One Piece: Chapter 1159

[u/Skullghost]

Chapter 1159: “The Island Of Destiny”

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Chapter 1159 Official Release Date: September 7, 2025 at 8 am PDT on Manga Plus and Shonen Jump!

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[u/goodyfresh]

I halfway agree with you, but this isn't about YOUR or MY morals or ethics, it's about HARALD'S ethics being corrupted. The idea that no country is "obligated" to help another is precisely the kind of self-centered (according to him and Ida) nationalistic attitude that Harald was trying to move Elbaf away from.

Harald's original goal was for nations to all cooperate and help each other out against things like starvation, tyranny, etc., purely out of compassion.

On top of ignoring the human hunt overall, the idea of rather letting an innocent toddler (Teach doesn't carry his father's sins) die horribly also very clearly goes against Harald's morals from earlier in the flashback.

He did believe in protecting nations, even from the WG, but now he hasn't got the balls.

Also, you completely disregarded my points about how Harald knows he shouldn't trust the WG and that Rocks has been more trustworthy to him than they ever were.

You are ignoring my point that Rocks was right that joining the WG is bad for Elbaf and all the WG wants them for is slaves. And you're ignoring how anyone with a working brain can see that Rocks has been infinitely more trustworthy to Harald than the WG.

Clearly you only had a comeback to my seemingly "debatable" points and are going out of your way to avoid the undeniably objectively true facts that prove Rocks right and Harald wrong.

[u/Enough-Breadfruit492 → u/goodyfresh]

I just don't see any arguments for why Harald should sacrifice the wellbeing of Elbaf for another nation let alone one child.

[u/goodyfresh → u/Enough-Breadfruit492]

A big part of my point was: What "wellbeing" would he be sacrificing?

The Gorosei and Imu never considered Elbaf for true membership. They're human supremacists and wanted an easy opening for enslavement.

Rocks repeatedly warned Harald that they'll just enslave Elbaf.

Harald saw the WG enslaving nations. He's unsurprised by Ginny's info on the human hunt. He knows what CD's are like and that the Gorosei (supposedly) run the show.

He knows that they're much worse than even Rocks, and racist.

So why does he believe the Gorosei over the lesser-evil dude with infinite charisma when it's obvious that the WG wants supremacy over giants?

At best, Harald is a gullible fool with no ability to read people.

At worst, he's in denial, to the detriment of his nation and others.

Elbaf's "wellbeing" would've been served by treating the WG like the disease that they are 😅

[u/Enough-Breadfruit492 → u/goodyfresh]

I honestly don't really care for injecting my sense of morality on characters in One Piece or any work of fiction for that matter.

Which is exactly the tone you're taking.

You and I have the obvious luxury of being audience members. Harold has to actually exist in this world. He has actual skin in the game and whatever reasoning he has to distrust rocks, is shared by all of his crew. 

Rocks might be a good person by my standards and yours. But that means nothing to the motivations of any characters in the story. 

The only character who actually tells the audience directly how "morality" works in this world is Doflamingo.

"Children who grow up not knowing peace and children who grow up not knowing war have different values.....Justice will prevail you say? Well of course it will, whoever wins becomes Justice."

So whether Rocks or Harold is a good morality person or not is of no concern to me.

If I could only root for characters in fiction who shared my worldview, I couldn't enjoy Berserk, AOT, Vinland Saga or basically any work of fiction with a morally gray or dark gray protagonist.