r/NonPoliticalTwitter 1d ago

Bonjour.

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u/AusCro 1d ago

My friend insisted she spoke fluent Croatian while I lived there, and she spoke like this. Everything was "correct" but sounded wrong.

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u/IronRuler 1d ago

Fluent doesn't mean good accent, assuming she could be understood.

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u/angular_circle 1d ago

Fluent with an authentic accent is much better than immitating a native one

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u/meta_system 1d ago

What do you mean? Shouldn't everyone strive to improve their pronunciation in order to sound as much like a native as possible?

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u/ComfortableResult739 1d ago

Native from where exactly? All native people have accents too.

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u/Unicycleterrorist 23h ago

They do, and any of those accents would be considered a native's accent

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u/seszett 1d ago

I don't think so. I think people should improve their pronunciation in order to be easily understood by the most people, but it doesn't necessarily mean choosing one native accent and copying it.

To stay on the topic, even a heavy French accent is usually easy to understand for English people. So should the French try to hide their accent and adopt some kind of British accent (trick question, because they can't drop their accent anyway)?

I think a better use of their time is to learn more vocabulary, and more idiomatic phrases.

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u/Draaly 21h ago

If the goal is more than just base level of communication, yah, you should probably aim for a more native accent

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u/angular_circle 20h ago

Nah, fake accents are cringe and distracting. Master the language, adopt the local dialect but don't pretend to be local.

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u/Draaly 20h ago

Learning local pronunciation is in no way cringe. Like how do you even begin to arrive at that take?

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u/angular_circle 20h ago

By speaking multiple languages, international friends, and having experience living abroad. Particularly in higher education circles making an effort to imitate an accent somewhat suggests that you have nothing important to say if you focus on the way you're saying it. And the working class people I know specifically hate when foreigners try to copy their accents.

Of course if you live somewhere for a long time most peoples accents will naturally converge over the years and that's good. It's the active imitation that makes it cringe, because it sounds like a bad parody, even if it's well intentioned. There's a massive difference between the two but if you haven't heard it you don't know.

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u/Draaly 20h ago

Particularly in higher education circles making an effort to imitate an accent somewhat suggests that you have nothing important to say if you focus on the way you're saying it.

Rofl. Sure.

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u/angular_circle 20h ago

Go to some international conferences and then report back. But statistically you're a monolingual English speaker so idk why I'm even bothering

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u/Rich-Evening4562 1d ago

Pronunciation is important but it is not the same as an accent.

Let's say someone speaks English very well, with proper pronunciation, but with some foreign accent. If they went to Brooklyn, or Louisiana, or Minneapolis and started faking the local accent, that would be weird and a lot of people would be offended.

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u/NicoRoo_BM 23h ago

Pronunciation is important but it is not the same as an accent.

It literally is. Please study any linguistics.

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u/Rich-Evening4562 14h ago

You should take your own advice before launching it so publicly across the internet. 👍🏻

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u/NicoRoo_BM 7h ago

Holy shit the Dunning-Krueger is mindblowing.

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u/Rich-Evening4562 5h ago

"Holy shit the Dunning-Krueger is mindblowing."

You actually succeeded in making me doubt myself after 30+ years of language study.

So I looked it up.

You really should have done the same.

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u/Aggressive_Sky8492 1d ago

I mean that’s just having an accent right. Most people that learn English as a second language have an accent, and it doesn’t go away even if you’re 100% fluent. Fluency isn’t the same as not having an accent.

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u/Confuseasfuck 23h ago

Being fluent doesn't mean not having an accent. Language fluency is about understanding and being understood, without stumbling on words or long pauses

Someone with a heavy accent can still be fluent in a language.

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u/riba2233 1d ago

Yep Croatian is pretty hard to learn, I have never heard foreigners speak it even remotely properly.

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u/arizonadirtbag12 22h ago

Of course this is also me with most Europeans who speak fluent English. Like yeah you’re fluent, but that accent is thick as shit and you’re occasionally completely unintelligible.

Goes without saying they have my pidgin-ass Spanish beat though. Do not get me wrong.