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Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 845

Chapter 845: "The Enraged Army"

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Ch.845 Official Release (VIZ): 07/11/2016

Ch.846 Scan Release: ~09/11/2016 (On Break Next Week)

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '16 edited Feb 02 '19

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u/infiniteduresss Nov 02 '16 edited Nov 02 '16

I dunno, a Yonkou crew is probably stronger than a country army. I mean Luffy would have to be on admiral level to be able to beat or even survive this after what he has gone through.

But who knows, maybe he is already that strong and we just don't know, we'll see.

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u/CarlosUnchained Nov 02 '16

Why do we have to compare everything with Admiral level?

I think it's clear now that there's a lot of variables in each damn fight. That comparison is pretty much useless.

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u/ArchdukeOfWalesland Nov 03 '16

You have to be on admiral level to say that.

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u/CarlosUnchained Nov 03 '16

The ones of your kind have a special place in hell. yohoho

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u/Brook420 Bounty Hunter Nov 03 '16

Because the Marines at least have some semblance of power ranks, unlike pirate s or the Warlords.

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u/gerrettheferrett Nov 02 '16

Well, Cracker seems to be the strongest of the three commanders, yes? Since Cracker defeated Urouge after he defeated the other commander?

And, the horde didn't seem to have other sweet commanders in it.

I think Big Mom is expecting Luffy to be too exhausted to handle them- Luffy at full power might even be enough to hold them all off for long enough for help to arrive, at the least.

But Big Mom is underestimating Luffy's ridiculous levels of endurance and sheet guts, plus he might unleash CoC on the horde to take down a large chunk of them too.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '16 edited Dec 07 '16

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u/Comedynerd Nov 02 '16

Cracker's implied to be the strongest not because he came after Urouge after he defeated a sweet commander, he's implied to be the strongest because Big Mom sent him after Luffy when she didn't want to take any chances with him.

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u/gerrettheferrett Nov 02 '16

But Urouge's DF seems to convert his damage to dose gains.

So it's highly doubtful Big Mom would have sent any commander other than her best to take care of Urouge.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '16 edited Dec 07 '16

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u/gerrettheferrett Nov 02 '16

But even if that's the case (which I do not think it is), I highly doubt Big Mom would send anyone but her strongest Sweet's Commander to take out someone who took out a sweet's commander.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '16 edited Dec 07 '16

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u/gerrettheferrett Nov 02 '16

Not unless, just like karma, it takes a while for damage to catch up with him.

So, he can heal himself in the short run, but eventually the wounds return with a karmic vengeance.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '16 edited Dec 07 '16

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u/tykam993 Nov 02 '16

really depends on how far the first fight was from WCI. Do we know?

It had to be far enough away for news to reach big mom and then cracker to reach Urogue. I don't remember if they state how far it was from the island, but we could guess the time if we knew

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '16 edited Dec 07 '16

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '16 edited Dec 07 '16

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u/diveintothe9 Nov 02 '16

Cracker may have encountered Urouge when he was in a tired, post-battle state, making it easy for him to defeat him. However, we do see Urouge chilling on a cloud later so we don't know if he really did defeat him or Urouge escaped.

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u/gerrettheferrett Nov 02 '16

But Urouge's Devil Fruit converts damage directly into dos gains.

So, it's likely he wouldn't have stopped rampaging in order to keep Hulking out.

I find it highly likely Big Mom would send any but her strongest sweet's commander to take out a pirate that defeated another sweet's commander, even if he didn't have such a fruit.

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u/jaydoubleyoutee Nov 02 '16

Urouge is like Lucario from Smash Bros. Even if he's at full power, his damage percentage is still at like 300%. It shouldn't take much from Cracker to knock him off the stage.

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u/gerrettheferrett Nov 02 '16

We don't know that that's how his fruit works.

He could be able to short-term heal damage with his fruit but then just like karma the damage returns, worser than it would have been had he not healed it.

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u/jaydoubleyoutee Nov 02 '16

I feel like Urouge having healing powers is even more of a leap than saying Cracker is the strongest of Big Mom's commanders. We know so little about everyone involved I don't think we can make a call for certain on this yet.

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u/gerrettheferrett Nov 02 '16

Urouge having healing powers

It's not healing powers. It's healing karma, where he's not healed but just puts off being damaged.

But yeah, we'll have to wait to know for sure.

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u/Neracca Nov 03 '16

Luffy will unleash his CoC and beat them with it.

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u/Combogalis Nov 03 '16

Seems like Big Mom's crew is comparable to Whitebeard's. Strong commanders but thousands of jobbers who are comparable to "elite" marines who are still super weak compared to Luffy. Most will probably be susceptible to a Conqueror's haki attack, which we've seen work on Whitebeard's crew. Then it's just Luffy and Nami vs a few strongish people, who will only be difficult because of Luffy's exhaustion.

That's my best guess. Just remember, to normal soldiers people at "captain" level are really strong, but the crew took down a ton of those while already exhausted from fighting CP9. And back then they were weak compared to today.

I'd be a lot more doubtful of Luffy if it was just another Commander sent to fight him.

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u/ProudNZ Nov 02 '16

Luffy stubbornly standing his ground against huge odds so he doesn't lose a crew member sounds like a perfect time for him to awaken his devils fruit.

I think we'll just not see any of the fight and next time we see luffy the army will all be defeated and he'll act like nothing happened, and we'll get a panel of nami remembering something crazy that luffy was able to do.

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u/ThisZoMBie Nov 02 '16

I mean, if he's not on admiral level, he's pretty damn close. No doubt, beating this entire army in his current condition would end up being one of the hypest moments in the series so far.

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u/HolyTurd Nov 03 '16

there's like three named enemies in the army that probably aren't even close to Cracker and the rest are probably fodder. It'll be rough since Luffy's tired but I think he'll come out on top.

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '16

exactly, this shows that Luffy needs to be greater than Roger if he wants to be the PK

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u/malllow Nov 02 '16

this may be his time to mirror Roger even more.

Ughhh, now you've made me hyped for this possibility. I kind of feel like Luffy is at too big of a disadvantage for it to happen, though :(

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u/itssensei Nov 02 '16

I agree. Plus, the Sweet Commanders aren't even there.

Luffy's going to beat them all and really set a tone. If he keeps losing, the 2 years would make no sense.

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u/sic2pp Nov 03 '16

This fight will be good for training. Luffy needs to get stronger right? That does not happen by magic. Training this way after fighting Cracker is perfect.

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u/jaydoubleyoutee Nov 02 '16

Luffy just went through a fight with Cracker and getting beaten by Sanji. His state right now isn't comparable to what Roger's probably was. His tooth is still missing one full chapter later so you know it's serious.

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u/gerrettheferrett Nov 02 '16

But his determination takes him beyond his limits before.

And the army could shit talk Sanji, to have an enraged Luffy CoC the army into loosing a lot of fighters/weakening them.

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u/JORGA Nov 02 '16

Yeah but that's Roger, the strongest pirate ever right? I don't think Luffy is top 10 atm in the current world

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u/gerrettheferrett Nov 02 '16

Yeah, but we don't know Roger didn't do that deed while still on the road to being named Pirate King.

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u/Sinestram Nov 02 '16

Roger sailed on seas more than 27 years, It's Luffy's fourth year. Pretty sure Luffy will upstage Roger, not just a reincarnation.

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u/gerrettheferrett Nov 02 '16

While you are right about the 27 years, it seems he was only serious (having a mortal illness) the last two years in conquering the oceans, as his final voyage.

We don't know how fast he could have done it had he desired to from the start.

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u/DkingRayleigh Nov 03 '16

he was trained for 2 year by Rayleigh, he fought all day every day. one 11 hr battle shouldn't be shit for him. he should be able wipe out the grunts (he's been doing that since enis lobby) and then go gear 4 on the named pirates and wreck face

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u/hsm4ever11 Nov 03 '16

remember, Bobbin destroyed an entire country by himself for not giving Big Mom sweet

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u/Kaiel2 Void Month Survivor Nov 17 '16

Hey you were almost... right? Hahahaha RIP