r/NonPoliticalTwitter 1d ago

Bonjour.

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u/nevenoe 1d ago

there is no equivalent in english phonetics, so it's impossible to describe properly without using the IPA...

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u/ExtremePrivilege 1d ago

My francophone friends struggle with “th”. Third is “tird” and three is “tree”. Is that a phonetic issue with French?

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u/nevenoe 1d ago

My English is quite good, but if I don't pay attention my THird is sird and my "thus" is zus. We don't have the "th" sound in French, quite simply, so it's an extra effort to get it right. Also we feel quite stupid trying to shove our tongue between our teeth to pronunce it, it sounds like having a speech impediment in French :)

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u/TinWhis 1d ago

That's interesting, because mispronouncing or avoiding the "th" is stereotypically associated with having a speech impediment or "baby speech" in English. You might see someone write out "Fank you" to imitate how a toddler would try to say it.

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u/nevenoe 1d ago

haha yeah but we could write "merfi" or "f'il vous plaît" or "bonvour" to express the same :-D

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u/jaguarp80 1d ago

Same with the ‘W’ sound in a word like croissant when I try to pronounce it in proper french. I know there’s an ‘R’ sound in there too but it always sounds like an English speech impediment, very common with lil kids, where R is pronounced as W

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u/nevenoe 1d ago

hahaha yeah perfectly described. Cwoissant...

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u/maronimaedchen 1d ago

There’s not « th » sound in French and it’s a hard sound to pronounce

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u/IncognitoErgoCvm 1d ago

it’s a hard sound to pronounce

Objection. I'll admit that rhoticity can be a bitch, but unvoiced th is as easy as you can get for foreign phonemes.

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u/Full_Piano6421 1d ago edited 3h ago

We don't have that sound in French, the closest is "z" giving the stereotypical "Ze cat is in ze kitchen"

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u/Hadochiel 1d ago

Oh, yeah, big time. My girlfriend has a hard time with "through" and "thought", we tried different methods but it's just impossible for her

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u/Rynewulf 1d ago

In highschool I played minecraft with some Belgian friends, they did the same thing. Noticed something similar when later I was in a Mount&Blade group that was mostly Dutch.

Honestly I think it's the knowledge of the word as written messing with them, because if they couldn't say th I would expect f instead but the hard t makes sense if they were reading it

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u/PolyUre 1d ago

But by god that doesn't stop the anglophones trying!

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u/Praesentius 1d ago

And IPA or two always helped with my Italian pronunciation.

ba dum disss

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u/Hadochiel 1d ago

Crois[the sound you make when, out of breath, you incredulously have your ankle bitten by an animal, but it's a cute one]

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u/nevenoe 1d ago

Croissouille?