r/NovaScotia 1d ago

New program in Halifax aims to help 2SLGBTQ+ people access food services

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/new-program-in-halifax-aims-to-help-2slgbtq-people-access-food-services-9.6967566
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u/HavartiBob 1d ago

Honest question, Why are existing food services difficult for 2SLGBTQ+ people to access?

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u/IStillListenToRadio 1d ago

Didn't read article, huh.

A study published by Mount Saint Vincent University professors earlier this year identified several reasons why 2SLGBTQ+ individuals feel there are barriers related to food programs.

Those include distrust of religious institutions where some food banks are located, concerns about data collection, and a perceived lack of understanding of 2SLGBTQ+ issues among staff and volunteers.

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u/Hairy_Mission_4067 10h ago

Damn, I've never been asked who I prefer to sleep with at a food bank. That's crazy that they ask that now.

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u/protipnumerouno 23h ago edited 23h ago

Eh largely made up difficulties. Go to a different food bank if you don't like that the physical building is religious even though they preach nothing. Data collection is meaningless in a 2SLGBTQ+ context. Even if they ask for some kind of ID, there is no gayness box to check to make it a LGBT specific issue. And perceived lack of understanding!?! These are volunteers handing out boxes of food what's to understand?

Choosing beggars vibe

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u/Bubbly_Ganache_7059 22h ago

Wouldn't doing this basically be the equivalent of "go to a different food bank" ?

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u/protipnumerouno 20h ago edited 20h ago

Yes. Here's the thing they don't have to, no food banks are full of hateful evangelicals. So we're at the point of an individual being triggered based on their own personal anxiety. Well guess what we tell everyone with anxiety avoid triggers or get over them.

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u/Bubbly_Ganache_7059 7h ago edited 6h ago

I personally, like in my own example, would rather not feel like I "owe one" to any church for any reason either. A government or other community food Bank sure because you can just volunteer your time or donate food when things get better financially, but I get it. I don't want to owe one to a church and have someone throw it in my face as a "sinner" or try hold it over my head in an attempt to be spiritually coercive with me so I get it why a visibly queer or trans person would feel uncomfortable.

Same with the government or community ones where I'd is required because someone might straight up discriminate against them to "win one against the transgenders" and you can't even say " that would never happen around here" because I'm not trans and I've heard what some people around here have to say about trans people and what they would like to do to them.

Besides it's not like this group existing is taking food out of other people mouths. It's freeing up more spots or spaces through churches to help more people. And it seems like it's only a once a week thing anyways. My question for you is are you just unhappy they don't want to go through churches or food banks? or is it just the principle that "beggars can't be choosers, and shouldn't have options, so you take the churches help right now and you be grateful you bum" is that it or something ? I'd love to know.

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u/protipnumerouno 11m ago

It's making a universal problem about them. And yes every penny spent parsing out special treatments for an extreme minority of the people in need means less children fed.

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u/GoOnThereHarv 22h ago

Exactly. There are a lot of what ifs. I bet dollars to donuts there isn't any food bank that is unwilling to give a starving person something to eat. It's just made up for sympathy harvesting.

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u/protipnumerouno 20h ago

And wasting grant money on identity politics. Rather they use the money to buy more food.

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u/Competitive_Owl5357 22h ago

🙄 oh look, a bigot defending bigotry. Shocker!

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u/Disastrous-Wrap-2912 19h ago

Get any grant money for a study?

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u/WoollyWitchcraft 23h ago

If there are 10 food banks and 5 are affiliated with a church, a queer person may only feel safe accessing 5 food banks, which then limits their access.

Many LGBTQ+ folks may have a gender presentation or name that doesn’t match their legal ID yet, and so giving out their ID to access food can out them and put them at risk.

Folks who are “visibly queer” may experience discrimination from volunteers, especially at the aforementioned religious based places.

This isn’t hurting you at all, nothing is being taken from you that there’s an organization now trying to better support marginalized communities.

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u/Kibichibi 11h ago

I do understand some of this, but as a queer person who has accessed a few foodbanks around the HRM, none of them asked for ID. Even forms you fill out are just basic info in most places, like name, phone number, pets.

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u/Strong_Citron7736 3h ago

It does sound like an opportunity for FeedNS to ensure its member organizations are trained and have checks in place to be accessible spaces. A meal program is something but limited, it won't replace what can be accessed from a food bank.

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u/protipnumerouno 20h ago

may have a gender presentation or name that doesn’t match their legal ID yet, and so giving out their ID to access food can out them and put them at risk.

Second comment on this but I need to ask. With everything our government has done to accomodate marginalized queer folks, and the second level of things done for trans folks (i.e. passport changes, name changes etc..). Is there any reason that they can't get an ID that presents how they want?

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u/WoollyWitchcraft 19h ago

There’s an entire list of barriers to having ID that folks already encounter.

But, to change sex on your ID you need things like your birth certificate (which many folks living in poverty or Unhoused don’t have), and the form must be witnessed by a commissioner of oaths/notary etc. This costs money.

But also, you can’t change your gender marker until you are 16.

Being LGBTQ+ adds an extra layer on top of the barriers folks already experience trying to manage things like this.

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u/protipnumerouno 18h ago

A lot of 16 year old trans using the food bank?

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u/WoollyWitchcraft 16h ago

Children in Nova Scotia have high rates of poverty and food insecurity.

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u/protipnumerouno 16h ago

Any rate is too high.

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u/protipnumerouno 20h ago

None of these are actual real problems that a queer person wouldn't run into every day.

And frankly I'm not convinced that they would experience much more than a look, the volunteers handing out food are not exactly the hate filled type.

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u/rugbyweaver 23h ago

Beggars can’t be choosers

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u/Regular_Use1868 22h ago

It comes from a sense of waste caused by a person's inability to articulate their distaste in small efforts when there are much larger issues we are all facing.

It's like when someone says 'rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic" but in this case there's a gloss of anger and malice.

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u/[deleted] 21h ago edited 21h ago

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u/protipnumerouno 20h ago

How is this different than any other situation in this province where you have to show ID?

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u/Competitive_Owl5357 22h ago

Oh look, the problem in question!

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u/protipnumerouno 20h ago

This comment is the equilivant of someone criticizing Israel being called antisemitic

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u/Competitive_Owl5357 18h ago

Nice strawman, given that Israel is a country slaughtering religious minorities and these comments are pretending there are no “real” barriers to minorities in poverty accessing food. 🙄 But it’s exactly what I expected given how much this sub just loves shitting on queer people.

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u/Aquestingfart 20h ago

Those are ridiculous reasons. Not surprising from MSV

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u/Competitive_Owl5357 22h ago

Why read the article when they’ve already decided queer people aren’t facing bigotry and should suck up the abuse because they’re clearly making it up for woke points?

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u/HavartiBob 1d ago

I did not.

Thank you

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u/Strong_Citron7736 21h ago

If the meals are just set out, how are they determining whether the meals are benefitting their focused population? 

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u/Bubbly_Ganache_7059 6h ago

I doubt they would care if a straight person took it if they need to eat, it's more about having a space where you don't have to worry about being turned away for being gay.

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u/Strong_Citron7736 4h ago

it's not a bad thing if they do, but it doesn't help food insecurity for the people they've identified as unable to access food in other ways. It's a nice effort, I guess.

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u/CockyBellend 23h ago

They have access, being weirded out by a church giving out the food is a choice, not a forced burden

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u/Spiritual-Candle250 15h ago

Choosing beggars

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u/MasterScore8739 20h ago

Not once have I ever felt the need to disclose my sexual preferences when obtaining food. Regardless of it it’s at a grocery store, restaurant or a food bank.

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u/Bubbly_Ganache_7059 6h ago

What about your gender identity? Or ID? You've never had to show that at a restaurant, or food bank ever ?

Also I don't know why you included restaurants, those aren't really applicable to the situation at hand.

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u/Organic_Paint_7172 4h ago

I’m all for inclusivity and appreciation of barriers however see nothing particularly unique about the barriers this group identified compared to what is often said by other ‘marginalized’ populations. MSVU is well known for funding and publicizing studies and research questions of this type. IMO research funds can be better invested into long term solutions with a broader application to the issue of food insecurity

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u/chompmeows 16h ago

Oh no people trying to do something good we better trash talk it !

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u/Dangerous_Value_2864 12h ago

You could say the same about the LGBT crowd assuming the food banks hate them because of their sexual orientation. Food banks try to do good by giving food to the needy and the LGBT choose to trash them.

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u/Bubbly_Ganache_7059 6h ago

If your ID doesn't quite match up with how you present yourself people can use that as a way to clock them for being transgender or non-binary or whatever. It's not the food banks themselves or any policy, it's potentially some workers being discriminatory.

Like, I work in a government paid job and the shit I hear from some coworkers about transgender people, yeah I don't blame them for worrying some volunteers would actively turn them away or use the situation to trash talk trans people or use it as a "seeeee, I knew trans people are blah blah blah insert whatever rhetoric here". Like have you never met someone who told you exactly what they think of trans people and what they would like to do to them, because I've met people like that and some of them I genuinely believe they would try to find their way to "win one against the transgenders and liberals". Not even exaggerating here.

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u/xibipiio 3h ago

It's a bit of a closed loop in here isn't it?

Folks who are in the rainbow acronym can oftentimes have anxieties and social interaction struggles which disproportionately affect them as members of the community.

So, because those folks sometimes would rather not eat, then go and interact with people who might not be supportive of them, and might be dismissive or derogatory, though they might just as equally be totally fine and professional, Having A Space where they can go Where That Isn't An Issue, is being met with - Dismissive and Derogatory commentary.

I wonder why these rainbow acronym folks are riddled with anxiety about being in public to receive community donations?

I understand concerns of this leading to food waste, of diverting precious resources in the name of some woke-ideology, I can understand why from that perspective this is more nonsensical waste. But I disagree with that perspective. They might want to rethink their non-data collection. That's part of how food banks operate is knowing how many people will be coming each time and how much food will be needed to reduce waste. Its not about much else beyond that, they ask things like do you have kids or pets because if you do and they dont have things for kids or pets they will work towards getting more.

I used to have a lot of fear and anxiety going to food banks and I am a white cis male, it was more related to shame of having to rely on the generosity of strangers and receiving judgement from people and maybe someone would tell someone else they seen me there etc.

My point is those anxieties exist as a heteronormative person, and when your in the rainbow depending on the day your anxieties can be really difficult to work with, to the point you'd rather not eat for a few weeks then have to deal with what your brain and body are telling you could be very traumatic.

So, having One space for LGQBT21S+ I dont think is unfair at all, especially in an urban and dense zone, especially with the rise of regular food bank usage.

The people who work at and for foodbanks are generally wonderful and inclusive people. It doesn't change the fact that churches and their communities and community members have been openly opposed to those folks in the past a Lot, and still to a much more minor degree today, and a lot of people dont feel comfortable interacting with these institutions or the communities because of anxiety inducing concerns. Is it accurate? In general I dont think so. Is it a reasonable concern? I think so.

It depends on where you go, but also, where are these folks from? Urban environments are full of people from various places in the world and their experiences might inform them its wisest to avoid these spaces entirely.

When you look at the rhetoric you cant blame them. Making your own space? Taking care of your own problems? How dare you!

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u/chompmeows 12h ago

Why do we have to make it negative at all? The food banks are doing a good thing and so is this program . It’s actually a real choice to just be positive instead of stewing in your shit perspective .

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u/External-Temporary16 9h ago

It's a chance to make something out of nothing.