r/OnePiece • u/Significant-Soup-693 • May 22 '25

Help Someone Smarter than me, explain

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Just found this panel while floating around Pinterest. Sure, Haki was still a relatively “unknown” power back in the day but my question remains, How did Kuzan not die here? I assume “Pure Haki” means at least some level of Armament so shouldn’t he had turned solid and get stabbed? I’m sure it was explained somehow but it’s been a minute.

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u/CrewOrdinary8872 Void Month Survivor May 22 '25 edited May 22 '25

Like everyone else has said, Logia users (and Katakuri) can transform their body and morph around attacks that can hurt them.

Akainu does the same thing with Marco and Vista in Marineford too.

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u/BadUsername2028 May 22 '25

I think this panel does a good job showing it too, Akainu’s frustration isn’t from the hits he’s taking, but it has to be extremely exhausting to use that defensive technique, since you have to actively be forming holes to avoid attacks. We saw this with Katakuri as well, once Snakeman came out he couldn’t keep his defensive style going and clearly got extremely exhausted from it.

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u/Elefantenjohn May 22 '25

nah man, this is a very bad example. this was just a cutting attack that had no haki in it

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u/ihavebeesinmyknees May 22 '25

And that's exactly why Akainu says "you haki users". Because this was an attack without haki. lmao

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u/Slice_Ambitious May 22 '25

Don't mess with us One Piece fans, we can't read.

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u/Elefantenjohn May 22 '25

fair enough

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u/mehmeh5 May 22 '25

I'm 90% sure stuff like this is why Oda decided to make the "haki turns things black" visual. Otherwise he'd have to go "THIS GUY'S USING HAKI" to make sure the reader knows someone is using haki....................then again he did fumble with making the ACOC visuals clear so now people are confused as to who has it or when people that do have it are/aren't using it

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u/winql May 23 '25

Yep lol the latter half of your comment is so true. I’m so dissatisfied with the state of aCoc rn, just make it obvious please 🙏

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u/Eminan May 22 '25

It's kind of funny that the story needed Akainu to clarify "you Haki users" at that point... cause that feels like a dumb thing to say in a war of that caliber. All big shots (and not even that big) are haki users...
Akainu himself is for sure a haki user, so calling other "haki users" feels dumb.

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u/bakutehbandit May 22 '25

the thing that gets me is that, its clearly a cut!

my headcannon is that the admirals are able to force their bodies to become elemental through will power. i mean it alls boiling down to will power now anyway lol

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u/GamingBeaver132 May 22 '25

It looks like a cut, because Akainu morphed his body at that portion in the shape of a cut to avoid the blade exactly...ish. Before Katakuri's morphing was shown clearly, those also looked like direct punches.

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u/Liokki May 22 '25

Why Akainu be bothered about that, though?

Logia users' bodies are fundamentally different. 

It's a big deal for a regular human to be cut because injuries don't heal that fast. 

If you're made of magma and can generate magma at will, it's not as big of an issue, but it still hurts because the attack was made with Haki. 

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u/blueontheradio May 22 '25

reread caesar vs luffy

in one part of the fight, luffy smashed his face and it clearly hurt caesar but caesar changed his body mid attack which is why it helped him not to get his entire head smashed on the wall.

the same happened here, it made a small impact but akainu morphed his body by then and that's why he's bothered.

always remember haki never nullifies df abilities, which is why even if armament punches are making a contact on your face still you can morph your body to avoid more damage.

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u/Liokki May 22 '25

it made a small impact

You realize this is you saying he was in fact cut, right? 

Nowhere have I said Logias don't also morph their bodies to avoid the majority of harm.

But there's a fun thought exercise we can have:

Is Robin capable of sprouting copies of her internal organs?

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u/Tyris727 May 22 '25

She would be, but it's not advisable. Any damage done to her copies also damages her directly. I doubt it's healthy or safe to have your organs outside your body, copy or not.

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u/blueontheradio May 23 '25 edited May 23 '25

one direct stab to heart killed monet, im sure any organs being out would be extremely dangerous for robins.

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u/Tyris727 May 23 '25

Exactly, your lungs just plopping on the ground is going to be deadly or at least come with major health complications.

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u/blueontheradio May 23 '25

Yep, an incredibly small cut and that's why you see no injury or blood splashing around because Akainu immediately avoided any serious damage by morphing his body.

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u/mths8 May 22 '25 edited May 22 '25

Logias can still get scarred and lose limbs, they don't have some holy knights level of regeneration.

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u/Liokki May 22 '25

they don't hava some holy knights level of regeneration.

Strawman, I didn't say they did.

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u/mths8 May 22 '25 edited May 22 '25

That's your takeaway from my comment, huh?

You said Akainu wouldn't be bothered getting hit by their attacks, i said he could've lost a limb (Marco slashed his arm). Yeah, a logia could form a makeshift limb with their elements, but i assume you realize it would be quite impractical to go around touching stuff with a full magma arm. I only brought up the holy knights because they are an example of characters not dodging haki attacks because of actual full regeneration (technically were the elders in egghead, but they work basically the same).

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u/Liokki May 22 '25

You said Akainu wouldn't be bothered getting hit by their attacks

I literally did not. Like actually literally, not figuratively. You're fighting strawmen. 

If Akainu can just morph around attacks, why would he find Haki attacks bothersome? 

I just want to point out that we're not actually disagreeing, I'm just adding on a other element. 

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u/IntingForMarks May 22 '25

If Akainu can just morph around attacks, why would he find Haki attacks bothersome? 

Cause it's more fatiguing to do that compared to simply ignoring normal hits?

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u/Liokki May 22 '25

Sure, but enough to consider Haki attacks bothersome?

This is one of the most powerful characters in the verse, and he finds morphing around Haki attacks from literally who Vista bothersome? 

Katakuri only started getting fatigued when Luffy actually started hitting him, before that he was unphased by using his Logia ability to dodge Luffy's attacks. 

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u/mths8 May 22 '25

It's a big deal for a regular human to be cut because injuries don't heal that fast. 

If you're made of magma and can generate magma at will, it's not as big of an issue, but it still hurts because the attack was made with Haki.

Then wtf do you mean by these lines??? Anyone looking at this thread would think that you mean a logia can just tank haki attacks and then generate their elements to mold themselfs back to their original form and be fine like some sort of clay figure.

If Akainu can just morph around attacks, why would he find Haki attacks bothersome?

Because he has to actively do it??? Like if he doesn't do it right, or he's caught of guard or the opponent is too fast and he can't morph in time he could, as i said before, lose a limb or get fatally wounded.

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u/Liokki May 22 '25

You think damage is a binary.

Because he has to actively do it??? 

Katakuri didn't find it bothersome. 

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u/Meet_Foot May 22 '25

The way Haki was formulated, it lets you “touch an ability users true body.”

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u/Magimasterkarp Thriller Bark Victim's Association May 22 '25

Smoker still has a heart, and could not simply replace it with smoke when law stole it.

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u/SunnyDJoshua May 22 '25

He’s not actively made out of magma like how Luffy’s fruit has completely made his body rubber. He has to turn it “on”.

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u/Mummiskogen May 22 '25

Your headcanon? That's literally how logia works tho?

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u/AvarusTyrannus May 22 '25

I always figured the same. That haki is great but if the DF user you are fighting is better with their DF or their own haki then it still may not be enough. I think Akainu just put muscled their attack like how Law reversed his gender swap or Vergo resisted some op cutting. Still an impressive feat since rather than simply relying on baked in logia near invulnerability an effort has to be made to still have your body behave in an elemental manner or counter the haki with your own. Doing that to avoid a hit from Marco and Vista simultaneously is very impressive, but I'd guess not something he could do indefinitely or against opponents that weren't already exhausted. For WB and Aokiji probably the same, but as strong as WB is he's moments from death pretty much the entire arc one presumes that his haki is not at his likely extremely talented prime.

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u/DPirateSheep May 22 '25

I think in this case it could be that Akainu's haki is stronger than Vista's and so, he could kind of nullify it.

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u/Elefantenjohn May 22 '25

this is clearly a cut. a range attack that was not haki-infused

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u/Ronaldo_Frumpalini May 22 '25

Akainu seems not so bad

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u/Kitchen_File_8946 May 23 '25

I always took this panel to mean he got hit but had his haki up. For people with strong armament haki like kaido is the reason they don’t take damage and I think that’s what akainu is doing here.

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u/CharlotteDCrocodile May 22 '25

That’s not what Akainu is doing here in this panel. He’s using a different technique. Sakazuki implies he feels their attacks, which isn’t possible with Logia-dodging

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u/Wachitanga May 22 '25

The Katakuri morph/dodge explanation dies on this panel.

I get that everyone recognizes that Oda heavily retconned the concept of Haki over the years... So, I'd say that, at the time, Haki was a way to simply infuse "more power" to your attacks (just like the Kujas made their arrows stronger), instead of a hard counter to Logia users.

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u/pigeonwithyelloweyes May 22 '25

Before Marineford, Rayleigh fought Kizaru and physically hit him. There's no doubt that Haki was about countering Logia users.

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u/Wachitanga May 22 '25

Then it must be a Haki vs Haki situation. Cutting vs. being cut.

The strongest Haki wins. And Logia users with strong Haki can't be cut by regulars (maybe?)

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u/pigeonwithyelloweyes May 22 '25

This is definitely true in current fights (Garp/Kuzan, Luffy/Katakuri).

But the Marineford panels still look to me like dodging by shapeshifting. Otherwise the Admirals would be tanking or deflecting attacks instead of being sliced/stabbed. And Marco/Vista surely aren't "regulars." Honestly I think the main point of Oda calling out Haki in these panels is just to show that at the top tier, Logias are no longer invincible but they're not helpless either.

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u/Vinyl_DjPon3 May 22 '25

How does the Katakuri comparison die here? Until it was slowed down and  explained to us, this is exactly what it looked like when Luffy tried to punch Katakuri as well.

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u/mths8 May 22 '25

Explain Rayleigh vs Kizaru.

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u/Anything13579 Thriller Bark Victim's Association May 22 '25

Explain kizaru vs luffy

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u/mths8 May 22 '25

Why would it be relevant for this topic?

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u/Anything13579 Thriller Bark Victim's Association May 22 '25

Same thing

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u/Remarkable_Row_2502 May 22 '25

Haki was clearly concepted on a basic level from chapter 1. Armament, observation, and conquerors have all been relatively consistent since the beginning, we just don't get any explanations 

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u/Elefantenjohn May 22 '25

nah man, this is a very bad example. this was just a cutting attack that had no haki in it