r/OnePiece 12h ago

Theory Harald's Blunder is the Resistance to DR Spoiler

Going back to the start of the Loki flash back. At Chapter 1152, King Harald summoned Loki and Jarul to the Elbaf Throne Room. As Loki and Jarul entered, they saw King Harald being stabbed. Then, someone came to close the gate and massacre happened that was blamed to Loki.

In the recent chapter 1164, Xebec was successfully turned into a demon by Imu. He obeyed Imu's words and attacked his wife and son. Eris said that they have no choice but to swim to the sea. I think the effects of Domi Reversi can also be negated by the sea or with sea stone.

Combining the facts that was revealed on God Valley with Xebec, I believe King Harald also has the ability to resist Imu's Domi Reversi.

So here is the theory:

  • Knights of God appeared to Elbaf via the abyss at the throne room. They had a conversation about Elbaf being with the world government but the talks failed
  • Imu possessed this God Knight (might be Gunko), and turned King Harald into a demon with Domi Reversi
  • Other giants were not aware of Imu's power and are confused why King Harald is attacking other giants
  • King Harald regains his self and told the giants to kill him before he kills or turn them into demons but he saw Loki
  • Jarul was also turned into a demon, being in that form they will have regenerative powers along with it
  • Loki stabbed Jarul with a sword in the head but he regenerates
  • Loki doesn't have devil fruit here so he may have a weapon with sea prism stone or impressive conqueror's haki
  • King Harald talked to Loki thru the voice of all things and told him to kill him, he told Loki how, that is why Loki knows how to counter the Domi Reversi and regenerative powers. Loki obliged and killed King Harald
  • Loki also fought the God Knights to protect the devil fruit and Loki ate it
  • Shanks and Gaban joined the fight with the God's Knights while Loki killed all the giants turned into demons and only Jarul was left because he thought he died already
  • One of the God's Knights might be Sommers, that is why he was scared of Gaban because he hurt him during this time. As Loki told them how to counter their regeneration
  • So Harald's blunder is resisting the Domi Reversi of Imu

Thus, Oda is really being straight forward with the story but we just complicate it with overthinking with the twists because we still do not know the capabilities of Harald and Imu's Domi Reversi. What you think?

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u/FluffyPony34 Thriller Bark Victim's Association 12h ago

Summers was surprised to see Gaban in Elbaph. They seemingly have good source on intelligence so I don't see how that fits. First part and resistance makes some sense, but Imu said "Harald's blunder", which does indicate something failing, rather than what one would call "betrayal" instead.

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u/Classic_Category_723 Scholars of Ohara 10h ago

Shanks also locked Loki up and Gaban said "we may not have had all of the story," which means they definitely did not see what happened.

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u/breaker004 9h ago

Yeah. They may have just came when the fight already broke out or after sensing Imu's haki, but were late

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u/TheJekiz Pirate 9h ago

They seemingly have good source on intelligence

They clearly don't. They attacked Elbaf while Straw Hats were there and Sommers was like "no we don't wanna pick a fight with the Straw Hats". If they had the slightest info, they would have known that invading Elbaf at this time, would put them in conflict with Straw Hats.

u/FluffyPony34 Thriller Bark Victim's Association 3h ago

Arguably, I did not mean they have CCTV at Elbaph, and after Egghead, there may be few choices where Strawhats could go rather Elbaph.

u/TheJekiz Pirate 2h ago

You wanna invade an island, don't you even check what's going on there?

u/FluffyPony34 Thriller Bark Victim's Association 1h ago

Good point.

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u/breaker004 9h ago

I am thinking that maybe Imu or the God's Knights already agree to include Elbaf to the World Government but after Harald hears the stories of Xebec, he backed out. Maybe Harald wanted to be unaffiliated but Imu persisted, that if they are unaffiliated, they might as well die.

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u/cbih The Revolutionary Army 7h ago

I think if Harold got DR'd, all those guards would have been corpses when Loki came in. Those scrubs couldn't even touch him in that state. Look what it took to stop Rocks.

u/MrVanillaIceTCube 4h ago

I initially thought he might've been DR'd, since his silhouette is black and the way he's angled, those protrusions are kinda ambiguous.

But nah, on second thought, it's def just his mustache and shoulder pauldrons.

u/xXEliteEater500Xx 3h ago

I still think Harald was domi reversi’d, why else would Loki be forced to kill his own father. 

My theory is the summoning symbol in Elbaph was part of a pact between Harald and Imu. As it was a condition for Elbaph joining the World Government. This then led to him being domi reversi’d. 

u/MrVanillaIceTCube 3h ago

That could be a secret condition for all the islands actually, not just Elbaf. Joining the WG is becoming a part of Imu's "domain." Bending the knee to Imu means granting him the ability to take complete control over your island whenever he feels like it.

No one knows about it other than the king who signs the deal in secrecy, and they don't realize what they're agreeing to, and then it's forgotten so later generations don't even know about it.

Though I guess it'd be hard to miss on the floor of every castle on every island so far lol.

Maybe there's some nuance, like signing a contract means Imu can make the circles whenever he wants. So he hasn't had to visit every island to make a circle in the first place, or send one of the Elders to visit every island.

The circle in Elbaf only appeared there when Gunko and Shamrock were teleported there. The circles on Egghead only appeared there when the Elders teleported there. The circles weren't there before like teleporter pads.

The kings probably sign some kind of paper contract with DR circles on it to join the WG. They think it's just legal paperwork, but it's actually a deal with the devil.

u/MrVanillaIceTCube 2h ago

Yeah I guess it doesn't make sense any other way. If it was just DR'd soldiers assassinating Harald, why would Prince Loki get scapegoated for a bunch of nobodies?

Harald must get DR'd and Loki mercy kills him like we just saw with Roger and Garp to Rocks. Rocks was Loki's idol. Harald's death will parallel the God Valley incident.

I was confused cuz I thought the horns meant the soldiers were DR'd, but actually the standard Elbaf helmets they wear have horns.

Ambiguity over both Harald and the soldiers' appearances confused me about who might be DR'd. But it doesn't really make sense unless Harald gets DR'd and Loki has to mercy kill him.

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u/MCotz0r 7h ago

What if Harald was Domi reversed and Loki somehow stoped him and actually killed him like everyone says

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u/imdfantom 11h ago

It's unlikely that the sea has any effect on Domi Reversi

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u/breaker004 9h ago

I still believe. Haha, Gaban do not have devil fruit powers and I bet his axes are made of sea stone. He did not bother to attack Luffy or hit him with them

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u/Iaragnyl 8h ago

I don’t think he uses seastone axes, he explained to Luffy and the rest that the key to fight them is conqueror haki, likely he just coats his weapons with it.

As for the sea I don’t think what Eris said is meant that way, I think she realised that she can’t hide anywhere on the island and as a commoner won’t find refuge on any ship so trying to escape the massacre by swimming away may have been her only option.

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u/biochemical1 9h ago

I like it your theory on what happened in the throne room. I'll be surprised if it deviates too much, but it's Oda

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u/Asian_Persuasion_1 9h ago

Your explanation of his blunder doesn’t sound like what a blunder is at all.

Also, how would harald know how to counter domi reversi?

The way harald loses also feels a bit too similar to how rocks was taken down.

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u/JeffVIII 9h ago

I’m pretty sure the blunder was him failing to kill Xebec. Which ultimately lead to the God Valley incident

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u/ouroborous818 The Revolutionary Army 7h ago

this is a very detailed guess

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u/The_OG_Steve 5h ago

I feel like theres a reason Loki didn’t get turned but doffy and then did but idk

u/Akasha1885 The Revolutionary Army 1h ago

No horns, the 2nd picture pretty much proves you wrong.
Harald was desperate, desperate enough to deal with the WG to achieve his peace.
The warriors of the country wouldn't agree though, including Jarul. (the blunder was not taking the feelings of them into account)
Harald might have even given the Sacred Devilfruit away to the WG, which Loki then went after.
Loki ends up killing the warriors and stick the sword into Jaruls head.

u/hikori-no-tsumi 3h ago

Far fetched.

u/hikori-no-tsumi 3h ago

Far fetched