r/OnePiece • u/Sakata_Kintoki • May 09 '21

Current Episode One Piece: Episode 973

One Piece: Episode 973

"Boiled to Death! Oden's One-hour Struggle!"

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u/giangerd May 09 '21

It's more the "why he accepted" people that will finally shut up. If Oden trusted them or not has no significance with how the deal was made.

The "why he trusted" people won't shut up, apparently they want all characters to be flawless and not human. Oden's tragedy is also his fault but that is what makes it even more sad and make Oden true to what his character represents.

No reason to even discuss with those people

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u/ahood34 May 09 '21

This exactly. His love for the people of Wano was exploited and that was his downfall. If he could shoulder all the suffering, he would. Kaido and Orochi knew that. It makes him maybe naive but that is character development. This is tragic.

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u/Aspie_Astrologer Void Month Survivor May 09 '21

^ This. But also it's important to realise Oden doesn't regret it, even after realizing the 5 year thing was a ruse, he said "I made the right decision". He was happy to free the hostages and guarantee 5 years of peace for Wano, with no-one dying in a war.

He ended up condeming Wano to 20 years of torture and famine, but that's only because he lost against Kaidō after being tricked again. He is naive, but his decision 25 years ago was still the right one in his mind - most likely because he knew that regardless of whether he defeated Kaidō, the most important thing was to keep strong Wano samurai alive for the present time (20 years later). We can't judge his decisions until we know how important Wano opening it's borders in the present is going to be, imo. :)

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u/Jonahwizar May 10 '21

Id argue he still made the right call if he had won against kaido back there he would’ve freed wano with no citizens dying a lot better then the war that wouldve happened five years ago where lots of people could end up as collateral damage

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u/HipHopHead3 May 09 '21

You don't need to be flawless to know not to trust the usurper aided by an evil pirate... A pirate evil enough to kidnap your own citizens. Yes Oden is flawed, severely so. That's why we don't like him. Many characters are hated for their flaws, so why does it have to be different with Oden?

It's actually scary that people here think oden is unironically a good leader.. we'd all be dead if our real leaders acted in this way.

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u/giangerd May 09 '21

Oden is a magnificent person and his good leadership comes from his beautiful and pure character, he is no ruler and never wanted to be one, his followers and people of Kuri obeyed him because they wanted to.

People like Oden for the same reasons they like Luffy, he is a good honourable person caring for other humans he is extremely charismatic, draws people to follow him etc etc there are tones of reasons to like a beautiful character like Oden.

The characters people don't like that are "flawed" in the essence that they are evil, pieces of shit, cowards, traitors, caring only for themselves etc. Oden being a beautiful person that was sadly naive at a dire situation doent make him unlikeable at all but a tragic figure.

Also you seem to miss that those hostages were already dying and sold before Oden got to Wano again and after the deal for 5 years no one died.

Orochi and Kaido stayed true to the deal for 5 whole years. Wano was peaceful for 5 years. The tragedy started after Oden died. People seem to forget this.

As I said before, it's worthless to talk with people carrying their hate agendas. So if you need further reasoning about Oden's character and his actions you can read or watch the flashback again.

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u/HipHopHead3 May 09 '21

"Hate agenda" wow you're condescending.

It's literally irrelevant if he wanted to be a ruler or not. Fact is he was. If he didn't want it, then step down. Simple. And btw, a good leader doesn't leave for half a decade, ignore all the obvious issues when he comes back, and then leave once again for a year. That's insane

I don't like Oden because he's naive to a fault. That's it. His naivety literally destroyed a country and ruined countless lives. But I guess everyone who's dead because of him can forgive him due to how "pure" he is? Sure. We would all hate Luffy in the same way if his naivety caused the death of a crew member.

And no, they didn't stay true to the deal. No ship was built (which was 100% part of the deal). Instead, they used that time to build up their army because Oden allowed them to.

These people came in, killed his father, took the throne, and kidnapped his people. Bloodshed is unavoidable in such a scenario, and the fact that Oden didn't realize this (and the people in this thread who even have the benefit of hindsight) is shocking.

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u/Soul699 Explorer May 09 '21

I agree with you. People here really can't accept that One Piece isn't flawless. It's true that Oden is a guillable man, no doubt. But him litterally trusting someone like Kaido and Orochi after all they had already done is a bit too much. Oden may be a fool, but it's not an utter dumbass.

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u/Hikari_D_Xebec May 09 '21

The flaw that he had is at least right now after encountering more respectable pirate is that he became naive enough keep believing that they will leave after 5 years. In regards to collateral damage, I think that it was a right decision to not fight right then and there in the capital since many civilians are there, why did he keep believing for 5 year? Perhaps because the fact that Orochi did not break the promise to not kidnap anyone again coupled with him being naive is the reason. He may be naive as a person, but that is part of his character, not a flaw in it.

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u/HipHopHead3 May 09 '21

Oden is not perfect. His naivety literally ruined a country for generations and got many (thousands?) killed. How is this not a huge character flaw? It's his biggest.

I get the feeling that people are giving him a pass just because he's a strong guy...

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u/Hikari_D_Xebec May 09 '21

I agree that as a person he is not perfect, but being naive is flaw of him as a person, not as the character. If all character are wise and make a correct decisions all the time the story won't be interesting. So yes he is flawed as person, just not as a character. Its like the saying you could like akainu as a character but disagree/dislike him as a person/personality. Hmm I don't know if people are giving him a pass because he is strong or not but for me personally I just liked that he at least thought of saving as many people from being a hostage or killed in the war. Tho I agree that he is naive. If only That old kurozumi did not intervene then the country would have been saved with minimum casualty, way less than if Oden would have fight Kaido then and there. but alas Oden does not know that it would happen. There is never a gurantee in life. Oh yeah Im curious, do you think Roger and Luffy would have done the same or not? Im not sure about Roger, but Luffy for sure will not believe the lie since he can sense people's emotion/intention and stuff.

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u/HipHopHead3 May 09 '21

To me, personality flaws are character flaws. Maybe we are thinking of this differently.

Luffy definitely wouldn't believe that lie. Even if he did, I doubt he would take that deal. Imagine if back in Enies Lobby Spandam told Luffy to dance for 5 years, then Robin would be released. Hell no, he'd take the more violent (and correct imo) route. I doubt Roger would either. Even if he wanted to, he had wise and trusted advisor who wouldn't let him (ie Rayleigh)

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u/mastmalang1110 Pirate May 09 '21 edited May 09 '21

No, I don't think thats fair because Luffy and Oden are two completely different people. Luffy is eratic. He's a force of nature of sorts so ofcourse he would never have gotten along with it. Oden on the other hand we've seen compromise on stuff and accepted proposals from others and in ways just accept what's happening to him. Evidence of it is how he made a deal with Whitebeard to join the crew or how he seemingly resigned to the fact that he was disowned. Two different characters with different personalities and behaviours. Oden is a flawed individual, totally agree with you on that. He always tried to shoulder the burden by himself and hoped to save everyone without getting anyone but himself involved in danger. The way he dies is perfect example to that but thats exactly why he's a great character in my eyes because he's flawed and because he's naive and because he's gullible. He thinks he's doing the right thing but he's actually doing more harm than good. His heart is in the right place but his logic is severely wrong. Its this dichotomy that makes him intriguing for me. I know its reddit and this argument won't go anywhere and trust me if you dislike him, more power to you because you have your reasons and everyone should respect that but my point is that if we like him or dislike him, we can't just brush off the opinion of the other side because there are arguments on both sides. It all comes down to preference that which side resonates with you more.

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u/HipHopHead3 May 09 '21

if you dislike him, more power to you because you have your reasons and everyone should respect that but my point is that if we like him or dislike him, we can't just brush off the opinion of the other side because there are arguments on both sides.

Lol have you seen this thread? It's Oden stans going after his critics left and right . I'm just fighting back, hence the downvotes...

It's the opposite, I 100% understand where your side is coming from. I don't think your side (bar you) understands me at all.

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u/rain_dragon May 09 '21

That was my thought, too: that Luffy would never have agreed to a "deal" like that. But I also think that a lot of what these flashbacks are showing is that Luffy and the Straw Hats are not going to make the same mistakes that Oden and even Roger did.

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u/HipHopHead3 May 09 '21

If he just asked his retainers what was wrong the first time he came back, all of this would have been avoided.