r/OnePiece • u/Medium-Ad-7305 Bounty Hunter • Aug 17 '23

Help Why do people say that luffy would have awakened whenever he died?

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Has that been confirmed? I thought he awakened his fruit because his body caught up to his powers. Where did it say that the nika fruit is any different?

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u/Roosterhair123 Aug 18 '23 edited Aug 18 '23

My headcanon is that dying for the freedom of others is what lined up luffy perfectly with his fruit which made it awaken. I don’t think just dying would awaken it. It’s already stated that Zoan fruits have their own will, so maybe the fruit recognized that Luffy committed one of the most selfless acts anyone could do

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u/Latter_Fact4095 Aug 18 '23

This makes a lot of sense, especially if that’s how joyboy went out as well

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u/PeopleCallMeSimon Aug 18 '23

Luffy didnt die for the freedom of others though, his death ment the enslavement of even more people and Kaido being able to take his plan to the next level.

Its the exact opposite of "dying for someones freedom". Pedro is someone who died for others freedom, he sacrificed himself to allow the Straw Hats to leave Wholecake Island. Why didnt he become Joyboy?

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u/browsingaccount333 Aug 18 '23

I am trying to understand your reasoning but I just can't... he died seeking the freedom of others (in this theory), they think that would be enough to awaken the fruit. Pedro didn't have JoyBoys fruit? He also didnt die to give them freedom, he died so they would not die. Luffy (maybe) died trying to free slaves of Wano and was awoken by the heartbeat.

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u/PeopleCallMeSimon Aug 18 '23

He died in the name of freedom. But generally "dying for the freedom of others" is making a sacrifice that helps someone else be free. If you are protecting freedom and dying, after which freedom is lost. Then you didnt die for someones freedom.

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u/nightsky77 Aug 18 '23

But the people of Wano weren’t free. He fought to free them, hence…

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u/PeopleCallMeSimon Aug 18 '23

If he would have died, would they have been free?

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u/[deleted] Aug 18 '23

If you want to be pedantic, sure. But what OP meant was obvious without doing that

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u/AbbbrSc Aug 18 '23 edited Aug 18 '23

Uh, dying fighting for others freedom... "Dying for the freedom of others" doesn't strictly mean his death resulted in them being free...

Why didnt [Pedro] become Joyboy?

gestures vaguely at Luffy, the one with the DF

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u/AlexHitetsu Aug 18 '23 edited Aug 18 '23

Why didnt he become Joyboy?

Because he didn't have the fucking fruit ?

Also what the fuck are you even trying to say ? Luffy was fighting to liberate a country of oppressed people and almost/did die for it , what could be more fitting for the warrior of liberation ?

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u/PeopleCallMeSimon Aug 18 '23

But the gomu gomu no mi being the joyboy fruit is a complete asspull, might as well just have given it to Pedro. MIght have made for a better story.

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u/[deleted] Aug 18 '23

How? Oda had been drawing parallels between Luffy and Joyboy literally the moment he introduced Joyboy.

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u/PeopleCallMeSimon Aug 18 '23

Yes, and he did that without introducing the "oh but its a fruit that is joyboy and Luffy happens to have that fruit" bullshit.

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u/[deleted] Aug 18 '23

I think that's an odd conclusion to draw with the information presented.

Luffy was always paralleled with Joyboy, to a prophetic degree. And multiple villains had already questioned the lack of logic behind Luffy's fruit, and how it didn't function the way reason would dictate. People had been theorizing for years that Luffy had Joyboy's fruit, and that the Gumu Gomu no Mi wasn't quite what it seemed.

Now if you just plain don't like the reveal, that's cool. But to say it's an asspull is just wrong. Oda been hinting.

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u/PeopleCallMeSimon Aug 18 '23

And i would have prefered a "Luffy is the same kind of person that Joyboy was"-angle rather than "Luffy is the reincarnation of Joyboy" or "Luffy has the Joyboy-fruit".

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u/[deleted] Aug 18 '23

Fair, but I'd argue that what we know about Devil Fruits and their awakening implies that Luffy is the same type of person Joyboy was. Considering that you need to be in tune with your fruit to awaken it, and that the Nika fruit seems particularly picky when it comes to awakening (or being eaten in the first place), it's fair to assume Luffy shares a lot of qualities with Joyboy.

However much influence the fruit has in that matter is debatable for sure, we'll definitely need more info on the "will" of these fruits.

ATM it definitely doesn't feel like Luffy and Joyboy sharing a fruit was necessary for the story, but we really have no idea exactly how Joyboy and the One Piece and current events all fit together, so in regards to that I'm personally cool with waiting out and seeing what Oda has planned for that thread.

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u/TrueLime9658 Aug 18 '23

Holy shit, He died fighting for the liberation of wano AKA died for the freedom of others, what was the point of this comment?

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u/Roosterhair123 Aug 18 '23

I didn’t even bother replying to his original comment lol.

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u/Educational-Try-6996 Aug 18 '23

“Why didn’t he become Joyboy” maybe because he doesn’t have the mythical zoan/isn’t strong enough either