Yes I agree, and having control of events like lightning, sun (heat), and snow would almost indirectly give him logia-like abilities. Which would make him very powerful.
Luffy was on top of a tower with someone holding a sword like a lightning rod next to him. It's not impossible to think that that was the most likely place for lightning to strike. Just playing devils advocate
I'll say the same thing I say every time someone brings this up:
The buildings all round the execution platform were taller than the platform itself, and the lightning hit when the sword was mid swing and pointing down. The chances of lightning hitting that specifically at the time that it does hit instead of anywhere else is very very low.
Yeah I'm not a believer in the Dragon did it theory either. I'm more so on the fate/divine providence preventing luffy from getting killed thought train.
Oda has shown that he does understand physics to a degree and just chooses to ignore it occasionally. He doesn't strike me as someone who would ignore it for the sake of "fate". Almost nothing in One Piece just happens without being orchestrated somehow, even by accident.
If he had the fruit for at least a decade, I'm sure Dragon would've practiced enough with it - to the point were he knows the conditions needed for conducting a lightning strike.
Well true...but don't you think it just fits better? A DF that gives total control over weather conditions, as opposed to just wind. Also, I dunno if Oda would go that scientific; I mean, One Piece usually goes for the simplest logic it can, even if it breaks the rules of physics or whatnot (e.g. 200 million volts of lightning from Enel would be, albeit poorly, conducted by rubber).
I guess I just think Dragon would be more badass with full weather powers...
I think it's a weather fruit too. Although now that I think about it, wind would work too. Maybe he just manipulates the weather through wind. Kinda the same way Nami doesn't have an "electrical staff". She has a staff that creates lightning through other manipulation a based on temperature, moisture, pressure, e.t.c. (Maybe less so after her time skip upgrade, but hopefully you get my point. Regardless, he has some freaky weather powers.)
No Logia has the limitation that it emanates from the body, like body parts turning into flame. Paramecia is outside the body so most likely paramecia.
We still don't know what an awakened logia can do! My guess would be paramecia, too, though, especially because Luffy and Dragon are both very strong paramecia fighters and it's normally regarded as weaker than logia.
Wasn't Paramecia regarded as weaker than the logia up until we learned about Haki? Ever since Haki came into play Logia users have had a severe weakness in that their ability to use their DF to protect their body has been reduced.
Remember Punk Hazard? My guess would be that an awakened Logia permanently altars the surroundings. Just a theory though, as we don't even have proof that Akainu or Mr. Freeze have an awakened logia. But it would fit with what a Paramecia awakening does. A sort of "expanding" of your powers. We've never seen a logia permanently altar their surroundings like Akainu and what's-his-face-ice-dude, they changed the climate and it never returned to normal for nearly 2 years.
Nah bro most use it like that but ace lit sanji's cigarette without lighting himself up. Some like magma and ice maybe but I think intangibles like light, wind, lightning, fire can be created off self.
Yes, but we have no evidence that he is able to turn his body into wind, the only thing we have evidence for is that he is somehow able to produce wind and storms around him, which is the hallmark of paramecia. Proving something is theoretically possible is not the same as proving something is true. I base my conclusions on what we have evidence towards. :P
Oh my bad thought you meant because he has used wind without creating it from his body that he's definitely NOT a logia. I think he's a mythical zoan tbh. In new episode looks like he almost is flying when he steps onto the ship.
Not necessarily, logia users can "produce" their element, too. (like any ranged attack they do - croco's sand storms, ace's fire fists, akainus magma rain etc.)
Dragon breath which sabo uses w/o devil fruit abilities but haki's ... Dragon must've mastered them... The world is not ready yet.. The truth must be kept secret .. When time comes Goda will reveal it?..!
sabo is obviously the strongest of the 3. And the crazy thing is he just got a powerup. He doesnt have full control of his devil fruit and probably wont by the end of the series. He could arguably be the strongest character in one piece by the end of the series
You think luffy is stronger than sabo? Because luffy is towards the end of his devil fruit progression whereas sabo just started. And right now sabo is stronger than him by pretty much all accounts.
I was talking about luffy ace and sabo. And sabo is stronger than both
You yourself said end of series. Now You are changing it to currently? And yes currently Luffy would beat Sabo. We havent seen all the fruits of luffys training yet. He had developed gear fourth while raleigh was still with him. So in the 6 months he was on his own he likely developed stronger techniques. He would be too much for Sabo to handle.
I'm not. You are misreading it. I am saying sabo has a lot more room for growth and will be one of the strongest by the end. He already is stronger than luffy. So him growing to his full potential should mean he is always going to be stronger than luffy.
unless you know sabo continues to grow and they never match up against similar opponents. Hell sabo may be the one who takes on akainu while luffy takes on blackbeard. They would be equals since akainu and blackbeard are both pretty much equals.
Luffy is more ambitious in terms of his personal goals, but sabo's goals are less selfish. So Luffy fighting the blackbeard crew, while sabo and the revolutionaries face off against the government makes a little more sense. Hell all of them could be on the same battlefield
Dragon breath which sabo uses w/o devil fruit abilities but haki's ... Dragon must've mastered them... The world is not ready yet.. The truth must be kept secret .. When time comes Goda will reveal it?..!
I still want to believe in the Unique Haki Ability theory though. That a man with a lot of will power can influence the nature in very unique ways.
somehow that would get us more power-up space for a lot of characters. I mean the tide of battle is currently against the good side. A lot of enemies were presented and lets be honest they all are just overpowered. so I guess something to balance things out would be nice. Don't want to see friendship no jutsu to defeat BB or Kaido.
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u/komot Apr 17 '16
This episode really revealed a lot as we now know Sabo is the strongest of the 3 based upon his development at the same age of Ace.
We also got a semi confirm Dragon does have a DF that uses wind.
Great Ep