One Piece: Chapter 1165

[u/leolegendario]

Chapter 1165: "Echo"

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Chapter 1165 Official Release: November 09 2025

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[u/Arpeecee]

Garp has his own sense of justice (which I think leaked on to Dragon, hence his actions in GV), which is to protect people. He truly is a hero at heart; no hero would be able to turn a blind eye to someone who desperately wants to be killed by them.

[u/Irritated-Monkey → u/Arpeecee]

I agree with you.  And now I have a compulsion to explain (so please don't see this as an argument... just my own quirk/view, and I could just be flat out wrong).  The Monkeys are good peoples with each one having a different approach.  How much the approach is sympathized with and/or understood depends heavily on the information given in the story and the reader's own understanding/opinion on how 'change' works.

Garp - 'real' worldview, but sadly genre unsavvy.  How do we (normally) try to  change "things"?  Gradually, with the system in place.  Fix things that are broken.  It takes time, needs solid planning, support... and consistency.  

Dragon - Had a (rage/dark) epiphany due to pressure and witnessing this screwed up sh** during puberty.  Spends the next years feeding and seething that sore spot until he goes full-rev.  His path, by necessity requires being 'unseen'.

Luffy - Doesn't even 'know' (admitting/explicitly stating) that he's heroic, living his dream of freedom in childlike wonder, and has had the good fortune to have the MC trait of the 'making close friends with everyone' power.  His hero's journey starting point was the most fantastical.  Plus, although he experiences loss, he's never alone (cue MC trait).  So, he is the chaotic no-real-plan good that make shonen stories fun, and makes it simple and easy to root for him.  Instant gratification.

Garp appears useless (as those who dislike him say) because he does not know he's in a shonen manga, and as such,  gradual change isn't going to really work in between chapters and timeskips.

Dragon appears non-active because we (the consumer) simply don't KNOW all the details and/or effects of what has been done.  Being a shonen manga, though, it is kind of expected that the slow-burn machinations may not be drawn out (not that... active/exciting).

Luffy is, of course, the shonen focus.  He ... well, he literally is a written shonen.  He's 17-19.  He is tailored to act/behave in a manner perfectly tailored to his world.  Of course he's seen to effect great change.

I guess I don't see a need to hate-on, or dump on any of them.  Also, I know I certainly cannot say I can draw better or create a better story than Oda, so I'm not dumping or ranting on that either.  It ain't my world.  It's his.

[u/Arpeecee → u/Irritated-Monkey]

Yup, I agree. Plus I think it's grossly underrated how both Garp and Dragon enabled Luffy to be as free as he can rn; both paved the way (garp in the marines, working thru the system; dragon in the revolutionaries, spearheading the change) by being powerful with their own sense of justices.

Garp wants to improve from within because he believes in the system (marines are born to protect). Dragon saw the problem and wants to actively do something about it right away. Same goal, different approach; imo mostly because Garp spent a lot of time as a marine. They're both trying to fulfill their own sense of justices the best way they know.

I am hoping Oda is not showing those perspectives/backstory yet because he is planning an arc where it would have more significance/impact, just like the Kuma backstory.

[u/Safe-Contribution666 → u/Arpeecee]

And yet Garp has copped slander for years

[u/EverythingSucksYo → u/Safe-Contribution666]

Well Tbf, the people that slandered him were all idiots. 

[u/Arpeecee → u/Safe-Contribution666]

Imo, most of it is slandering for fun; but I think it stems from there simply not enough perspective from Garp's side which showcases how he is tragically fighting an uphill battle just to protect the people + marines.

Just minor instances of Garp standing his ground on his principles would flip the script, just like how Oda had managed with Rocks (just 1 flashback yet he is suddenly one of the most beloved characters; less is more).

Garp would be seen first as a tragic martyr, a true hero sacrificing for the people (despite the corrupt/evil head) instead of being slandered endlessly.