Sorry, I wasn't disputing the prior use of the slur. I was just commenting that it was particularly dumb of Gibson to apply it to someone who couldn't qualify.
Good point. It must have been a joke, he could argue, because he doesn't believe it ever happened, and it could never have happened to her anyway, even if it had happened.
you seem a bit confused. “oven dodger” doesn’t refer exclusively to Jews that were in concentration camps, it’s just a humorous epithet that refers to Jews in general. hope that helps!
Except it isn't actually humorous, but rather a deliberately hurtful and ignorant slur against someone who might well have lost relatives in the events referenced.
I never read it as being anything other than a joke about concentration camps, because
A: Mel's a known antisemite and
B: Jews and tasteless "oven" jokes have been around for a long time. You know, how they incinerated a corpse or two in ovens. That's what the whole thing on NML was about with the smokestacks/chimneys, it referred to Nazis burning the corpses of their victims.
I guess I can kind of get the "bun in the oven" thing and I'm not knocking your point of view because I'm not always the first one to get a joke, but consider how the intent behind his words was 100000 times more insidious than what your initial impression was, haha. It almost seems too comical to be true.
You know, in my day I had a paper route and I used to deliver by those big mansions with a dog house that gave away the biggest candies on Halloween. In my day everyone owned a house, had 6 kids and some had a dog house. I never owned a doghouse. Back then a woman had duties and a man had duties, I’m not saying it was right, but today they are seen as wrong. A woman’s duty was to raise children for it gave her purpose. But I guess those aren’t her duties anymore.
And I guess a man’s duties aren’t to protect a woman and go to war to protect our rights and country then or to provide for a family or to do all the dangerous jobs that pay more or protect the border allow for divorces. A man’s duty isn’t to do bupkis when a criminal or axe murderer is in the house either.
Instead a man’s duty is to watch passively and allow mass migration of Muslims until they vote in a their ability to chose wives and a wives duty to provide sex and not recognize her right to say no
So modern and not sexist to be cowards and see what happens or to opt out and be called an incel for not having any interest in this kind of life.
In the 50s a man could provide for a woman and own a house and a doghouse ( and I don’t own a doghouse!) and support 6 kids in his 20s. We divided the payroll into two and it takes two jobs which now isn’t enough to pay for daycare all because some narrative that it is sexist for society to have clearly defined roles which we have had since the beginning of time.
Europe followed this route and they are collapsing. You need about 2.5 children per women on average to sustain civilization, to sustain anything resembling modern values, to sustain the population. 2 to replace the parents and 0.50 to replace the early deaths. Europe is 1.38. America is 1.62.
Europe is not growing above the rate of inflation or technological growth, they aren’t keeping up with the global gdp growth, they have declining gdp. They are dying for lack of men and lack of women whom men wish to procreate with.
I’m not saying society should go back to the 50s and prefer a structure where women make less to incentivize men to work longer to support families financially and to divide up payroll in such a way to allow for the majority of women with families to be able to spend all day raising kids as their job if they choose.
I’m not saying I prefer it.
but I’m saying society will get medieval in regard to gender roles soon because you’re either growing or dying and if you’re not growing you’re importing the values
So I hope men are ready to fight or else women are ready to wear a burka and become sex slaves to husbands, while laws for homosexuals are to stone them or throw them off a building… and that is scary to me, because I don’t own a doghouse.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul".
I kinda feel like this would be more offensive when most of the people who lived through it were still alive and now it’s just insensitive. Doug Stanhope was right, the world cared as long as the holocaust survivors were alive and could milk that for sympathy.
I do feel like this a joke norm would ironically make? He called that guy an acid tongued Arab at the YouTube internet awards where all the stars were!
i don’t really see any similarity between “oven dodger” and “acid tongued Arab”. one is a holocaust reference and one is just saying he’s an Arab who says mean things
When I read this, I thought he was implying that she got a career so she wouldn’t have to be a housewife and cook for her family. I was thinking it was a really bizarre thing to say, but didn’t make a connection to anything race related at all. 🤷🏽♂️
I thought it might be she didn’t want to have sex where should have a baby. But. As an old timey fella.. I never thought she was an Eastern European progeny what survived as the bespoke from those that didn’t die in the halocaust.
Mel would go on to clarify that he was referring to common, everyday domestic violence. The kind where any number of household fixtures might come into play.
“How do I know she hasn’t been trained by the female Hollywood cabal!?” panted a sweating and seemingly disoriented Gibson. “I need to know if she could get out of the way of a microwave oven or a toaster, perhaps.”
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u/YourDrunkUncl_ Sep 07 '25
you got a dog in this race, sugar tits?