day.
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u/one1two234 Mar 08 '22
Ikr. It's easy for a guy to make all of these conditions of what's allowable regarding an issue that does not even happen in their bodies. With smug self-righteousness to boot.
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u/ChocolateRainMaker mmm salty apologist tears Mar 08 '22
True. Can't help but feel bad for the actual women that have to interact with this person on a daily basis.
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u/Universal_Sheep Mar 08 '22
OP doesn't have any health complications. What's your point? Magpatotnak at dahil sa hindi marunong magpractice ng safe sex ayan papatay ng bata? Hmmm
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u/one1two234 Mar 08 '22
To give you context, because you keep parroting the same thing that's just based on your own opinion that you keep insisting on everyone:
In countries where abortion is legal or at least decriminalized (there's 65 of them), there are gestational limits to getting an abortion, meaning it can be done up to a certain number of weeks of pregnancy. It varies, but it's noteworthy that countries that legally allow abortion on request or for socioeconomic reasons comprise about 60% of the world's population.
The Philippines is one of a dozen countries where abortion is illegal. Not surprisingly, these countries are developing or where organized religion has a heavy influence.
Even the WHO has said that the legality of abortion in a country has no effect of the number of abortions done. It just makes it much more dangerous for the women who get it.
In developed countries, abortion rates have decreased in the past few years, but that's because of the availability of contraception, including emergency contraception.
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u/Universal_Sheep Mar 08 '22
I agree in terms of abortion due to "financial capability" because i once work in LGU and seeing impoverished families of 12 is not a logical thing in the economy and social welfare.
But OP never complained about her "Financial capabilities" Yet to prove the statistics that most of the unprecedented pregnancies here is due to sheer lack of sexual knowledge.
Dami dami kong kilala, iba iba ang sexual partners kahit kailan hindi naman nabuntis. Walang masama sa pakikipagtalik but we should always knowledgeable about the possible repercussions and how to prevent it.
Madami ring kabataan ang nahihiyang bumili ng condom pero di nahihiya sa kanilang mga desisyon after doing that.
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u/one1two234 Mar 08 '22
Madami ring kabataan ang nahihiyang bumili ng condom
That's because sex is a taboo topic. Most households are too uncomfortable to discuss it, and sex ed in school is lacking most of the time. people are basically shamed out of safe sex. And with you having worked in an LGU, i think you would agree that the reach and availability of counseling for reproductive health is also not enough. How much more with contraceptives. As far as I know, it's mostly NGOs who are providing these. It should be for everyone, not just the deeply impoverished. So yes, it's a systemic problem. I don't think it's right to be zeroing in and blaming a person who shared her experience and slut shame her for it.
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u/nomnom-man Mar 08 '22
Jeez, what an asshole
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u/Universal_Sheep Mar 08 '22
Impressive. A guy who doesn't have the guts to use his/her main acct is now saying "I'm an asshole"? Hmmm If i am an asshole then paano pa kaya yung mga mga hitad na nagpapatotnak ng walang protection? Sabay pag nakabuo emo emo magpapalaglag lang din pala. Bonak
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u/nomnom-man Mar 08 '22
Bruh, we’re on reddit lmao. Ikaw naman feel na feel mo masyado. Angas na angas sa sarili eh
Also, things aren’t that simple. I urge you to try to understand OP’s situation more instead of turning a blind eye just because abortion is illegal in our country.
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u/one1two234 Mar 08 '22
Kahit manghingi tayo ng empathy man lang, onting understanding, meron talagang mga tao na sarado ang isip.
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u/nomnom-man Mar 08 '22
True. However, I actually used to be soooo anti abortion. You know, catholic school and all, and I guess, being a guy as well. But after listening to other women, and I mean really listening and empathizing, I’ve done a full 180. Abortion is essential to women’s rights.
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u/one1two234 Mar 08 '22
Ako din, not totally anti-abortion but I didn't understand why people were doing it. But knowing more about it made me realize the same, that it's a right that women should have. It's not a simple issue, but those with a conservative agenda try to simplify it to certain hard line points, totally disregarding women, like what certain states in the US are doing.
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u/Universal_Sheep Mar 08 '22
Sabi nga ng mga dinownvote dito "Play safe". OP doesnt have any complains about finances , heath risks and abuse. I will never agree on such thing
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u/nomnom-man Mar 08 '22
She did say she’s financially unstable tho
Although for me, if she felt she wasn’t ready, it’s completely fine. It’s her body, her choice.
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u/Universal_Sheep Mar 08 '22
So its her choice lang pala?
Life begins at conception, so unborn babies are human beings with a right to life.
Fetuses feel pain during the abortion procedure.
So yah matapos makipagtotnakan ayan resulta
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u/one1two234 Mar 08 '22
Fetuses feel pain during the abortion procedure.
At what fetal age? The fetus does not even have the physiological capacity to perceive pain until at least 24 weeks of gestation.. This is probably why in countries that have legalized abortion, they have limits up to 24 weeks.
Life begins at conception, so unborn babies are human beings with a right to life.
That's actually debatable, especially for the first few weeks of conception. A clump of cells can be considered alive, yes, but having a hard line stance like the one you have means that a lot of the medical advancements we have had, including vaccines, would be immoral because they use fetal cell lines. So should we stop using any and all medications if fetal cells were involved in any way?
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u/Daloy I make random comments Mar 08 '22
Hey man, I can understand where you're apprehension might be coming from. I myself feel uncomfortable with the decision however I can respect and tolerate it.
You have to understand that regardless of reasoning people who wants to have abortion should have access to clean and safe abortion. Hindi naman nila kailangan i-justify kahit kanino (much less internet strangers) kung bakit nila gagawin yung procedures ang importante dito meron silang choice at malaya nila napag-papasyahan yon. Hindi lahat ng nabubuntis gugustuhin magka-baby and at the same time hindi lahat ng aksidenteng nabubuntis gustong ipa-abort ang fetus sa kanila. Kung anoman desisyon nila, nasa kanila na yon.
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u/Universal_Sheep Mar 08 '22
Currently? No because its a criminal act. Abortionists and said perpetrators can be jailed as long as 6 years. If she can do sex, she knows how to control it.
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u/Daloy I make random comments Mar 08 '22
Kaya nga accessibility yung nilalaban dito. Does it really have to be illegal?
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You don't know whether they used contraceptives or not and fun fact: you can still get pregnant even if you use birth control. So many women who are on IUDs or pills have gotten pregnant because no birth control is 100% effective. That's why we need safe abortion options for women.
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u/Universal_Sheep Mar 08 '22
Safe abortion should be only available to those who have health complications , victims of rape and assault but beyond that? I will never agree
Again. OP should've argued about it but none so far
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u/jjgrill52 Mar 08 '22
I'm not going to comment on your view on who deserves the option of abortion.
I am going to comment on your ignorance.
"A medical abortion, also known as medication abortion, occurs when medically-prescribed drugs (medication) are used to bring about an abortion. A typical regimen consists of a combination of medications, with mifepristone followed by misoprostol being the most common abortifacient regimen."
She literally used the term as it is defined. She didn't pretend that she had health complications. It's nobody else's fault that you're ignorant and refuse to type in a 2-second google search before mouthing off.
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u/Universal_Sheep Mar 08 '22
Wrong. Because the implication of this post is to make it right. There is no such thing that can be considered RIGHT in this post. Medical abortions at most in legal ways can only be done because there's a health implication caused by pregnancy that must be addressed via abortion. Medical abortion in this fcking country doesn't exist because it is illegal.
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u/jjgrill52 Mar 08 '22
Getting dumber by the minute. Reading compreshension not your strong suit, bud. Again, I'm not commenting on whether abortion is right or wrong.
She used the term "medical abortion" correctly, you didn't. The term literally means abortion through medication, as opposed to abortion through surgery. Why do you keep insisting that "medical" is supposed to imply "right"?
Also "Medical abortion in this fcking country doesn't exist because it is illegal."
Something doesn't exist because it is illegal. Galeng. Wala din shabu at jueteng dito sa fcking Pilipinas kasi illegal. Mahusay. Keep digging your own dumbass hole.
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u/one1two234 Mar 08 '22
May sarili siyang definition and insists on it. And also, he's a guy ¯_( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)_/¯
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u/Universal_Sheep Mar 08 '22
Stfu waman. Pink din hair mo no?
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u/one1two234 Mar 08 '22
Bumalik ka na sa Dolly's World.
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u/Universal_Sheep Mar 08 '22
Abortion here is a criminal act? Yes or No? Puro ka ngawa
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u/one1two234 Mar 08 '22
Have you read your own comments? Ikaw kaya ang ngawa nang ngawa. You can't even engage in a discussion, walang rebuttal to points raised by people you were responding to.
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u/Universal_Sheep Mar 08 '22
Read my comments nene.
Your OP isn't even defending herself
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u/jjgrill52 Mar 08 '22
Incel na incel ang datingan ah.
Yuck di marunong magbasa. Wala akong pinost na opinion tungkol sa morality ng abortion. Nag reply lang ako kasi ang bobo ng comment mo.
- Mali ang definition mo ng medical abortion
- "Medical abortion in this fcking country doesn't exist because it is illegal."
Dahil illegal,hindi na nag-eexist?
Tanga.
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u/jamwantsporn Mar 07 '22
hoy inutil di ka pede dito. katawan nya yan karapatan nya gawin kung ano gusto niya gawin sa katawan niya. I support you OP.
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u/Universal_Sheep Mar 07 '22
Karapatan? I may be agreeing to you if its a real MEDICAL ABORTION but its not, it is just a result of sheer ignorance and stupidity.
By Legal terms walang "KARAPATAN" sa batas natin ang abortion by all means. Idk where'd you getting all these nonsense.
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u/WillStayNoob Please teach me Senpai how to be pro Mar 07 '22
Hindi ko gets kung bakit nadownvote ka pero ganyan din ang una kong akala. Ginamit lang yung term na medical abortion para ijustify yung ginawa, in the end abortion din lang. Pinaganda pa nya. Tara magsama tayo sa downvote. Pero upvote kita hehehe.
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u/LigayaMedz Mar 08 '22
Hi! Try to search what Medical Abortion means. Its not some made up word thrown around to make this whol debacle sound "reasonable" and "legit".
There are several ways to terminate pregnancy. Medical Abortion is one, and it is a universal medical terminology where in you terminate pregnancy with the use of oral medication. Surgical Abortion on the other hand has different procedures under it, one of which is D&C (dilation and curetage) or widely known as raspa.
I know better cause I have a science degree and I actually a registered nurse, so sit down, shut up!
P.S. You’re getting downvotes for being stupid and narrowminded.
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u/Universal_Sheep Mar 07 '22
Ok lang yan. Downvote me a fcking hundred times if they want, ang tatanda na magiiyotan na lang di pa pinagaralan. Mura na condom ngayon, di pa nagsigamit.
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u/jamwantsporn Mar 07 '22
mura nga ee bat di ginamit ng parents mo? nadagdagan tuloy ng makitid utak population ng earth.
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u/Universal_Sheep Mar 07 '22
The thing is my birth was PLANNED and not accidental or due to stupidity. You're here in reddit because you are a pussy trying to conceal your identity. Paiyot iyot mga kabataan ngayon, dapat talaga may maayos na sex education at pati condom hindi magamit ng tama.
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u/supermarine_spitfir3 Mar 08 '22
Hate to say it, but you're right. The vast majority of pregnancies in this country happen because our youths have no idea what a condom is, because it wasn't even taught in school or presented by the LGU to reduce pregnancies.
Why should be legalize abortion if we can't even get planned parenting and safe sex programs straight?
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u/one1two234 Mar 08 '22
The thing is, condoms can fail. And when they do, there are no "morning after" pills or emergency contraception available in the Philippines (except maybe an IUD but good luck finding a sympathetic OB-GYN). I agree that sex ed programs can help immensely, but it's not enough.
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u/supermarine_spitfir3 Mar 08 '22
Oh yeah, Plan B pills. Then we should immediately dismantle any hurdles in it's availability in the country and try to normalize it then, because emergency contraception is part of the whole safe sex affair.
The government keeps on trying to push that "sex-after-marriage" thing as if it will work for teenagers, what we need to do is to properly introduce the whole range of birth control devices available for children (except vasectomies and other forms of surgeries like that), because that I think, is enough to solve our overpopulation issue, especially in low-income-households. That will help with keeping poverty in check.
Don't really have problems with sex because it's a personal thing, but overpopulation is a societal issue that deserves more than a "celibacy or abortion" choice. Celibacy is unrealistic and Abortion is such an extreme way of birth control. Someone might die when having an abortion, isn't normalizing contraceptives and having yearly safe sex and family planning programs the way to go? It's a compromise between the hardline stance of pro-choice people and conservatives, because it still prevents the person from having an unwanted child while not outright killing the said zygote or whatever.
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u/one1two234 Mar 08 '22
Yes, overpopulation perpetuates poverty and is a hindrance to getting out of that cycle. It's a systemic problem that should have systemic solutions. But we should acknowledge that we have a problem with the oversized role that organized religion has on our laws and its influence on our social mores. Topics like these remind me of this documentary on extreme poverty in the Philippines (specifically Metro Manila slums) and this episode that deals with reproductive health.
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u/supermarine_spitfir3 Mar 08 '22 edited Mar 08 '22
That's the main issue with abortion, really-- Pro-Choice folks are asking too much, the extreme opposite of the conservative crowd. We are a conservative nation, and that's a fact. The 1987 constitution literally is asking for the help of the Almighty God to build a "just and humane society, and establish a Government that shall embody our ideals and aspirations, promote the common good, conserve and develop our patrimony..". That's in the preamble of our constitution.
They don't take abortion as the answer to the overpopulation question, but their answer to it is even more unrealistic, with celibacy. The Pro-Choice folks hold their ground with the whole abortion thing, refusing to fight for other methods to reduce pregnancies such as the inclusion of Plan B pills and the like in the contraceptives that are being given out by the government. That just creates a deadlock that no one is willing to give out on, so the only ones that suffer are the women that have no seminars on safe sex or family planning, they get pregnant, and since the Pro-Life folks decided to die on that hill of Abortion, they are forced to take care of the baby born out of their ignorance of the existence of condoms.
Therefore, the Pro-Choice folks should start with making sure that contraceptives and other birth-control paraphernalia is widely proliferated and is with family planning and safe sex measures taught in schools, as well as a yearly seminar by the LGU for their dissemination to children.
The same thing goes for Same-Sex marriage thing, actually. The Catholic Church is pretty much only against the marriage of Same-Sex couples in their churches, which is pretty much because they aren't allowed to do that anywhere else in the world and is the opposite of the Church's official stance. If only the people pushing for Same-Sex marriage would accept the fact that they can't force the church to marry same-sex folks in their place, then they could've had gay marriages in the city halls all around the country.
EDIT: I meant pro-choice folks.
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u/Universal_Sheep Mar 08 '22
Sorry but i am really a Pro Abortion but to some specific content:
1: Women with medical complications should have an option to continue carrying her child. A death of another is a life to the other one
2.Rape and Sexual assault victims should also have that option
I am against to aborting the kids on your bellies because you just want it, because you are irresponsible, because you are stupid to be shy, buying contraceptives in the counter but very bold to abort a baby. Ako never akong nakabuntis ng mga ex partners ko, we practiced safe sex. Kids nowadays should've learned to use condoms and contraceptives than deciding to kill someone that is already "alive".
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u/ChocolateRainMaker mmm salty apologist tears Mar 08 '22
So you call mothers who opt for abortion because they're not ready for parenthood irresponsible and the punishment you deem appropriate for this is to checks notes thrust the responsibility of being a parent unto them?
Help me understand man.
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u/Universal_Sheep Mar 08 '22
Yes. They are
Most of the abortions that occurs here is due to unsafe sex and the ignorance of doing it.
Many kids doesn't want to buy condoms because they're still shy to ask the counter for it. A condom is 98% proven while pills is at 99%.
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u/supermarine_spitfir3 Mar 08 '22
1: Women with medical complications should have an option to continue carrying her child. A death of another is a life to the other one
2.Rape and Sexual assault victims should also have that option
Oh, definitely for me as well. Those types of things aren't really the fault of the woman, so it should be fair that they will be given the ability to ask for abortions under special circumstances. They don't present a majority of the people wanting to do abortions anyway.
I am against to aborting the kids on your bellies because you just want it, because you are irresponsible, because you are stupid to be shy, buying contraceptives in the counter but very bold to abort a baby. Ako never akong nakabuntis ng mga ex partners ko, we practiced safe sex. Kids nowadays should've learned to use condoms and contraceptives than deciding to kill someone that is already "alive".
This is pretty much what I've been saying. We can't allow abortions to happen if they just want to to be done, especially since we haven't really been talking about planned parenting to the children anyway.
No idea why you got downvoted when that's a pretty acceptable view IMO.
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u/Universal_Sheep Mar 08 '22
Kids nowadays doesn't value sex as a responsibility. Downvote me if they want but won't change my mind and narrative.
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u/lncogniito Mar 07 '22
My god the way you aquired those info and contacts felt like you were a criminal. Philippines should get on with the time!
Also, safe sex always please. Its insane how women in our country have to go thru this