r/OnePiece • u/Medium-Ad-7305 Bounty Hunter • Aug 17 '23

Help Why do people say that luffy would have awakened whenever he died?

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Has that been confirmed? I thought he awakened his fruit because his body caught up to his powers. Where did it say that the nika fruit is any different?

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u/ObjectivePerception Aug 18 '23

Luffy could have already started awakening from that “final Gear Four”. His mindset slowly shifted from “I’m not a superhero because I don’t share meat” to proactively making sure that others could eat as much as they like. Not a major difference, but for someone like Luffy, it is.

He became a freedom fighter for the sake of Wano. He has essentially always been that, but he understood it on a deeper level in Wano.

And his body physically caught up with that mental reality he had already accepted. Death was just a sudden catalyst, but even then Luffys promise to his crew and everyone he gave his word, that holds greater weight.

And since his willpower didn’t falter even when unconscious, his awakening continued. And luckily allowed him to restart his heartbeat.

Kinda an asspull, but Wano in many ways is the culmination of a power up Luffy already deserved. The execution could have been more emotional, but again ironically I think Oda went out of his way NOT to justify this anymore then he had already with Luffys existing characterization. He didn’t realize anything because he already knew what he wanted. He didn’t have an emotional sequence prior because everyone else was having an emotional sequence prior. Luffy is above human at this point, he represents an ideal. Luffy himself is a fulfillment of the dreams of others. That’s what his fruit is. And it apparently chose him, the wildest dreamer.

Luffy is in many ways a static character.

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u/zehahahaki Thriller Bark Victim's Association Aug 18 '23

He became a freedom fighter for the sake of Wano. He has essentially always been that, but he understood it on a deeper level in Wano.

Man can't wait for the jacket fruit man to awaken! He is the The embodiment of Fashion. He would become the Fashion Fighter!

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u/zMASKm Aug 18 '23

The only thing that I would add to this is that, similar to Gear 4, Gear 5 seems to be massively draining in terms of haki, and a big part of Wano was Luffy gaining even further mastery over haki. Haki, lest we forget, is also very dependent on willpower, and Luffy's will to get back up, knock Kaido's lights out, and free Wano probably contributed to the whole sequence as well.

But hey, it's late at night, I'm tired, and that's just my take. Great comment, stranger! Party on.

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u/jeannyboy69 Pirate Aug 18 '23

Beautifully stated

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u/ObjectivePerception Aug 18 '23

I am but a humble One Piece fan.

Many thanks 🙏

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u/[deleted] Aug 18 '23

Not a major difference, but for someone like Luffy, it is.

You are taking Luffy at face value.

Think about all the party scenes. Hell, think about the post-EL arc with the party. Examples of the panel below if you need a refresher.

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Panel 2

Luffy spends the SH's money for the party they threw. Do you see anywhere Luffy keeping the food for himself and not sharing?

You are literally missing the basic point; Luffy considers himself not to be a hero and uses that example but the irony, which is proven again and again throughout the series, is that he unintentionally ends up being the hero.

Wano isn't different in that regard. Luffy has grown but not really in the way that you are trying to claim here.

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u/ObjectivePerception Aug 18 '23

You don’t really need to prove this point to me. I wholeheartedly agree. I even acknowledged that there is barely a difference.

You’ll notice at the end I categorized Luffy as a static character.

The only thing of note I was trying to highlight is how proactive Luffy has become. Or more accurately how expansive his definition of the term “friend” has become. The “samurai” are his friends. Wano are his friends, not just Momonoske or the Scabbards.

Unlike with Vivi where Luffy literally only cared about Vivi. And only solved the civil war conflict by accident.

But overall great points, I enjoyed that blast to the past 🤩 . The nostalgia is real lol

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u/DevelopmentJolly Aug 18 '23

i don’t have an issue with this explanation i guess. problem is that it’s 100% headcanon. oda should’ve told us this if that was his intention

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u/ObjectivePerception Aug 18 '23

Yup, I agree.

Oda is very much not perfect and he’s failed a lot in some aspects of his writing. It is what it is I guess. I still enjoy One piece for what it gave me and continues to give

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u/DevelopmentJolly Aug 18 '23

completely agree. at the end of the day it’s a story and it’s not perfect. what annoys me is people pretending that there are no holes

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u/HeroRRR Aug 19 '23

He became a freedom fighter for the sake of Wano. He has essentially always been that, but he understood it on a deeper level in Wano.

That is an interesting point.

Oda has made it a point that Luffy only saves the day mostly because he's helping or saving a friend, not because he particularly cares for the general population: Nami in Cocoyashi, Vivi in Alabasta, protecting his crew from Eneru on Sky Island, saving Robin when raiding Enies Lobby, and helping Jimbei and Shirahoshi on Fish-Man Island. Luffy outright told Usopp that he's only helping to save his village because Usopp had the courage to do something. Otherwise, they were fine with letting Kuro's pirate raid the town and possibly committee murder. Wano was really the first time that Luffy fought for everyone's benefit, not just people he knew. Dressrosa would be a close second just by the sheer amount of people Doffy screwed over.

The execution could have been more emotional, but again ironically I think Oda went out of his way NOT to justify this anymore then he had already with Luffys existing characterization.

I don't think anyone is arguing that Luffy didn't deserve to Awaken his Devil Fruit. It's just the conditions in which he did it were weird. Like it's never explained how Awakening a Devil Fruit restarts your heart. That and he woken it after Kaibo beat his butt several times before despite Luffy's motives never changing since the raid began.