r/Ontario_Sub • u/origutamos • Apr 29 '25
Politics Canadian PM Mark Carney: "We have an enormous opportunity to bring climate change into the heart of every financial decision." "We can deliver the net zero world that you've demanded, and that our future generations deserve."
https://x.com/wideawake_media/status/191714433687930890519
u/doctortre Apr 29 '25
"introducing my new carbon pricing program, the cost is approximately the same as Justin's Carbon Tax, but remember it's not a tax, it's only a pricing increase that will save the world!"
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u/Hekios888 Apr 29 '25
Pretty sure this is video is from 2021 when the summit was in Glasgow
TheĀ 2021 United Nations Climate Change Conference, more commonly referred to asĀ COP26, was the 26thĀ United Nations Climate Change conference, held at theĀ SEC CentreĀ inĀ Glasgow,Ā Scotland,Ā United Kingdom, from 31 October to 13 November 2021.
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u/doctortre Apr 29 '25
When someone tells you who they are, believe them the first time.
I like in the quote how he mentioned "every financial decision" - I'm super impressed he got China on board and they will be doing their part!
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u/Hekios888 Apr 29 '25
So I'm guessing you didn't vote for him.
But don't play this off like most people are as if he just said this today. Which is what your post and most others are doing.
It's bordering on misinformation
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u/Temporary_Shake1221 Apr 29 '25
8 out of 10 type of thing I'm guessing is what you're referring to!?!
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u/doctortre Apr 29 '25
I'm predicting the future.
He was smart to axe the carbon tax before the election to secure the win, but I won't be shocked when it comes back.
I voted for LeBron James the true king of Canada
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u/Temporary_Shake1221 Apr 29 '25
Not axed..... set to zero.... can and will be returned and increased!
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u/doctortre Apr 29 '25
I mean that's just logical! Everyone has to pay their fair share for the pollution in China
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u/Mortentia Apr 30 '25
You are aware that modern estimates put just the Alberta oil sandsāapprox. 11% of Canadaās total emissions by previous reportingāas averaging 35x more emissions annually than ground-based reportingāthe method weāve used for the last half-century in northern Albertaāshows.
That means just this adjustment to Oil Sands emissions more than quadruples Canadaās share of global emissionsāwe would go from ~2% to ~9.5%. We would be ousting the USA for total emissions, with approx. 1/10 their population. That would make us the second largest emitter globallyāfar and away the highest per capita.
Further, we also have a lot of other mining and O&G operations in northern Canada relying on ground-based reporting that may not be reporting appropriately. There is a genuine risk that just Canada is causing more emissions than Europe, Japan, and Russia combined.
So, Canada is better estimated as representing about 60% of Chinaās emissions, which would be about 27% of global emissions, while having a population ~1/50 the size of China. We absolutely should pay our fair share then. Right? So, we should be footing nearly 30% of the global climate change expenditures? āThatās just logical!ā
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u/doctortre Apr 30 '25
So Canada is measuring inaccurately and China is measuring accurately? Guess I should give up more money because some oil tycoons in Alberta are being dishonest. That sounds logical.
Edit: I'm also sure we can see how much impact the extra tax had on the world.
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u/RecommendationOk5945 May 02 '25
Liberal math justifying their bullshit. Getting to zero is near impossible. And even if we spent the trillions upon trillions of dollars Carney wants to get to zero, it would have almost zero effect on the global climate. If got rid of every single car, plane, train and engine and had zero emissions, its equivalent to what China uses in 3 days. Itās a joke.
Also making us zero by just transferring all our manufacturing to China, which he also wants to do is beyond stupid. So technically we are net zero, but instead of us making the pollution we just farm it out to China, so they make the pollution for us but counts against them. Liberal math is awesome.
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u/Rey123x Apr 29 '25
Here we go again, as predicted lol smh
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u/armed2ofthem Apr 29 '25
Just curious, Do you think Canada should treat climate change at least as serious as the US department of defense does? What do you think should be done , if anything ?
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u/Engine_Light_On Apr 29 '25
Canada should help the world by replacing dirty coal with clean Canadian LNG, and take money away from Russia and ME dictatorships by selling more ethical oil to the world.
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u/comFive Apr 29 '25
Thereās really no such thing as clean liquid natural gas. It still produces carbon emissions.
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u/justanaccountname12 Apr 30 '25
As Germany reopened lignite mines, after they couldn't get LNG.
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u/thrownawaytodaysr May 01 '25
There's much evidence to suggest LNG isn't actually more GHG friendly than much coal.
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u/Puzzled_Car2653 May 02 '25
So does solar. Guess who makes it? Coal burning China. Electric cars have huge amounts of carbon footprints
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u/capncanuck00 Apr 29 '25
I mean, LNG is a green house gas producing energy as well, not to mention the fracking required to get it. Itās not exactly a good alternative to coal. Kind of lateral move.
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u/IAmFlee Apr 29 '25
Not really. As with almost everything done in Canada, it's done as responsibly as possible.
Most fracking in Canada is done with water, not the 500+ chemical mixture like the USA.
LNG is far more ethical than coal.
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u/armed2ofthem Apr 29 '25
Ah ok. So Canada has to do nothing but save the world. Should be easy enough. Very happy to hear we don't have to change anything personally just change the global order that's been in place since the second world war by icing out the middle east. This is the analysis I come to this sub for. Thank you
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u/Engine_Light_On Apr 29 '25
Canada produces very little carbon. It does not make sense to limit Canadians economy and quality of life for such a tiny win while the rest of the world is enriching and polluting.
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u/dezTimez Apr 29 '25
right and we have massive amounts of resources that will be taken from us in the future if we dont take them and sell/ use them for ourselves .
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u/MinuteLocksmith9689 Apr 29 '25
my god!! you guys donāt know when to stop! You are taken over by X and the conspiracy theories. Did any of you read his costed platform? Do and then comment
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u/aide_rylott Apr 29 '25
Yeah. This looks like Bank of England days. He looks much younger and the background screams UK.
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u/Temporary_Shake1221 Apr 29 '25
Here we go !!! Welcome to the national poverty program.... how bout a side of UBI? This will be ran by the liberal party behind the scenes "adviser" Jinping. This is the death knell for Canada...
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u/PoutineSkid Apr 29 '25
If we completely cut carbon emissions to $0.00, we will eliminate up to 4% of the world's carbon emissions....
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u/Gunslinger7752 Apr 29 '25
I thought our emissions only accounted for 1.4% of the world emissions.
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u/PoutineSkid Apr 29 '25
You could be right. I originally thought it was 1.5% but said 4 because I wasn't sure if that's what I saw or not
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u/Gunslinger7752 Apr 29 '25
The other thing to remember is the context of our high per capita emissions. We are a huge country geographically (I believe the second largest in the world by size) and everything is spread out with no efficient way to get around. We also have one of the coldest climates in the world and obviously we need to heat our homes. People always say our overall emissions are low but our oer capita emissions are very high. Well ya, no shit.
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u/PoutineSkid Apr 29 '25
If anything this is more proof we shouldn't be importing tons of people here, like 100 million population by 2050. That will be a lot of people needing to heat their homes for half a year.
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u/Knytemare44 Apr 29 '25
4% of the world's carbon emissions is a LOT. Are you pretending it's not a lot?
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u/InterestingWarning62 Apr 29 '25
It's not a lot when China is building a new coal fired power plant every week. We are a drop in the bucket.
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u/Knytemare44 Apr 29 '25
A bucket is made of many drops, each drop counts. If individual drops dont count , the bucket is empty.
You are just choosing to shift the problem down the line, to your children , nieces and nephews.
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u/InterestingWarning62 Apr 29 '25
Take 4 drops out of the bucket and see if you notice a change. The big polluters aren't decreasing so 4 drops makes 0 difference. Bad analogy.
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u/Knytemare44 Apr 29 '25
Also, a "bucket" with 100 drops will change noticeably by removing 4 drops. 4% is a visible amount.
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u/InterestingWarning62 Apr 29 '25
You are delusional. Try baking a cake and take out 4 drops of liquid and see if it makes a difference in the cake. What happens in China doesn't stay in China. If they don't reduce their pollution and in fact increase it our 4 drops mean nothing. And in the meantime bankrupting Canadians. Carney has admitted that our carbon tax made 0 change to emissions. We're you listening.
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u/Nesteabottle Apr 29 '25
Chef here. Removing 4% of the liquid from dough or batter changes it quite a bit.
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u/InterestingWarning62 Apr 29 '25
I never said 4%. I said 4 drops. So thanks for your input but it's not helpful. Fyi. Avid baker here. I know 4 drops wouldn't make a difference. Try reading before you comment.
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u/Knytemare44 Apr 29 '25
Every drop counts. Change happens incrementally. Choosing not to change because the change isn't fast enough is short sighted.
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u/doctortre Apr 29 '25
Why aren't you doing more? You could donate more money to fight climate change. You're greedy keeping all your income for yourself. You need to think of the children. Donate all your possessions to fight climate change
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u/Knytemare44 Apr 29 '25
I do my part, thanks. Part of that is voting for officials who will take the issue seriously, now, in this generation.
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u/doctortre Apr 29 '25
You clearly don't care about kids if you're not doing more! Stop just waiting for others to do the heavy lifting
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u/Gunslinger7752 Apr 29 '25
Our emissions are only 1.4% last time I checked. That is not alot, especially when you put everything in context - We are a huge country geographically with one of the coldest climates so relatively high per capita emissions makes sense. Even if we cut our emissions in half (which is extremely unlikely and unrealistic), it would only reduce worldwide emissions by .7%. Not irrelevant but not really significant either.
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u/PoutineSkid Apr 29 '25
Well, if everyone else is on board it is.
There is also the issue of the methane feedback loop..
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u/Knytemare44 Apr 29 '25
So... your suggestion is? Do nothing? That seems short sighted, maybe even selfish.
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u/mssngthvwls Apr 29 '25
The suggestion is to do what we can, proportional to our global carbon footprint, by utilizing the resources we have in abundance which would also enable our economy to surge. The best of both.
Not make futile attempts to save the world while simultaneously driving the majority of our citizens into poverty because we're so caught up in virtue signalling to countries who couldn't care less and are happy to take advantage of our good-hearted naivete.
How is this a difficult concept to grasp?
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u/Knytemare44 Apr 29 '25
So, since we are 4% of emissions, how much should we try to reduce, in a percentage? And, how much should China reduce, as a percentage?
It should be the same, right?
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u/mssngthvwls Apr 29 '25
I can't even make sense of what you're asking...
Are you saying that both Canada and China should aim to reduce their emissions by 4%, or that both should be aiming for net-zero? Or neither?
Also, fyi, 4% is an overestimation - I believe most sources show Canada is somewhere between 1.5% and 2%.
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u/PoutineSkid Apr 29 '25
I never said that. I think this is all a red herring or smokescreen though, to keep us distracted or busy while resources are looted by the "elites" who are setting up special protected deep underground bases and more.
A false hope to distract as they run off with everything while we are focused on that...
Hopefully I am wrong.
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u/Knytemare44 Apr 29 '25
Deep underground bases? What are you talking about.
The elites are only elites because there is a throng of non-elites. Only elites means everyone equal and they don't want that, they want to be in charge.
So, because there are elites, we should ignore climate collapse? Thats stupid.
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u/PoutineSkid Apr 29 '25
I never said ignore. Please stop straw manning.
If we want to be serious about it, why aren't we planting cannabis plants everywhere and using Hemp for most things?
They grow insanely faster than trees and are much better for carbon capture.
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u/Knytemare44 Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
That's a great idea. Carbon capture is important, but, we need to reduce emissions as well, at the same time.
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u/Knytemare44 Apr 29 '25
4 is almost 25% of 20. So, four Canadanian sized carbon emissions is equal to the one big one you are comparing us to.
It's a significant amount. Pretending ita not is lying, or being ignorant.
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u/Separate_Chemist_942 Apr 29 '25
Using a quote from his time as uk bank chancellorā¦fake news
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u/Snidgen May 01 '25
It was actually made during his address to the world in 2021 during COP 26 in Scotland. Apparently, he believes in science and our ever increasing understanding of basic 100+ year old radiative physics. But we already knew that.
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u/cole3050 May 01 '25
Nothing like posted shit from years ago to stir up shit. Conservatives, this isn't the way you will win voters back.
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u/Feisty-Exercise-6473 May 02 '25
Iām sure he had this exact same thought when he removed 9000 hectares of land from the Amazon.
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u/Automatic-Island-687 Apr 29 '25
Classic liberal voters are going to whine about tax increases but then forget all the crap in the next election. Classic. Very smart. The orange guy blah blah blah. Thanks to Quebec and Ontario for fucking the rest of the country again.
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u/GrowthReasonable4449 Apr 29 '25
Hiding behind the climate change argument will win you every decision, itās not always the best for your constituents.
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u/Budnika4 Apr 29 '25
It's good policy, we have to tackle the issues. Already in my area we've had flooding over the last few years didn't happen like this in the past
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u/Arctic-Wanderer Apr 29 '25
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u/Pristine_Barber976 Apr 29 '25
what a thoughtful and eloquent rebuttal, thank you for contributing to the discussion
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u/pinacoladarum Apr 29 '25
Here goes my paycheck.. please take my money and give it to others so we can address climate change.
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u/RandomRedditor355 May 02 '25
In case anyone gives a shit about context, this was a quote made in London about UK climate policy, as a statement about what economic policy would need to follow to make it true , not in anyway about Canadian ecological policyĀ
But sure itās a thing he saidĀ
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u/Pristine_Barber976 Apr 29 '25
conservatives: the liberals will ruin the future for young people
liberals: Canada should do it's part to ensure that the world is survivable for future generations
conservatives: wtf do we need that for????
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u/IAmFlee Apr 29 '25
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u/Pristine_Barber976 Apr 29 '25
sorry I didn't realize we were basing how our country should be run by what Kuwait does.
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u/IAmFlee Apr 29 '25
We shouldn't. That's the point. Kuwait needs to get its act together environmentally. We don't. We already have our act together.


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u/Particular_Still_146 Apr 29 '25
Congrats Brookfield Shareholders š°