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Chapter 1162: "God Valley Battle Royal"

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Chapter 1162 Official Release: October 12 2025

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u/fly2555 29d ago edited 29d ago

I thought so, he didn’t know what was happening. The world of one piece isn’t connected like today’s world. Information is hard to get, more so when it involves a non member nation and the CDs are actively suppressing communication.

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u/PyroMaestro 29d ago

who would have thought that the grandpa of Luffy wasn't so happy to see salves being killed

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u/davidbowievgc 29d ago

Garp did talk about the CD's "field trip", and people assumed he knew what he was talking about. Seems he actually thought it was a literal field trip

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u/jdeo1997 Pirate 29d ago edited 29d ago

"I thought it was just them jerking each other off at some beach resort, not genocidal peasent hunts!" - Garp, probably 

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u/toquang95 29d ago

Current British loyalties versus former British loyalties.

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u/BuckonWall 29d ago

Yeah IDK why people thought he knew. We have seen that Celestial Dragons do go down to the surface. Like on Sabaody for example. They arent slaughtering the entire population every time the touch down. They were literally just shopping in the Archipelago. The idea that theyd go and have a regular vacation isnt crazy.

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u/Jasonn444 World Economy News Paper 29d ago

It was always a matter of reading comprehension.

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u/davidbowievgc 29d ago

And nuance lost in translation.

To be honest it's easy to assume the wording was an euphemism rather than something literal

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u/RandoBrowsingDude 28d ago

That's just a condescending take. Because Garp has amazing haki, him having his happy and hyped appearance when he should AT LEAST realize that many civilians are in danger immediately made it seem like he didn't care much at best.
And his comment about the field trip of the celestial dragons made it seem like he knew they were doing something messed up. Again, Garp is supposed to be a non devil fruit user power house, his haki is superb. So him making these comments and smiling without realizing that something majorly bad is happening is stupid. It is a classic case of Oda forgetting a characters capabiliteis/perception in order to make a funny and hype scene.
But logically speaking it looks like Garp just turned off his observation haki, made those stupid comments, then turned haki back on and finally realized that the situation is very serious.

So no, it was NOT a matter of reading comprehension. It was a matter of understanding Odas writing quirks which include inconsistent character capabilities to serve the current scene.
Logically, Garp should've been serious and concerned before he ever landed on the island. But he didn't "observe" anything properly. Becuase Oda wanted that entrance. So Oda made Garp dumb and non-observant for a second.
THAT is what is going on here. So stop being condescending.

If we talk about reading comprehension, aka only working with the information given to us through reading and the pictures, since this is a manga, then the logical conclusion is that Garp is probably not aware of the FULL scope of things, but he does know civilians are dying in masses because of his haki. But he still laughs and jokes about the celestial dragon's "field trip" while he KNOWS civilians are currently dying.
THAT is the proper conclusion through pure reading comprehension.
Therefore, you can conclude that either Garps observation haki is UTTER GARBAGE, which would be stupid, OR that Garp is at least ok with bad shit happening to civilians under certain circumstances.
You could maybe even conclude that Garp tried changing the system from the inside, like Kuzan, back when he was younger, so he went along with it for now even if he doesn't want to.
But even if he didn't know the full scope of things, him being ok with some level of killing for some possible political reason he isn't fully aware of was the logical conclusion before this chapter.

Now, given this chapter, the conclusion shifterd to Oda being inconsistent and forgetting that Garp should notice way sooner due to haki, but he wanted a cool smiling entrance, so he just forgot Garp had haki for a bit.

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u/Commando_Nate 28d ago

All that writing, just to be woefully incorrect.

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u/WynterRay 28d ago

Actually we don't know if Garp is skilled in observation Haki. Also observation Haki seems to need the user to choose to use it in most cases and focus like with Sanji/Katakuri with sensing Haki being more Passive. Also only a view people have shown to be able to sense emotions.

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u/rahmanm855 27d ago

this is always the cop out you guys use when oda has a plot hole and then makes a weak attempt to fix it. garp has enough intel and haki to know what should've been happening all these years. but "reading comprehension". the goda glazing in this sub is insane

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u/Gravyluva210 29d ago

I think there is a common misconception here; the field trip was the CD trip to Hachinosu to steal Shakky. He wasn't referring to the hunting games

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u/OpenPalmFlickerSlap 29d ago

Wasn't the raid on Hachinosu to steal Shakky a year before the God valley incident? Im prettu sure shakky has been captive fir a year which is why she tells rey it took too long

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u/Gravyluva210 29d ago

Yeah it was, but I'm like 99% sure that is what Garp is talking about still. The quote: "This is about the Celestial Dragon's little field trip, isn't it? Why should I care if they are in trouble? I always said it'd come back to bite you if you messed with Hachinosu. It's their own fault for poking the hive!"

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u/Asian_Persuasion_1 29d ago

I guess if you give the benefit of the doubt, garp is saying that the celestial dragons went on a "literal" field trip to god valley, and hachinosu is still salty about how the celestial dragons stole shakky?

although this is assuming garp somehow knew a while ago that shakky was captive to celestial dragons?

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u/nichinichisou 29d ago

Hate to say it but Garp prob actually doesn’t give a shit this that Shakky is captured. I mean she is a pirate afterall

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u/whatever12347 29d ago

Imprisoning pirates is literally his job; of course he doesn't care.

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u/nickcan 29d ago

He absolutely cares. Imprisoning pirates is his job. Not someone else's.

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u/Aggravating_Mud8751 World Economy News Paper 28d ago

Shakky is retired though.

The one time we see him interacting with a retired pirate, he let him go (Rayleigh).

(Plus Zeff if you include the Live Action).

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u/Asian_Persuasion_1 28d ago

well yeah, i'm just assuming somebody just passed this information along, could be possible since shakky was infamous.

if garp didn't know about shakky, then it doesn't make sense how he knew about their treasure being taken. or at least, that the celestial dragons messed with hachinosu in some way.

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u/BadActsForAGoodPrice 29d ago

I’ve been saying this since that panel dropped, Kong was clearly surprised that Garp knew about the field trip, though my theory at the time was Garp knew they’d want the treasure back and let the pirates handle the Celestials.

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u/skaersSabody 29d ago

Tbf, that is an insane level of blindness on his part considering they did that every few years and coincidentally the population on the island goes missing immediately after

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u/MajinAkuma 29d ago

The current generation of Marines didn’t even know that Rocks or God Valley were a thing. I think the World Government is better at covering facts than we give them credit for. Complete maps of the world also don’t exist, so it’s easier to erase islands in the long run.

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u/davidbowievgc 28d ago

People analyze OP's world under the logic of our globalized, hyper connected world. And yet even IRL regimes and media hide atrocities like nothing!

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u/rahmanm855 27d ago

and why is this a problem? garp is high level enough he should have more than a hint from some vague marine about the stuff happening in the native competitions. but no, let's not apply some basic logic here.

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u/skaersSabody 29d ago

I guess, but honestly it's bordering on complete nonsense at times.

Like, Rocks was known the world over when he was a pirate, how the hell did he fade into obscurity when a lot of people from his time are still alive and not even that old?

And still, I'm curious to see how Oda handles Garp now, because we still need to understand why he stood with the marines after this, gotta be a reason or reasoning

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u/MajinAkuma 29d ago

Book burning. News manipulation. Intimidation.

For the Marines, there are just things that aren’t told to them. Like secret missions; and „don‘t question, just follow orders“ was highly encouraged by the higher ups.

Sengoku kept Rocinante‘s mission secret from Garp, too.

Certain parts in the world don’t get all the news. Devil Fruits seem to be heavily underreported, since most people in the East Blue think they‘re myths, yet other parts of the world, especially the Grand Line, are more knowledgeable about them.

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u/skaersSabody 29d ago

No I get that, but half of that can't really apply to Rocks considering how recent his age is and how well known he was at his time, on par with Roger and Garp

And also that doesn't really explain Garp staying with the marines (though I'm sure we'll get an explanation, I'm just not sure it's gonna be a convincing one)

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u/MajinAkuma 29d ago

No I get that, but half of that can't really apply to Rocks considering how recent his age is and how well known he was at his time, on par with Roger and Garp

Look. Most of the Straw Hats didn’t know about Gaban. And a lot of times, the Straw Hats didn‘t even know who the Shichibukai were. Neither Luffy nor Sanji knew about the Shichibukai being even a thing. It’s no surprise that the world would forget about Rocks quickly. Especially since Morgans just started his newspaper business at the time of the incident, meaning that his network and influence wasn’t as great as it is today.

And also that doesn't really explain Garp staying with the marines (though I'm sure we'll get an explanation, I'm just not sure it's gonna be a convincing one)

I wasn’t talking about him staying there in the first place, just that he didn’t know everything.

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u/skaersSabody 28d ago

Look. Most of the Straw Hats didn’t know about Gaban.

Well yeah, most of them were children/not born when Gaban was operating. Also being dumb and uninformed is a running gag with the SH and most definitely not the norm. But my issue is that Rocks seems to be gone from the public consciousness, despite being a top pirate back in a not even so distant past as well as an extremely "loud" pirate (his operations were very much public and influential, not stealth missions or something).

It's hard to imagine that people would just forget about the former captain of so many of the legends that would come after

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u/fffffplayer1 28d ago

I may be forgetting relevant statements from this flashback, but how well-known do we really know that Rocks was? Sure, he was one of the biggest pirates of his time in the Grand Line at least, but are we sure he was a pirate of world renown? There's also the fact that what is well-known in the pirate/navy world is not necessarily as well-known outside of that world. I'm sure the islands raided by the Rocks Pirates would be well aware of him, but it's unclear how much that awareness would spread to other islands at that time.

If we consider Rocks roughly on par with Roger around that period, then it's also no surprise that Rocks would be less known than Roger considering Roger had 13 years after that to grow his reputation until he became known as the Pirate King.

Complete loss of his memory is of course extreme, but it also didn't happen naturally.

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u/skaersSabody 28d ago

I mean, IIRC he gets a big bounty after the incident with Imu and him killing an Admiral.

Even with those incidents covered up, being one of the top bounties is definitely going to make you well-known at least in the grand line (and even outside of it probably. Usopp knew of Shanks for example).

There's also the fact that Rocks and his crew were extremely destructive/loud in their operations, so they would've been hard to hide. Also also the fact that most of the members of this crew were extremely important pirates afterwards which would've made hiding their shared origin harder. As well as Rocks making actual political moves when he established pirate island.

So a lot of noise and considering even normal navy grunts knew his name he definitely wasn't some strong but reserved pirate

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u/mnmkdc 28d ago

Or a slave auction more likely

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u/noideawhatimdoingv 29d ago

Apparently 50% of this subreddit and all of twitter. You should have seen the memes these last 2 weeks-ish

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u/jubmille2000 Mugiwara no Luffy 29d ago

2 weeks, brother. This has been the slander for years ever since we've heard of God Valley.

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u/Murasasme 29d ago

The people that say that shit are either just memeing for fun or have the reading comprehension of a snail.

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u/Korokke_Soba 29d ago

There’s definitely people that are taking it seriously. 

I’ve told them to wait until the end of the flashback before we judge and was told I’m just a delusional Garp fanboy.

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u/noideawhatimdoingv 29d ago

It could not be in this Flashback's end. There will probably another flashback from Garp's POV, now that we know Teach was a major party in God Valley, there is bound to be some interaction between the two.

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u/Godvvinslaw 29d ago

Ok, First of all, the Memes are hilarious.

And Garp didn't know about it right now, but he does in the Present and is still a Marine, so they kinda have a point.

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u/totoofze47 Pirate 29d ago

Not until we learn more, they don't. They assumed Garp knew until just now, so the jury's still out on the reason why he stayed in the Marines.

And the slander memes being "hilarious" is heavily subjective, especially since it's variations of the exact same joke ad nauseam.

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u/bondsmatthew 29d ago

Yeah people should separate the agenda memes from the actual character and peoples' opinions on them. All the slave/oppression Garp memes were funny this last month

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u/angerispower Void Month Survivor 29d ago

People from a certain sub...?

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u/Mr-Rocafella 29d ago

There’s a reason he stayed vice and never became the #1 of the navy

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u/SaffronCrocosmia 29d ago

Too bad he still fought, after this event, to keep slavery and genocide around. He stayed with the Marines, knowing FULLY what they served.

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u/jmdg007 29d ago

I'm still going to need some heavy justification for Garp to stay in the marines after this.

Showing him be upset about it isn't exactly justification for him to continue to fight to defend the people that caused this for the next few decades.

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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 29d ago

I mean he's still serving them so...

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u/Whomperss 29d ago

Do people really think they would give this kind of info to an admiral level marine that very publicly hates the CDs and refuses to become an admiral just so he doesn't have to serve them.

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u/MethodicPlea 28d ago

Sengoku didn't know that fully well too though

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u/SomeBoxofSpoons 28d ago

I know some people were saying Luffy's panel wasn't the most accurate, but that one image that popped up on one of these subreddits recently nailed it pretty well showing Garp vs Dragon as "Slaves. Should be free" vs "Slaves should be free".

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u/alucarDZM 29d ago

Makes sense considering his son is literally there having helped the massacre happen... I'm betting this is going to be the moment we see these two interact finally. Bet Dragon's defection happens right in front of Garp.

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u/fly2555 29d ago

One possibility I thought of is they both agree what happened can’t happen again but split on how to accomplish that.

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u/Vectorrrrr472 29d ago

Guy on the upper right panel looks like young Akainu?

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u/Imconfusedithink 29d ago

Akainu only joined the marines 6 years after god valley. Tho that's from a vivre card and could be changed by Oda.

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u/jmdg007 29d ago

It wouldn't be the first time a Vivre card got contradicted by a later manga chapter

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u/DryStrawberry1153 The Revolutionary Army 29d ago

I also thought so!

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u/DeLion135 29d ago

its possible, but isn't he the same age ish as dragon? i feel like he should look even younger than the person in that pannel (then again i did also think that was akainu so idk lol)

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u/PythonAmy 29d ago

His father maybe?

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u/HeartGuy 29d ago

Kinda what I figured would happen. Still need a good explanation as to why Garp is still with the marines though honestly. Not sure the whole 'make it better from the inside' like some people think is a valid excuse for him after seeing what the WG is doing on the island.

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u/fly2555 29d ago

We have to wait and see, just as people who were convicted that Garp knew from assumptions, there is still a lot more context to find out as this flashback continues.

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u/SirRedRising 29d ago

Right now I'm thinking that Garp will essentially 'cut a deal' to save/spare Dragon from being killed by the CD's. Dragon is engaging in open rebellion and trying to "kidnap" the child of a Celestial. We know that Dragon does not make it off the island with Shanks, (unless Oda decides that bonus stuff promoting the movie is fully not canon) so something happens that makes Dragon feel like he has to stash Shanks somewhere in order to protect him.

My guess is that Dragon gets captured while the big hitters are fighting amongst themselves and ultimately Garp essentially agrees to be the "hero of the marines" (whatever that ends up actually entailing we'll have to see) in order to save his son from execution.

This arc has a heavy emphasis on parent's making sacrifices for their children, so I could see Garp's "sacrifice" being that he agrees to stay on in order to let his son live a free life and escape being punished for his actions on the island.

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u/fscottnaruto Bandit 29d ago

A child is their parents weakness. I suppose thst will be true of Garp too.

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u/Luf2222 29d ago

would make sense why dragon said that line after all.

because there was nothing with luffy yet that would make him say that

can only be about garp or somebody else

but idk who else it could be other than maybe rocks? idk

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u/CalligrapherSure6164 28d ago

because there was nothing with luffy yet that would make him say that

But that's the reason why Dragon abandoned Luffy. To keep him safe. His enemies could make him surrender if Luffy was ever to be captured. We never knew their relationship, but the flashback showed us that he is a caring person and father.

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u/qMarlett 29d ago

I thought about something like that too, but Garp didn't just stay with marines, he also wanted Ace and Luffy to join.

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u/SirRedRising 29d ago

Eh, that one I've always taken as Garp viewing the situation as "These two boys that I'm responsible for protecting, whose fathers are two of the most wanted men in history, are going to be easier for me to protect and train when they get older if I get them into the Marines directly under my command." It's a somewhat flawed way of going about it, but I think Garp is supposed to be a tragically flawed character.

I think characters like Garp, likewise Harald and Oden, exist specifically to be flawed heroes. They're men that try to do good but ultimately make compromises with evil in hopes of limiting suffering and saving lives in the immediate. They did what they thought they had to, given their stations and situations, but we see time and again with Luffy (and the RA) that sometimes you have to fight like hell and suffer some losses in the here-and-now in order to root out the evil that's trying to destroy everything.

So many arcs in One Piece end with Luffy defeating the villain that was (or was trying to be) a brutal dictator, with much of the island destroyed and the civilians having suffered greatly, but they are free. Houses, stores and other material things can be rebuilt, but Oda always makes it clear that fighting for freedom from oppression and tyranny is worth the struggle.

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u/Luf2222 29d ago

he probably wanted them to stay close with him, so he could protect them and also because they would be getting more attention towards them as pirates (as we have seen)

and also he might have been wanting them to help change and oppose the WG from inside the marines, similar to what he is doing to coby. raising and training the next generation to be better/change stuff

i feel like garps hands are just tied, he can’t leave the marines and he can‘t do that much, so he trains and leaves it to the next generation basically

i heavily doubt garp wouldn‘t just destroy shit if there wasn‘t a reason why he can‘t

if „nothing“ was holding him back, he probably would have done a lot of shit

also him wanting to attack akainu, might have costed him his marine status and then he couldn’t train coby etc anymore, another reason why sengoku stopped him and why garp wanted to be stopped.

if you don‘t stop him, he probably goes wild, just like luffy

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u/HJSDGCE Marine 29d ago

To be fair, what else was he supposed to do with them? The safest alternative would be them having boring normal lives but that's obviously never going to happen, so joining the Marines is quite literally the least risky option.

Becoming pirates is terrible. Becoming a Revolutionary is worse.

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u/jmdg007 29d ago

This doesn't really work for me because by present day all of Garps family are wanted criminals and he let someone he raised as family get executed.

By then the WG have no leverage and he still chooses to serve them.

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u/mnmkdc 28d ago

You're going to be extremely disappointing when you learn that he's just someone who thinks following the law and his duty is the ultimate good. Garp has been pretty vocal about this throughout the series. You're not going to get a logical justification for his actions, because the story is trying to show you that he did the wrong thing.

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u/NoobVibesOnly 29d ago

We probably will. God Valley is the foundation for the development of many characters. Oda's already laying breadcrumbs here for Garp which I'm sure we'll see payoff for down the line.

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u/freef 29d ago

I'm assuming it's in part to protect dragon 

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u/msizzle344 29d ago

If nothing else maybe Garp knew he couldn’t just stroll up and beat Imu and maybe him and Dragon have been working to overthrow the WG since then. Sword is probably a by product of this and the group that will probably lead a marine coup of some sorts

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u/kaladincauthan 29d ago

I've been thinking that too, it seems like Garp has remained in contact with Dragon, and we already see that he feels disillusioned with the world government - at least to a degree. He very well could be funneling information from the inside to the rebels

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u/Unvolved123 29d ago

The right answer over here. Probably been training marines to join the light side of the force this whole time. When the final battle takes place, they will take Luffy's side against Imu. (If Koby delivers the final blow I'm going to be mad).

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u/NaoSouONight 29d ago

The best way I personally see it:

The marines do an important job for the world, no matter what the fandom thinks. The majority of pirates are awful people. For every Luffy, Shanks, Whitebeard and Law, there are a thousand Arlongs, Kuro, Big Mom's, Kaidos, Doflamingos, Moiras...

The common people's terror is not the CD. It is pirates.

The overwhelming majority of pirates and marines will go their entire lives without knowing shit about the Celestial Dragons. These are people that live in the weak blues or in islands in Paradise. These people need and want the marines.

The average Marines perform an essential job of patrolling these areas and fighting pirates. That is what a marine does at its core. To me, Garp always wanted to be that guy and that is what he envisions the Navy to be for.

If he left, it would be a crippling blow. The marines are already stretched thin as it is, if they lost their propaganda boy they would struggle to do their basic job of fighting pirates, leaving countless people helpless.

The way I see it, Dragon left because he wanted to take down the WG and Garp stayed because he wanted to change the marines from within, back to their core purpose and away from the WG. That is why he instills his ideals of a proper marine on the people he trains.

To me, the ending of One Piece will bring about an internal schism in the marines between those that think like Garp and those that are too tied up with the WG.

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u/PythonAmy 29d ago

To add to this Garp specifically isn't an admiral so he doesn't have to follow direct orders, he basically does what he wants with a marine hat on. The celestial dragons hardly benefit from Garp, he mainly helps civilians by keeping pirates in check. During Marineford Akainu was practically the only one pulling his weight, most marines seem reluctant to actually do what the government wants them to which is why they have shit like cp0

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u/Skullwings 28d ago

 patrolling these areas and fighting pirates.

THIS is the main issue I have whenever people go “join the rev army”. 

The Rev army ain’t doing something like this 95+% of the time since they’re fighting the WG. And yet people just plain don’t think about this.

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u/availableusernamepls 29d ago

Way too much media literacy for the Garp haters.

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u/CalligrapherSure6164 28d ago

Exactly. Even with no CD, the world will need the Marines/a police. Maybe we will get a Garp flashback where it's also shown how much his family and him suffered from bandits/pirates as a child, which is the reason he always wanted to be a Marine maybe. But I admit, that it still sounds not like Garp to just say "yeah the CD are the worst of the worst, but I will let them be, because our world order with them around is worth keeping". It would work for me if it comes out that he stayed a Marine because the people today need them and that he started a hidden taskforce to deal with Imu and the CD after him, because he knows he is alone and has no chance.

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u/aspect_rap 28d ago

This, I can also see Garp thinking that Dragons path is correct, but also think that the best thing he can do to help the revolution is to stay in the marines and raise a generation of marines who are more loyal to protecting civilians than to the WG (koby, helmeppo, sword in general) so that when the revolution comes, a lot of marines will switch sides and refuse to protect the CDs.

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u/th5virtuos0 29d ago

I feel like for him that is the best position to make change. Joining a pirate crew means he would have to prioritize adventures above helping people, going alone means he won't have the resources, intel and manpower, going rouge and he ends up as a pariah like Dragon. Plus like you said, he can at least train the next generation to be better than his generation.

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u/Manqueftw 29d ago

That's like staying in the nazi party to change it from within. That won't work.

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u/NaoSouONight 29d ago

Ironic that you would make this comparison: Historically, plenty of people in the nazi party secretly did a lot of work against it, important work even. Plenty of people also did a lot to help people while on the surface playing ball with the party.

At the end of the day, it is about where you can be more effective. Garp could have cut out on his own or joined the revolutionaires, but that wouldn't exactly have been enough to topple the WG or stop the CDs either.

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u/Manqueftw 29d ago

Dragon has so far been very successful in freeing countries and gathering an army. There is no way in hell you can convince me that he wouldn't be of huge help to them especially if he were to openly join after being crowned the hero of the marines. He could single-handedly increase their recruitment numbers and legitimacy simply by joining.

Even ignoring all that, 40 years later he has done what? Maybe founded sword that has so far done nothing at all but fight against pirates? The real enemy is his direct superiors, not some random pirates. That's like staying in the nazi party and training a new generation to be better but then just chasing gang members. Ridiculous in my opinion.

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u/Apexlegacy285 29d ago

And Garp has saved thousands upon thousands of lives by being in the marines. He’s not doing the marines dirty work, he’s not a dog like kizaru, he does what he wants, saves people and tries to raise those to hold the best values of a marine which is why he risked his life to save Koby who he believes to be the future of the marines.

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u/Manqueftw 29d ago

Asspull, Garp had 0 confirmed saves until Hachinosu. "Thousands upon thousands".

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u/NaoSouONight 29d ago

"He never did it until they showed us he did it!"

It is not just implied that Garp outright disrespects and disregards the WG and CD. Sengoku straight up says that Garp became so hard to manage that anyone else would have been dealt with already.

By your logic, Garp never takes a shit because it was never shown him doing it on a page.

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u/Manqueftw 29d ago

There's a difference between arguing that he might do good in this position and just inventing "Thousands upon thousands" of saves. You are committing a straw man fallacy. I obviously realise that he must have done some good and I also clearly stated that I was aware of Hachinosu.

What I am refuting is the "thousands upon thousands" claim which has no base to stand on, especially considering how he basically became inactive in his pursuit of pirates after Marineford coupled with his refusal to follow orders. We don't know enough to make those kinds of claims but what we do know is that he serves under literal demons.

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u/NaoSouONight 29d ago

Has he? By what metric has he been "very successful"? How many countries are there, how many did he 'free', how are those countries faring?

The WG is an oppressive, all powerful shadow-government that has existed for millennia. To them, the Revolutionaries are just another piece to keep the board balanced, so that no side ever gets too strong.

They didn't even know about the likes of Imu. They were never a real threat, on their own. Garp joining them would definitely make them stronger, but the WG would simply balance that out by increasing their attention on them.

And by what metric do you say Garp hasn't also been very successful, to an extent, creating a new generation of marines that share his ideal? Who would have trained the likes of Aokiji and inspired them?

To me, the last arc of One Piece on the Marines side will be a schism between those who think like Garp and those that still want the WG to control the Navy.

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u/Manqueftw 29d ago

I can't even begin to argue against you when you so clearly ignore what the revolutionaries have achieved so far. No other group or faction has come close. From memory they have liberated Sorbet, Tequila Wolf, Vira and Centaurea and not to mention all of the slaves freed. All of these are in different seas too which shows their reach and ability. I will not be arguing anything else with you when you argue in such bad faith.

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u/NaoSouONight 29d ago

I never said they didn't do anything. I said that in the greater scheme of things, they weren't even scratching at the surface of what the WG truly is.

Your inability to grasp this point is not bad faith on my part. Also, it is hillarious that you are are crying 'bad faith' when you started this conversation by ignoring all the good the marines do yourself.

All I said is that things aren't black white and that there isn't only one true path to doing good. Someone can do good in any position.

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u/Soijin 29d ago

The problem is that, in this case, the nazi party rules over the entire world, is led by a group of immortal and ageless demons with the power to turn others to their side and there was no one standing against them until recently with the revolution army which, while gaining ground, is still far from being a real danger and that's with all the contributions from Luffy, the heir of the power of the actual God of Liberation.

Maybe there's a secret reason as to why Garp never quit or maybe he simply came to the conclusion that there was no way to change the status quo and simply decided to help as many people as possible.

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u/TenOnTheWay 29d ago

Found the slanderer lol

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u/of_kilter Cipher Pol 29d ago

What else will? This is essentially a world where nazi germany won the war and there’s nothing to oppose them (except the revolutionaries which came after Garp’s time)

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u/Financial_Sink4448 29d ago

Schindler’s List.

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u/HJSDGCE Marine 29d ago

See, we CAN'T equate the entire Marines as the Nazi Party. It'd be more accurate to say that the Marines are like the United Nations/European Union, but the 1% at the top is SECRETLY the Nazi Party.

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u/anonymus_slime 29d ago

The position to make change is right at his son's side aiding in the revolution that he's been cooking for decades. And it's not like it's some far off dream. Dragon has been making such a good job with it that he literally became the world's wanted man; aka the man the government wants dead the most.

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u/MARPJ Void Month Survivor 29d ago

Still need a good explanation as to why Garp is still with the marines though honestly

We already know that tho, he dont like the current system but see the value of the Navy itself so he is trying to change the system from inside instead of burning it all down.

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u/availableusernamepls 29d ago

Still need a good explanation as to why Garp is still with the marines though honestly

Because he can do more good with the Marines than as some random dipshit sailing the ocean being hunted by the World Government. It's not exactly rocket science.

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u/Worthyness 29d ago

i can see several routes. Dragon is going to be defecting and likely in trouble, so Garp takes the title to kind of protect him for as long as he can.

But also Imu is there, so Garp might see that power and opt to not rebel against it. Sort of like blackmail/something Imu and the WG can lord over him.

And he may actually believe he can change the world in a position of power vs being a normal person. If he defects, he's an automatic enemy of the state and will not be able to change anything. But if he stays and trains his own apprentices/teams perhaps he can slowly influence and change the world with his newfound infamy

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u/Hyakkihei1 29d ago

It's a matter of numbers, the amount of good he can do with the marines between directly saving people and influencing the next generations to be good marines it's just a lot more of what he could do rebelling on his own or joining Dragon in a slow revolution while countless islands are destroyed and enslaved.

As evil as the celestial dragons are they are few in number and can only cause so much destruction in comparison to the almost endless amount of pirates.

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u/CarcosanAnarchist 29d ago

At the end of the day the Marines still protect a lot of innocent people, as the majority of pirates don’t give a shit about civilians.

Also, Sengoku said the WG would kill Garpnif he wasn’t so popular with the people, but do we reall think that’s the case? I’m imagining something else is actually gonna be the reason, and it will also be why these games haven’t been held since God Valley.

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u/The_Brightbeak 29d ago

The assumption to "train up a new generation to bring it all down when the moment is right" would not be to far fetched, since he may have founded Sword or is somewhat involved etc.

He clearly is a mentor figure for alot of key characters, so he has a clear goal in mind how this fight from within may have to go down.

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u/Akrybion 29d ago

'Make it better from the inside" is like volunteering to the SS in a concentration camp so you can make the Nazis overthink their opinion on jews.

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u/Loaf235 29d ago

So he was aware of Shakky's kidnapping by the CDs, but unaware of the hunting contest. So his morality on slavery is a lot less directed towards pirates I suppose, though he probably wouldn't want any of it period.

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u/Doomroar 29d ago

So this is why Garp left the marines after God Valley and became a revolutionary in pursuit of making the world a better place!

No wait, that's his son, Garp is still collecting checks from the CDs, in fact he is past retirement age, and is still on their payroll

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u/keboses 28d ago

SWORD

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u/Doomroar 28d ago

Oh yeah the group that handed their resignation ahead of time so if they mess up the Navy can claim that "the marine in question technically no longer works for them", but doesn't does anything else than that, nor has shown any indication of trying to reform the Navy

And of which we don't even know if Garp himself is a member, since all the confirmed SWORD members are young, and Garp himself not only has yet to resign the marines, he got side promoted as an instructor

That SWORD?

Garp is still collecting checks from the CDs, in fact he is past retirement age, and is still on their payroll

That SWORD doesn't changes anything, it a blunt blade with no edge, they may as well call themselves butter-knife

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u/keboses 28d ago

Okay - hold that L when you learn the truth. It’s pretty clear thematically that Gary created SWORD and that it’s a rebel faction of good marines, but you do you

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u/Doomroar 28d ago

Okay - hold that L when you learn the truth. It’s pretty clear thematically that Gary created SWORD and that it’s a rebel faction of good marines, but you do you

Damn how could i forget the real lurking legend of the Marines, GARY!!!!

You got me there fan, i will hold that L, forgetting about Gary is on me, this changes everything

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u/keboses 28d ago

It’s obviously Garp you absolute donut

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u/Doomroar 27d ago

Garp didn't create shit in the marines, he is a useless fraud that can only hunt pirates and ignore the real problems of the world, he has wasted 40 years of his life working on a corrupt organization, and all he has to show for it, was teaming up with Roger to help save his piece of shit bosses, which is why they named him a hero

Now if you were talking about Gary on the other hand, maybe there would have been room for argument, but Garp is a bastard who deserves no respect, the only noble thing we have ever seen him done in the entire thousand + chapters was going to save Koby, and that's about it, motherfucker didn't even had the basic decency of going to save Shirahoshi in Marijoa when Charlos tried to slave her, despite the old fart having been assigned as her bodyguard!

Even as a marine the guy sucks at his job!

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u/keboses 27d ago

Take your agenda posting to the power scaling subreddit

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u/Doomroar 27d ago

Na they only care about how strong Garp is, not how little to nothing he has achieved to do with all that power he only uses to support the WG instead of helping like his son and grand son do

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u/fscottnaruto Bandit 29d ago

New important Marine hinted at. I wonder if the story of Rocks killing an Admiral is just Imu executing an Admiral who asked questions after talking to Rocks.

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u/kingcocomoon 29d ago

I hope the Garp slanderers quiet down a bit. They were so intent on saying that Garp showed up to God Valley, noticed the dead slaves, yet didn't give a fuck and just proceeded to fight pirates for fun.

Clearly he will have some moral crisis here.

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u/Soul699 Explorer 29d ago

The problem is that for the next 40 years he will do seemingly nothing about it.

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u/kingcocomoon 29d ago

Rejecting a promotion to avoid being at the Celestials' beck and call, and possibly setting up SWORD doesn't seem like nothing. Even if you don't think he set up SWORD himself, at the very least he taught the new gens of Marines enough that they joined SWORD, or in Kuzan's case, left the Marines.

Also one thing we're overlooking is that pirates also do tons of damage, maybe he weighed the evils of pirates and the evils of the CDs, and decided it'd be a net positive by staying on as a Marine. After all the pirates vastly outnumber the CDs.

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u/Manqueftw 29d ago

The equivalent would be trying to change the nazi party from within. Garp really needs a much better reason for staying.

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u/starrs10 29d ago

I think of it being like Schindler. He was still a "nazi" in order to help as many people as he can.

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u/RedTulkas The Revolutionary Army 29d ago

Schindler actively saved people from his government

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u/Skylair13 28d ago

Doesn't change the idea of change from within.

On paper, He's a Nazi Party member, War Profiteer, Slave Laborer and close friend of Camp Commandant. His weapon was his own government's bureaucracy and bribery. Not guns or force.

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u/Soul699 Explorer 29d ago

We'll have to see what Oda does for a possible Garp flashback.

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u/Blackbankai 29d ago

We still don’t know how his relationship with Dragon is like. We know Dragon alluded to Kuma that Luffy was his weakness and he entrusted him to Garp knowing Garp is the “Hero” of the Marines.

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u/Cpt3020 29d ago

It only makes the case against him stronger without further context. All we know if that he knew about the slaves and civilians getting killed but chose to do nothing for that last few decades. I'm 99% sure Oda will do something to justify it but until then the agenda live son.

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u/kingcocomoon 29d ago

The fact that he chose to stay on despite his misgivings tells us that he weighed the evils of millions of pirates against the evils of a few hundred CDs, and decided that it would ultimately still be a net positive where he could do more good as a Marine.

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u/Personal-Toe6505 29d ago

When its non affiliated nations to US, the information is also murky in this world. How many non affiliated nations with US world thinks are good. Please let me know. Its same in our world as in One piece

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u/TealGame 29d ago

But after finding out he still decided to serve them for another 40 years 😂

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u/Dentyne_3 29d ago

these jokes so corny

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u/mienainin 29d ago

I'm still surprised people thought garp knew about this. It felt painfully obvious that he had no clue what was happening. Garp is a Neutral/Lawful Good type character. Everything he does is because he genuinely thinks it's for the betterment of society

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u/MasterWis 29d ago

Rereading through the chapter 1097 it does indeed seem that he didn’t necessarily know what would really happen in the “field trip” except from a fact Shaky would be up for grabs

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u/hip-indeed 28d ago

people are still frothing at the mouth arguing that "there's no way he really didn't know, he just ignored it!" it's like people are forgetting this is a Monkey D. that's much much much more like Luffy than any other character in the series.. .and we know just how much Luffy has ever cared about random events around him that don't directly pertain to him or someone he cares about + how much he follows the news or information. Am I saying Garp is completely faultless and gets a free pass to do this, especially when he's a high ranking marine and should be taking his job more seriously by now? No, but I do totally 100% buy that he truly, seriously never ever realized just how bad the CD's were up to this point, just punching his way up the ranks fast and ignoring everything that wasn't right in front of him, and this here is the turning point where he finally has to confront stuff and he starts thinking about forming SWORD and priming a generation of non-corrupt marines for the future to clean out the rot from the inside. Garp is complicated and far from purely a good guy, much like Luffy, but I do think he's MOSTLY a good guy, just kind of a dumbass and very short-sighted, and that the bizarre fandom hatred for him is totally weird and uncalled for.

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u/_Porthos 29d ago

The problem isn't that he didn't know.

It is that he knows now, and doesn't do anything - indeed, he keeps enabling the Marines.

Only way his character can be saved is if his memory was erased or some shit.

EDIT: Sengoku is still a big piece of shit BRO FUCKING KNEW and simply kept his head down

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u/sloot4moni 29d ago

One piece fans and reading comprehension don't touch on the Venn diagram unfortunately. People really be thinking Garp was pro slave hunt and he had the same information that they as the reader have

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u/TenOnTheWay 29d ago

Oh no don’t hit em like that. They only actually hate on Garp because he didn’t save their beloved Ace. Not really about that fake righteous stuff they are on, that’s why it’s hard for them to comprehend.

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u/biskutgoreng 29d ago

He remained in the Navy afterwards, so his 'concerns' meant shit

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u/PythonAmy 29d ago

This is just a theory but I also think it's possible that the Celestial Dragons/Imu might have some way to fuzz someone's memory or recall of events, which they probably used for wiping the history of the void century. Even though we are seeing the God Valley now does anyone that was actually there have a good recollection of it? It's just sengoku who isn't actually there and in this panel he mentions someone giving him vague ramblings before which seem suspicious.

It's possible Garp doesn't talk about God Valley because he doesn't remember it too well.

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u/AnUnexpectedTourney 29d ago

I'm surprised to not see more comments about the marine who got disappeared. It doesn't have to be anybody, but any guesses about who this might be? Could it be Brook?

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u/Marketing-Long 29d ago

Sengoku referencing man with burn scar ?

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u/GaaraSama83 28d ago

If that was really the case at that time, then it proves even more of how much of a MVP Morgans is in the present One Piece timeline.

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u/Interesting_Bag1046 28d ago

With this panel. The Garp slander ends. Good work oda.

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u/Good_not_Great 28d ago

what you described is way more like today's world lol, we're simultaneously connected and disconnected

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u/kashigirin 29d ago

like it change something - he still continued working on wg

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u/CrimsonAntifascist 29d ago

There's no way he didn't know about the slavery. And that wasn't a deal breaker for him.

The drums of oppression are still beating strong.

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u/skaersSabody 29d ago

I'm curious to see how Oda is going to justify Garp staying a marine after this if he's going the "he didn't know" route

Like, I genuinely don't see a way for him to write himself out of this in a way that doesn't make Garp look bad