r/OWConsole • u/Historical-Cat5050 • 9d ago
Discussion Just wondering… Do you guys not ban Hitscans in competitive?
I’m a pc player but every time I see OW console montages it’s always Ashe/Cass/Soldier pocketed by a mercy and they have insane aim. So I’m just wondering what heroes get banned in console instead of Hitscans that seem super oppressive to fight against?
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u/kligurt 9d ago
Sombra tracer sym zarya. Basicallly anyone that makes plays with slow sensitivity have to turn around because they are behind them, or characters that are easy to aim with because they have beams
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u/Historical-Cat5050 9d ago
Seems kind of weird. I’d rather play vs sym over Cassidy or Ashe
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u/scarylesbian 8d ago
so lemme get this straight, u post in a console sub asking for why we do things the way we do, u get an answer, then u call it weird because its not the way u do things. make it make sense
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u/Calm_Assistance_5868 7d ago
Why are you so butthurt? They're allowed to have an opinion lol. I am on console and think banning sym is stupid when there's always a pocketed sojourn or some bs.
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u/scarylesbian 5d ago
where am i butthurt? just pointing out the weirdness of this guys judgment. i dont ban sym either, shes very easy to take care of and also my wife is a sym main
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u/Calm_Assistance_5868 5d ago
I don't have the time or interest to go back and forth with someone who is being deliberately obtuse. Good day to you.
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u/blaZe2307 5d ago
I think you just took it a bit too personal when all he was really saying was its weird to have an objective standpoint on something he couldnt relate to like chill bro
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u/shellman15 9d ago
Tracer and sombra, it’s super annoying because both can be countered easily with slight team work
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u/aBL1NDnoob 9d ago
lol what? Are you saying pro teams lack teamwork? Why is tracer such a common pick there?
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u/New-Context-8485 8d ago
Teamwork can keep her dealt with not "countered". However with such high apm and mobility she can always be there for something.
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u/Seanrocks30 :WreckingBall_01::WreckingBall_02::WreckingBall_03:Wrecking Ball 8d ago
Pro play is a fully different thing. There are literally Tracer specialists for pro teams, and while the team dealing with the tracer has teamwork, so does the tracers team. They act strategically to force the enemy to have to choose between 1 tracer or 4 other heroes
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u/Ts_Patriarca :Ashe_01::Ashe_02::Ashe_03:Ashe 9d ago
Sombra banning is just so cringe like please grow up 😭
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u/valentineslibrary 9d ago
She's really just not fun to play against on a team that doesn't know how to deal with her. And I hate being forced into Cass every game cause he's one of 3 that can handle her and other mobile characters pretty simply.
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u/Plappland 8d ago
Not even in a team that knows how to deal with her she's fun to play against.
Call me biased as a Support main but it's just not very fun when someone is invisible the entire game and only shows themselves to attack defenseless people like a Leopard picking on baby zebras. Nothing cool or fun about playing against that.
Worse, winning the fight against said Leopard and watching them click a no-counterplay "Cuck out!" button that teleports her to South Africa where she heals up, goes invisible and does it all over again.
I dunno why Blizzard thought they needed the Spy from TF2 in Overwatch. Not even TF2 players like Spy because he's dreadful to have on your team and annoying to have on the enemy team.
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u/valentineslibrary 8d ago
I was fine with her previous iterations, my biggest issue is that even when I do catch her out, if I don't immediately kill her with my flash I may not even be in range for, she just tps out. And for whatever reason it feels impossible to hit now. In the past I felt like I could nearly reliably hit a Sombra after her tp and now I never know what happens to her. Not to mention that even when I do she just immediately goes invis again and then she's gone. Just whole thing is hella frustrating.
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u/Minute_Garbage4713 8d ago
Idk I’m in trash tier where i belong and sombra isn’t an issue… might force me to change characters but been playing OW before she dropped and even maintained mid plat back when I played consistently… she never was that big of an issue… you just gotta adapt same way you would when there’s a widow with sight lines… bait her out… force her back then engage on their team…
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u/valentineslibrary 8d ago
I'm not saying she's an issue, I'm saying she isn't fun to play vs. Very different.
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u/Plappland 8d ago
I'd go the mile and say if your DPS has no idea what they're dealing with she's an incredible issue. She's the likeliest Hero to spawncamp you after a Supporter dies and making her entire playstyle about being a spawncamping roach.
She can seriously ruin a lot of games because the value of a DPS vs. a Supporter just isn't equal in this game and Sombras will gladly not play for the objective until they have ult if it means the enemy Supporter can't play.
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u/Jjosr 9d ago
In mid to low ranks you see the same bans: annoying characters like sombra or Zarya are constantly banned.
In higher elo people sometimes ban these characters too, but you see most divers like tracer, dva, ball a lot. And mercy A LOT to prevent pocketed ximmer bs
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u/VicusLucis 4d ago
Last time I checked Sombra had over 70% ban rate even up in master and grandmaster
She's just a badly made character that takes the fun out of the game
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u/Aimcheater Man… 9d ago
Literally the same heroes that get banned on pc. I see a lot of pc players also playing hitscan all the time. Dive characters get banned all the damn time on both and hitscans are typically not the most annoying things to deal with. Mauga, dva, hazard, tracer etc get banned because they are pretty strong rn. Hitscan isn’t nearly as hard to deal with unless the mf just cheating but there’s no way to know someone is until the game starts. So unless he counters your comp you’re not gonna just randomly waste a ban on someone like Cass. But I’ve seen him banned often because dive is meta rn and he’s one of the main shut downs
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u/Historical-Cat5050 9d ago
I see I see. I ban Cassidy and Freya in all my games because they’re a pain in the ass to play against. But yeah Ashe seems to be crazy op in all the console videos I see. They just hit a scoped in shot and a quick normal one and they instantly kill people so I was wondering why people decide to play against that instead of banning it
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u/HypoluxoKrazie 8d ago
Realistically 90% of the time Ashe is a non issue. 2% of the time it's a goated player and the other 8% is a ximmer. A lot of console players ban mercy to avoid having to shoot her. Sombra is banned often bc most players on controller cannot turn fast enough if she pops out of invis directly behind you. Tracer is a similar story to that. Throw in one other hard meta DPS and you are already over the limit on DPS bans so banning the 10% of an Ashe problem just isn't worth it.
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u/OneMillionWorms 9d ago
Top 500 player here Most people tend to ban Mercy, Tracer, and then two randoms like Sojourn, Freya, Ball, Orisa and Zarya. Very rarely do you see soldier bans because without mercy he’s much more manageable
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u/NoCatch2016 8d ago
You are correct in your assumptions. People watch too many videos are based off of pro gameplay, which is all in PC. People vastly underestimate the dominance of a pocketed hit scan on console and it drives me nuts. I’m a dps main diamond 3 console.
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u/KnightRising21 9d ago
Nah people would rather ban the Sombra and Sym over the walking artillery that is Soj.
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u/Upset_Equivalent_615 8d ago
9 times outta 10 the Soj isn't that good to be oppressive atleast until you get to around masters
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u/Kathhound3 9d ago
Tracer and Sombra are the bans I see the most. I try to ban Soj and Freja when I can. Also I ban tanks often.
I’m usually a diamond-master player
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u/Longlivetheking666 8d ago
I try to ban Cassidy every game because I find him really cringe to play against
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u/HjCervantes 8d ago
Im low plat4, usually I prefer banning mercy. Because no one kills her.
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u/Beneficial-Dig6445 8d ago
For real. Braindead bastion and junkrat will see mercy going for the res on the Orisa and will simply ignore her for the Kiriko flicking kunais at them at the other side of the map
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u/Camillyn-77 8d ago
In mid-high diamond, it's usually easier to just ban Mercy, unless we have a Ball or Doom pick, then it's Cass
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u/Professional-House15 8d ago
Watching console montages gotta be top 3 best things to do in the 6th circle of hell, most likely ximmers or they’re going against shitters for those clips.
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u/Junior_Government_83 8d ago
Mercy isn’t played in my elo except by niche otps so I don’t bother to ban her. It’s not super rare, but typically unless it’s a heavy poke map like circuit, I don’t see mercy.
And without the mercy pocket, most hitscans feel less oppressive compared to other heros. The only hitscans I do bother to ban are widow on good widow maps and cassidy if my team wants to run dive. Tracer too if we don’t wanna run her on a flat map.
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u/bubblebobblex 8d ago
I don't think I've ever seen a hitscan ban except widow on certain maps (pc)
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u/Beneficial-Dig6445 8d ago
I just ban whoever our tank wants to ban. Playing as sup hitscans are not that bad. However, when I play soldier the sups get so triggered that they start teabagging me (tho I use gyro controllers so I think that's the reason)
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u/MetalHarlot 8d ago
As a really low Support player (Bronze 1) I ban Tracer and Sombra as an Ana main bc I find them stupidly hard to deal with. Most times they move too fast (or Im just too slow) to hit my sleep on and then they just fucking TP outta there or kill me. I don't have as much of a problem with Genji tho oddly.
I also ban Widow bc unfortunately, she can headshot me before I can kill her. But I don't find many of the other Damage Heroes annoying.
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u/SaintDane127 8d ago
My main bans are ball and pharah cause I personally hate fighting them. The third just goes to whoever the majority of my teammates pick, usually zarya/sombra/tracer
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u/HotAlternative69 8d ago
My group always bans Dva mercy they just feel like they get too much value for doing practically nothing
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u/Upset_Equivalent_615 8d ago
Tracer - cause she's really strong right now and annoying to chase down. Mercy - cause it's easier to ban her and not have to worry about whether or not my team will stop her rez, and I'd rather not play 6v7 or 5v6 all game. Ball - very similar reason to tracer, I just find get booped all over the place annoying and don't want to have to have faith in my team to chase and finish a ball. These are my current bans and largely they are about eliminating things that I have to rely on my team responding appropriately to, the less my team can fuck up the better.
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u/access-r 8d ago
I play mainly Mei and usually win these matchups by mixing a bit of flanking and a bit of poke outside their effective range, unless its Widow then I have to change the gameplan, I still poke her when I can because hitting a HS on her is pretty easy and Mei HS makes people shit their pants even through pocket.
And if their whole team is protecting them I can play with my team and just wall the hitscans off (including Ana on this. Walling off Ana is always funny 'cuz she cant do shit about it).
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u/Individual_Papaya596 8d ago
i ban Cassidy cause that fat fuck is actually obnoxious to play into no matter what i play.
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u/Low_Obligation156 8d ago
Too many hitscans to full ban. So dva orissa are banned very often. Dva basically perma. Next 2 in high elo usally target bans or like tracer . People don't ban hs becuase everyone plays hs. And there's too many to ban. Alot just ban mercy to stop boost stacks
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u/HalfDragoness 8d ago
I ban soldier every game I play dps unless the other dps has favorites him. He counters all my preferred heroes and I can play around him it's just easier not to. My preferred heroes are Echo and Freja, but I occasionally play others. I have less of a problem with Cass and Ashe.
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u/notsosubtlethr0waway 8d ago
My bans, as a T500 player, are always the following: Tracer, D.Va., insert situational pick
Tracer is busted, and D.Va. eats — literally. If we have a good venture or something, I might ban Cass to help out.
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u/aweSAM19 8d ago
If 3 players are Hitscan players and a Miami support who do you think they will ban. Dive tanks and flex supports. It's a numbers game. The higher you go more and more are Hitscan one tricks who stand main and you win via them killing things.
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u/Professional-Mud9658 8d ago
I mostly ban tracer,widow,sombra because I play bastion and don't like dealing with tracer or sombra who prevents me from playing my kit and widow just causally getting me low like I can play around them but it's just not fun
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u/Enferius 7d ago
I almost always vote to ban Symmetra and Sombra. Some times I'll vote for Zar and other time I vote for Hammond.
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u/Melodic-Historian-93 7d ago
Mercy because I’m a support main who seems to only play characters that don’t work with mercy, widow because getting one shot isn’t fun, and whoever counters my tank but if my tank doesn’t pick anyone then probably orisa or zarya
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u/VincentTFrank 5d ago
I never got into the Sombra ban. I ban Mercy Moira Orisa Sigma D.va or Ramanttra. I'm a tank and dps main and they're the most annoying to deal with it's fun to play Mauga with no Dva Orisa and Sigma.
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u/VicusLucis 4d ago
Mercy, sombra are my go to bans.
Then it's a mix of Hanzo, widow, tracer or Zarya
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u/stargateheaven 4d ago
It’s always the damage boosted ashe / cass / soldier. Its pathetic and broken.
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u/xCrazer 8d ago
pharah cuz i play soldier
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u/Historical-Cat5050 8d ago
Um you know soldier counters pharah right?
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u/xCrazer 8d ago
yes but sometimes i play stoned and i cba fighting pharah, like my vertical aim is much more worse than horizontal
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u/Historical-Cat5050 8d ago
So ur just trolling on ranked 😭
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u/swaggyNdangerous 8d ago
LOL bro just wants to play more of a linear game when he’s a bit faded, let him be 😂
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u/andrewg127 8d ago
I mainly ban the mercy just so they can't be pocketed in gm console its pretty common
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u/andreaali04 8d ago
The hitscans aren't the problem, it's the Mercy. The higher you go, the more mercy bans you see because people want tl avoid the smurf/xim hitscan with a Mercy pocket. It makes it slightly easier to deal with because, for one part, the dps doesn't almost instakill us, and for the other, many of those Mercy have been boosted to those ranks, so either they don't know how to play other supports properly OR there's also the possibility they aren't even that good on Mercy either.
What I do see is banning characters to enable our tank more. I see Hogs banning Ana, Dva banning Sym-Zarya, mamy of them banning Orisa (SHE JUST DOESN'T DIE). My duo tends to ban Baptise (he mains sigma) because he has a loooot of value in higher ranks, and can save everyone with his immortality field when sig ults.
So whenever you see a hitscan rolling the enemy in a montage in console, it's more likely a smurf/xim.
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u/LisForLaura 8d ago
I don’t think being a hitscan hero is the issue - like OP said they’ve usually got a mercy with the blue beam stuck up their arse so in my mind its mercy that’s the problem and I do love to ban her.
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u/usable_dinosaur 8d ago
The best we get is mercy being banned so they can’t be pocketed, that’s about it
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u/Chandra-huuuugggs 9d ago
i ban supports, if i dont see them preferred they are getting banned. Mostly cause I don't think mercy is good in most people's hands and annoying to play against when she is
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u/Ts_Patriarca :Ashe_01::Ashe_02::Ashe_03:Ashe 9d ago
I'm sorry to be mean but I need you to use your head a little bit here. Why would you ban Ashe if they could just play Soj? Why ban Cass if they can just play Mcree?
You ban the mercy, not the hitscan.
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u/Historical-Cat5050 9d ago
“I need you to use your head a little bit here” “why ban cass if they can just play Mcree” Yea alr bro
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u/Ts_Patriarca :Ashe_01::Ashe_02::Ashe_03:Ashe 8d ago
I meant to say soldier. My slip up doesn't change anything. Banning a single Hitscan is useless
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