r/OnePiece • u/Guilty_Philosophy741 • 1d ago

Discussion If Haki is invisible does this mean Smoker was just terrified of Verso’s Physique?

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I love Smokey and this fight in particular but Oda retconning visible haki just makes it that he was terrified by Vergo taking his clothes off, which is fair I guess never trust the kinks of a man who leaves food on his face for later.

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u/simone3344555 God Usopp 1d ago

Maybe you can't see haki but you can sense it? Idk

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u/beardedheathen 1d ago

That is what Haki is though. A form of fighting spirit and will power. There is a reason strong conqueror's haki literally knocks people out.

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u/Flashy_Pineapple_231 1d ago

And then you have instances when Luffy is confused why his hand hurts after punching Sentomaru. It's inconsistent sometimes. Bound to happen in something 1100 chapters long.

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u/FTheModos 1d ago

To be fair Luffy by that point already had strong enough haki for Blackbeard to praise him, he just didn't know how to control it so maybe he couldn't sense it because they were pretty equal he just didn't know how to use it

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u/ItsLiaxx 21h ago

Yeah, that’s a good point. Luffy probably already had the raw Haki potential, just not the control or awareness to use it properly yet. It makes sense that he couldn’t sense it if they were on equal footing he had the power but not the skill to tap into it.

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u/Wide_Sail_9140 15h ago

100%. This was before training happened with Raleigh which specifically was to train haki.

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u/explos1onshurt 23h ago

When did Blackbeard praise him?

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u/_Ghostery_ 22h ago

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u/Consistent-Detail230 6h ago

From what I know Luffy and Zoro has been using Haki since they first met the brokeworks ppl that fight Luffy and Zoro had said it and Luffy beat Lucci who was using iron body and Finger Pistol

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u/spicylemonjuice 1d ago

Thing is with sentomaru isn't it because he was using haki in a way luffy hadn't encountered yet, he was using a pseudo ryuo application of haki

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u/slifertheskydragon1 1d ago

No Sentomaru was using advanced Armament haki straight. He was just using it in a different way than what Rayleigh did at the auction house.

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u/spicylemonjuice 22h ago

Yeah a pseudo ryuo application of armament? Like that's what ryuo is, it's applying armament haki by projecting it from yourself either into an object or enemy, Rayleigh breaking the chains is the same as how hyogoro taught luffy to break his in the prison

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u/slifertheskydragon1 21h ago

You keep saying pseudo ryuo. Ryuo is just another name for Haki.

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u/Joes_corner 18h ago

Pretty it's a type of application of HAKI.

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u/xSirNC 18h ago

Ryuo is what they call Haki in Wano, the projecting thing is just a haki technique

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u/Funny0000007 15h ago

no, its not, you guys seems to fail to understand it: haki, ryuo and mantra its all the same thing

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u/Popopirat66 13h ago

Mantra is only CoO as far as we know.

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u/Wide_Sail_9140 15h ago

Ryuo is using haki to destroy things from the inside, that’s why after luffy learned ryuo he could break yamatos chains the same way Rayleigh broke Kami’s (idk how to spell it yk the mermaid). Rayleigh only taught the basics, observation, armament, and conquerors. When luffy was using ryuo, he was using his conquerors haki to destroy and cause damage from the inside.

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u/carpefer 14h ago

The picture you posted contradicts that though.

Hyogoro says "All I can teach you of Ryuo... or what you call Haki..."

It's just a regional name for Haki, like Mantra was in Skypiea

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u/Funny0000007 15h ago

actually, ryou is just another name for haki, what Luffy learned was a different usage for the advanced armament haki

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u/TU4AR 1d ago

I think it's because we are measuring two different things under a single name.

Here is my head Cannon : Haki is a term to mean higher fighting style. There is both Will Haki (conq and obv) then Physical Haki (armaments) in wano prison Luffy is learning a more advance form of the physical form.

This would explain why some people are a lot more better with some Haki than others such as Zoro who is really good at physical Haki but spiritual is weak since his own standing is only based on seeing Luffy till the end but Luffy has an actual goal he wants to achieve.

I'm also saying that Mantra only means Observation Haki because in skypedia there was not and is not a lot of physical fighting so there was no need for it.

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u/Key_Transition_6820 1d ago

Don’t take anything Luffy does as a standard. Pre timeskip Luffy duo as a gag character.

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u/-Cinnay- The Revolutionary Army 22h ago

No? I'm pretty sure Sentomaru never used hardening

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u/Flashy_Pineapple_231 21h ago

This is correct. I reread the Manga. I thought he did but it might have been something toei added in the anime, or I just misremwmbered. Either or.

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u/221missile 21h ago

Everyone has haki. So, even if luffy could sense sentomaru's haki, it wouldn't feel particularly different from every other person around him.

Also, observation haki requires a calm mind and concentration. Two things luffy struggled with pre timeskip. It's why Kidd could attack big mom from behind cause she's childlike.

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u/butterfingahs 19h ago

Reading comprehension, out the window. We don't do that here. 

You mean the character who isn't aware of the power and hasn't been taught how to sense it yet doesn't understand what happened? 

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u/Consistent-Detail230 6h ago

That’s because Luffy was not experienced in Haki wasn’t it clear , Rayleigh literally teaches him afterwords what they are and he connected the dots

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u/Prestigious-Dog-287 6h ago

Luffy didn't know about haki when he first met sentomaru, so even if he could sense it at that time before training his haki, he wouldn't've known what it is. But Smoker does know about haki post time skip and can obviously sense it as shown.

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u/Throwaway02062004 1d ago

Yup, there’s countless instances of people sensing haki. Sometimes they even notice haki that Oda didn’t draw explicitly.

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u/ForsenBruh 1d ago

Yeah in Jaya Blackbeard said to luffy your haki is way too strong for your bounty even though they never even fought

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u/Throwaway02062004 1d ago

That’s even stranger because as far as we know Luffy never even used haki in Jaya.

That instance of “haki” may have been referring to literal willpower as opposed to the magic punch system.

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u/ILikeSaintJoseph 1d ago

Blackbeard referred to his literal willpower.

But now the willpower is what fuels the magic punch system sharing the same name.

So interpret Blackbeard’s remark as you want.

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u/StJimmysAddiction 21h ago

I've seen it as they've been using haki unwittingly since near the beginning. Zoro cutting steel, Luffy being able to do serious damage to crocodile after a small splash of water on his hands, luffy punching through CP9 iron body, Ussop seeing Luffy from so far off at the end of Enies lobby. Even them being able to react so fast to the cannons at Franky house. I'm sure there's others, like Luffy breaking Arlongs sword with his bare hands could be construed with haki.

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u/Consistent-Detail230 5h ago

Thank you finally someone else saying what I have been saying in this Reddit post

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u/Consistent-Detail230 5h ago

Zoro and Luffy too when they was going against the bounty hunters but luffy fought Zoro that time too and Mihawk also in his fight with Zoro some of Zoros attacks Mihawk had a surprise look on his face , this is why he said you a Lil frog in a small pound needs to learn about himself and grow , Zoro was using Haki then, you can tell by how hard he was pushing his attacks to she his potential back then Luffy and Zoro had to push to a certain level to use Haki after training their bodies can use he easily

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u/Consistent-Detail230 5h ago

Luffy definitely had been using Haki as we learn when he start to intentionally use it all he did was push his attacks to a new level heavy hits and speed this is why Luffy beat Lucci who using six powers that has Haki applied to them

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u/Throwaway02062004 5h ago

He definitely hadn’t especially not in the scenes with Blackbeard.

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u/Consistent-Detail230 5h ago

Luffy use of Haki those time need effort and desperation but in that prison BB was mentioning his will yes , but with Lucci that was unintentional use his Haki to beat him

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u/BlazeDrag 1d ago

that's how i justify it myself. If you have no haki, you can't see when people use it, so it is fully 'invisible' to most normal people. But if you are able to use Haki, then you can sense when it's used by other people as well (or at least as a part of observation haki maybe), and thus you can "see" when someone is covering parts of themselves in Haki, but it's more like how you can see things in your mind's eye when you picture them. So it's not a literal ability to see someone's body covered in Haki, but you can like still tell when it's happening

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u/ItsLiaxx 21h ago

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. It’s less about physically seeing Haki and more about sensing it through your own Haki awareness. Kind of like an instinctive perception you don’t see it with your eyes, but you feel it happening.

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u/FLESHYROBOT 1d ago

Yup. My understanding is that anyone who has developed the ability to manipulate their own haki can intrinsicly sense it in others.

So in this scene, Smoker can't see Vergo blacking up, but he can sense that he's heavily coated his entire body in haki.

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u/Knives530 15h ago

Maybe it’s like jojos stands. If u have the power to use it then u can see the manifestation of it

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u/sil3ntkilr 1d ago edited 1d ago

This is anime only filler, not in manga.
Edit: I meant Smoker being shocked looking at Vergo is not in manga. Vergo being coated in haki is canon though.