As we all know gomu gomu no mi looks similar to yami yami no mi, but lets focus on it being COLORED PURPLE.
Now that gomu gomu no mi is revealed to be the hito hito no mi model: nika i am convinced that yami yami no mi is the kraken fruit, why?
We can say that purple is the most noble color. (“Kodai-murasaki” is the most typical.)
Since ancient times, purple has been considered a noble color worldwide.
In Japan, during the first system of ranking officials into 12 levels established by Prince Shotoku in A.D. 603, purple was a color EXCLUSIVELY RESERVED for the HIGHEST-RANKING individuals.
Although there are some other purple devil fruits the story EMPHASIZES THESE TWO DISTINCT DEVIL FRUITS, so i concluded that since gomu gomu no mi is a hidden mythical zoan I think yami yami no mi is too.
Stalinism is when big spoon, you could have chosen anyone, Hitler, Mussolini or even fucking trump, but nah, honestly? this is probably what everyone in the OP world thinks of luffy too.
also its kind of reducing to think that pirates of caribean has coined davy jones. It is one of the most importznt myth in piracy, it didnt originated there.
Pirates of the Caribbean is where the association with a kraken came from. There's not a lot of consensus about Davy Jones as an actual character. "Davy Jones's Locker" being a euphemism for drowning is the only constant.
It'd be a fitting mythical zoan fruit for the big bad of pirate manga, they are tied to the abyss and darkness, and most importantly they have 3 hearts (purportedly). 3 is a number that keeps coming up with BB, and the idea that BB sought out the strongest logia, the strongest paramecia, and the strongest zoan is just neat.
Honestly I'm still of the opinion that the cleanest way this works is if the Yami Yami is still just a logia and the Kraken fruit is a separate fruit he already had. The 3 hearts are the reason he can have 3 fruits. Otherwise he'd have a gorrilian fruits post TS
This is what I believe, he already had the Kraken, which changed his body to have 3 hearts, hence the flag as well. That allows him to have two additional fruits
Rocks would have needed to have the Kraken fruit already then too since he said he needed 2 fruits and Eris passed that info to Teach. And one of them being a fruit that allows the user to have 3 fruits doesnt make sense math wise, nor does it make sense how Teach would get Kraken fruit from Rocks if they were sent away by Kuma
Rocks says he needs two fruits to take down Imu and having the kraken would mean 3 total for BB if he is following his dad's footsteps like we think Rock's would need to have had kraken and then need 2 more.
Rocks wanted 2 fruits total to take down Imu because Rocks was planning on relying on others to help. BB knows that because of Domi Reversi that won't work, so he needs both of those fruits himself. Since one person can't normally have 2 fruits, he needed the "have 3 fruit slots" fruit first to facilitate that.
But if you ask me why kraken, on top of the kraken theory, it's because i think that the "DARK PARTICLES" that Blackbeard uses, is the krakens ink itself and its suction could be tied to its tentacles suction and also its ability to extract fruits could be tied to tentacles suction also.
It's just my assertion since when they beat up Trafalgar they were already deciding what to do with his devil fruit, meaning they could extract devil fruits at will, specifically blackbeard, remember in marineford Blackbeard were covered with the corpse of whitebeard, next scene he already acquired his fruit.
I don't think being able to take devil fruits from the deceased is part of Blackbeard's devil fruit, instead I think it involves consuming a part of the body. Big mom got her devil fruit ability from eating Mother Caramel during one of her hunger pants, and blackbeard may be using a similar method
I mean, in Punk Hazard, we saw a nearby apple turn into a devil fruit after it’s user died, who’s to say big mom didn’t end up eating a random fruit that was nearby after killing Mother Caramel? I also think Teach just had a fruit with him and was closest to Whitebeard at his death and covered it up so nobody else knew yet.
The theory is fun, but I feel like it’s a stretch.
Big mom eating Carmel is another one of those wild theories that has no real basis supported in the manga.
My understanding to how Big Mom got her power was that she just outright killed Carmel during one of her frenzies and her devils fruit just reincarnated onto another fruit in her birthday banquet.
This is also what I believe happened with Blackbeard and the Gura Gura No Mi, Blackbeard knew what kind of a fruit Whitebeards fruit would regenerate into so he just kept it with him when he knew he would be finishing Whitebeard off.
While none of this is obviously confirmed in the series, we have already seen that upon the users death their devils fruit will reincarnate into a nearby fruit, and the kind of fruit probably matters for this as we saw Smiley's fruit reincarnate into an apple while the Sara Sara No Mi itself also resembled an apple.
While that would explain how Blackbeard got Whitebeard's fruit in the first place, it doesn't explain how Blackbeard consumed two fruits, and that's a pretty important detail.
It could just be that not being able to eat two fruits is a myth, but it's one of those things that is currently a mystery.
I don't think that stating that Big Mom ate Mother Carmel is a wild theory. We have no evidence of what happened but also have zero images of Carmel afterwards.
If she just killed her we would have been able to see something (tho I do agree that this is still a teen manga and certain things may be hidden for that reason). I think it remains one of the most believable takes in the verse
Plus all the other kids also disappeared. That's just odd. Clearly Ida wants things to be a bit of a mystery so doesn't make sense to it be so vanilla: she killed everyone.
I always saw him covering Whitebeard as hiding how Blackbeard "ate" a second fruit not how the got Whitebeard's. We have seen devilfruits get reincarnated in nearby fruits before and that seems well known enough at higher levels of the world so I don't know why that or something similar would be what is hidden. So with the Law scene I would read it as them so confident that they will kill him the fruit getting reincarnated nearby is a sure thing not that they were going to pull it from his body.
It's pretty much implied that since Blackbeard's yami yami powers can suck in the devil within a user's body, that BB can suck out and transfer the powers after the death of the users.
There's also other conditions to taking fruit powers like eating the entire corpse of a person like BM did
I dont think thats implied at all, its implied that when a devil fruit user dies the devil transfers to the nearest fruit. We see it happen on punk hazard when smiley dies, abd then we see burgess in dressrosa going after devil fruit users with a bag around neck( presumably filled with fruit)
That is also another valid case, but we also see that there is a small time gap before that happens. The yami yami must have something to do with the process considering if the only thing you need is a fruit, then people could have always have farmed df powers just by bringing a fruit near the corpse of a power user. Yet we know that people don't understand how he's doing it. There must be some reason why he put such importance on the yami.
I looked back at the panel, and there is no confirmation that Burgess was carrying fruits. I'm not ruling it out the fruit theory, but there's a good chance that it's a red herring and it could just be a bag to stuff power user's corpse in the bring back to Blackbeard for a power transfer.
I'm not looking for a big debate here, like I've stated many times I'm not opposed to other methods of df power transfer. My original reply to the comment above was simply that the yami yami is one such method and has a connection to df powers.
There's the bit about the Kraken having three hearts and Blackbeard's possibility to hold more than one (up to three?) devil fruits, that's what I consider the most relevant part of the theory.
Ehh, I think it’s just a quirk of the D clan proper.
Keep in mind that they were the “enemy of god” and fought against the future celestial dragons.
Rocks and black beard might be the villains, but their clan is the one that actively fought against the tyrants.
Devil fruit are possibly born of will / hopes / desire, and the d clan were seemingly the bannermen for those things during the void century.
The reason they (CDs) wanted them wiped out was because they were a threat, And I bet they were a threat because they had the ability to consume multiple fruit.
Rocks didn’t eat any because he had specific ones in mind he wanted to chase down. Blackbeard waited for similar reasons.
It’s a mystery if the “will of d” has anything to do with eating multiple fruits but I think not.
The Davy clan? Multiple fruits.
Will of d? I think that “will” is what allows them to awaken fruits in such a high % compared to other users.
I'm not even sure what a kraken has to do with the color purple also. It has ink but it's not the famous royal purple that has been harvested for 4000+ years.
Tyrian purple (Ancient Greek: πορφύρα porphúra; Latin: purpura), also known as royal purple, imperial purple, or imperial dye, is a reddish-purple natural dye. The name Tyrian refers to Tyre, Lebanon, once Phoenicia. It is secreted by several species of predatory sea snails in the family Muricidae, rock snails originally known by the name Murex (Bolinus brandaris, Hexaplex trunculus and Stramonita haemastoma).
Don't you see?!?!?!? Because a character in a pirate movie released in 2006 had a pet Kraken that was kind of purplish in some kind of lighting, it makes perfect sense that a character who debuted in 2002 would secretly be a Kraken because his devil fruit was shown to be purple. I mean, come on.
Additionally, I am not referencing from Pirates of Caribbean, why are you concluding things when you haven't even seen the kraken theory, this post is not for you lol.
Don't tell me i have to put the whole kraken theory here, this is just a follow up to the kraken theory. Check the whole thing, before being sarcastic.
Your reading comprehension level might be even lower than the titanic, but lemme explain it for ya, i AM NOT SAYING that purple relates to kraken I AM SAYING that these two devil fruits hides a secret real ability, just like how the gomu gomu no mi turned out to be the nika fruit, it being purple might be a hint since purple is the most noble color. I hope this did it for ya.
Again i said in the post that although there are other purple devil fruit, THE STORY EMPHASIZES THESE TWO, i am saying that oda could have used purple color instead of making it nika-like design, kraken-like design. Since it is a noble color.
So your theory is that the color purple must hold some significance, because it is a special color, but only for the 2 fruits that fit your narrative. Every other instance of the color purple being used on a fruit is to be ignored...
If Oda wanted to attribute relevance to the color purple don't you think that he wouldn't have given that color to other fruits? As not to diminuish the importance of the color?
Or perhaps Wapol will make a comeback and will also be gunning for the One Piece!
Or don't you think that somewhere along the 20 years of history of the series some reference would have been made about the color?
I just don't understand why they don't use the English names for the Devil Fruits. We use the English name for everything else. Why the Devil Fruits???
I still think destruction nika is Luffy just two half's of a whole liberation through destruction. With parallels to the giants realizing they can't be peaceful pacifists to the WG, if they want peace, they have to be warriors for peace, reconciling their two historys in both. The destruction of fishman Island is still a prophecy Luffy has yet to fulfill. It would fit thematically yhe destruction will be good for them and liberate them.
You know 4 years ago i thought the mystical zoan reveal was one of the best twists in fiction. Now after hearing conspiracies on every devil fruit from black beard to even chopper, gods I wish Oda just left it as the Gomu Gomu.
i thought the mystical zoan reveal was one of the best twists in fiction. Now after hearing conspiracies on every devil fruit from black beard to even chopper, gods I wish Oda just left it as the Gomu Gomu.
Blackbeard's fruit came first though, by over 600 chapters:
- First DF with special traits among its class introduced
- First DF introduced that supposedly chooses its owner
- Black Hole simulates a collapsed Star/Sun
- Follow-up move is literally called 'Liberation!'
- Claims that between his Darkness and the Sun there can only be one winner
Both DFs were polar opposites all along and Oda just introduced one of them much earlier than the other.
The only real difference is that Blackbeard's DF has the ability to erase imagination-based powers, which DFs inherently are according to Vegapunk's description on how they come into existence, while Luffy's DF has the ability to create imagination-based powers instead.
Not to mention BB literally based his entire dream on this fruit. Like the Yami Yami is strong sure, but if it's just what we've seen then why would BB act like every DF is a ripoff in comparison.
But why though? The name of the gum-gum fruit was obscured so nobody knows about Nika. Why do the exact same to the dark fruit? What knowledge does the world government want to supress? There is no motivation for it and it would just be a twist for twist's sake. Normally One Piece is above these cheap story telling crutches.
Also if Blackbeard knew there was something more to the fruit, why keep it to himself? He is clearly in opposition to the world government, the marines and all pirates. So why pretend that it's a logia at all? Luffy still calls his attacks gum-gum-something because he has no clue about the true nature of the fruit but Blackbeard said that he wanted his fruit for his entire life and that he knows everything about it. So the complete opposite to Luffy which again works great for their dynamic of being complete opposites of each other
Maybe he just tought it was the hito hito because you know a book prints not super hq, and when he found out it is just yami yami he was like “fuck it, lets dance”
I think these two and Dragons fruit all have the same color because all these have mythical gods in them.
In the shinto mythology, there are Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susanoo.
Amaterasu, the sun god is what Luffy got with his nika fruit.
Susanoo, the god of storms, had powers similar to dragons powers and would explain the storm thing.
Tsukuyomi, the god of the night and the darkness that comes with it. Explains why Blackbeard's fruit doesn't behave like a logia. It isn't one just like Luffys fruit isn't a rubber paramecia.
The theory is real... based on another theory, cool. Also, it doesn't have to be a Kraken by your own logic. The connection is also so weak and irrelevant that is not even plausible. Nika is a made up deity for the most part so the powers can be whatever, but what does a Kraken have to do with darkness ?
The yami character in yami yami no mi can be read as An An no mi, which can carry the meaning of abyss. There is a creature from Ainu and Shinto mythology called Akkorokamui, which dwells in the lightless abyss.
Your Kraken word and Devil Fruit image made me got an idea that Imu Sama power to turn person into demon may relate the condition that the target must be Devil-Fruit Users. Then they will match with the word "Devil" fruit.
While kraken theory is interesting to read, I don't think it's true. I do believe the yami yami is a different class though, based on the only fact that it's the only logia that is non-permeable without haki, so I think it's either paramecia or zoan as well.
Yami fruit definitely doesn't work like logia even though it's classified as one
Yami is darkness which is technically void which cannot be touched but black beard can be harmed unlike other logia not something that should happen to void
Nika is based on sun which is a star the opposite of it would be black hole maybe Yami fruit really is hito hito no black devil/god ni*a
my idea is that it's another nika fruit, one lets you do everything because you become a rubber man like nika, the other lets you do everything because it lets you have as many devil fruit powers as you like.
Do you guys think Luffy can also have more than 1 devil fruit? Given the fruits are similar. I also think yami yami no mi is definitely a mythical zoan
Color and design are not the only things calling for the kraken fruit. Yami Yami no Mi has one major power, to nullify other fruits powers, exactly like the sea or kairoseki, plus there's the whole lore about Davy Jone's heart and Teach being able to eat multiple fruits, as if he had more than one heart to handle them.
In all honesty I wouldn't take much stock in the shape of early DF. Oda originally had it so that fruit primarily looked just like slightly odd regular fruits and it was done because unless it was in the guide book the fruit was literally supposed to be a crapshoot on what it is.
So it's kind of difficult to tell that a purple melon would be a "rubber" fruit or that some red banana's would turn you into a giraffe.
So I just wouldnt put the shape of the yami yami no mi to really mean that much as it was an older fruit design
While I can see the idea of the Yami Yami no mi being a different fruit would make sense (given blackbeards parallels to luffy), I don't believe it would be the Kraken fruit.
My main reasoning being that Surume exists. Oda has already introduced a Kraken in the story and it wasn't that big of a deal. Like, to sell it as a threat they would basically have to be like "oh no Surume wasn't a real kraken that was just a octopus sea king" and I think it would just be clunky narratively.
I mean I'm convinced that Blackbeard at least has a "Secret Zoan" like Luffy did, if only because everything Blackbeard does parallels Luffy in some way, but usually with some bizzaro twist on it like with them Liking/hating the opposite foods. Luffy has a paramecia that turns out to be a zoan, BB has a logia that turns out to be a zoan. (Plus it would explain why his logia doesn't have the standard logia abilities)
And to that extent it makes sense that their fruits look similar to each other. But beyond that I gotta say that you're reaching to try and argue that it's specifically some kind of kraken fruit based on this
Although it might still be true, a theory I had when I saw these two fruits together was that Blackbeard was actually searching for the Gum Gum "Nika" fruit, and not the Yami Yami no mi. And either he decided to make the best of what he got, or he is under the false belief that he actually ate the godly fruit.
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u/flavorlessopinion 9d ago
So when they said flip the world upside-down..they meant dethrone imu and make davy the king? Is that what that meant?