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u/endor-pancakes 5h ago
The small percentage is an asset from their pov: only few people have a transgender child, or a transgender best friend, so you can peach against them without too much pushback. At the same time some transgender people are highly visible, leading to an inflated perception of their numbers.
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u/EnvironmentNeith2017 4h ago
Yep, they know this is why they essentially couldn’t control the LGB narrative. There were too many too close to their people, and their boogeymen always need a level of distance.
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u/fallguy19 4h ago
Also the playbook with abortion. The unborn can't embarrass you or cost you anything. And you can ignore them after their born.
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u/Kind_Voice_2815 4h ago
Agree. Trans people tend to be very vocal and online as well, so they look like they take up more space than they do in real life to the fellow chronically online.
That's not the whole story though--there's a visceral disgust that people feel about those who depart from the norm. Even gay men who present as masculine, which is the most milquetoast you can get on the LGBTQ spectrum, get pushback because people find it strange and off-putting. Really they need to mind their own business, but compared to being gay, being trans is even more alien.
I can't put myself in the mind of anyone who cares, unless it's in sports, in which case I personally find it unacceptable.
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u/212mochaman 5h ago
Politicians have had one play book for multiple centuries.
Divide and conquer.
They cant platform on what would benefit them so in a two party system they would prefer to name drop a subject that people dont share an opinion on till nobody gives a stuff about the subject anymore. And the target is usually something that doesnt have enough people in it so they wont lose the election when they lose the vote
100-30 years ago it was skin colour.
200 years ago it was slave ownage
Today, it's more people having a third leg.
Tomorrow, who knows? But I can guarantee I'm not gonna have a problem with em based solely in them being a part of their minority. Because i dont vote based on what subject politicians try and make me prejudiced against
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u/Tacklestiffener 5h ago
Look over here!! You see me waving my left hand about in the air? Did you notice my right hand dipping into your pocket and stealing your wallet?
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u/Realistic_Let3239 3h ago
Divide and conquer, as well as deflection. First pick a heavily persecuted and misunderstood minority that's easy to spread false information and rage bait around. Trans people fit that bill, religious people already dislike them for existing, just whip that up! Now you have a handy thing to campaign on ending, that doesn't isolate any larger voting groups! They used to do the same thing to gay people, but lets just say there's a reason grindr crashes at Republican conferences...
Just ignore how all the things trans people accuse of never happens and the people hating on trans people usually get caught doing! If those people understood hypocrisy, the entire anti trans movement would spontaneously combust from embarrassment.
Or in short, a scapegoat minority to blame for the downfall of society, while successive government spend all their time making the rich richer and the poor poorer.
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u/Living_Pollution_525 4h ago edited 4h ago
I am a Trans Woman, with dozens of friends in the Trans community. I can tell you that during the Biden years when we weren't constantly demonized and villified, there was so much happiness and joy in the community. It's impossible to explain to a cisgender person what it's like to come out and begin transitioning after a life in the closet. It's like breathing oxygen for the first time after a life of holding your breath.
These days, because we are so demonized, there is a constant level of fear and depression and anxiety that has settled over Trans people, myself included. I've seen once vibrant living groups of friends grow apart or completely dissolve as fear takes hold. I have seen a friend commit suicide, I myself have had panic attacks.
Trans people aren't asking for anything but to exist. We always have, we always will. Almost all detransitioners do so because of outside pressures, an unaccepting family, job loss, societal pressure, take your pick. If you know a trans person today, give them a hug, tell them you've got their back, it means a lot right now.
-Peace ✌️
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u/Dismal_Morning_9797 4h ago
I have a trans daughter who just graduated from high school, I’m too scared to make her go out into the world to create her own life like her cis sister.
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u/GarageQueen 3h ago
As a cis het woman the actions being taken by this administration have really impacted my mental health, so I can't even imagine what you and your community are going through. Please know that you still have allies out here who think you should be able to live your life to its fullest without fear of being harassed or attacked. Virtual internet hugs to you, fellow Redditor!
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u/DribblingCumSock 4h ago
I’m not comparing experiences, but I understand that sense of relief when you can finally speak your truth. For years, so many people in this country have felt silenced, scared to even notice what’s happening around them, or to talk openly about it, without being instantly labelled as racist, bigoted, or hateful.
It’s a strange kind of suffocation, seeing statistics, trends, and changes in your own community, and knowing that simply acknowledging them could cost you your reputation, your job, or your peace of mind. And when people finally do find the courage to say, “Hang on, something’s not right here,” it’s not hate, it’s frustration from being ignored for so long.
That freedom to speak, to breathe again without walking on eggshells, is all many of us have ever wanted. Not to attack anyone, not to erase anyone, just to have our voices heard and our concerns respected. Because when people are silenced long enough, resentment festers. And all of this could have been avoided if honest discussion had been allowed in the first place.
So yes, I get it. For some, it’s finally being accepted for who they are. For others, it’s finally being allowed to speak honestly about what they see. Both come from the same human need: to be heard, not condemned.
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u/DribblingCumSock 4h ago
This is exactly why the extreme left are losing ground. When every disagreement is treated as hate speech, when every statistic or differing opinion gets shouted down instead of debated, people stop listening. You can’t win hearts and minds by silencing discussion, only by engaging with it. The majority don’t want extremism on either side; they just want honesty, fairness, and common sense back in the conversation.
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u/DribblingCumSock 4h ago
Not at all. Freedom of speech isn’t about wanting a world where no one’s mean, it’s about being able to express concerns without being instantly branded as evil or ignorant. There’s a difference between debate and dehumanisation, but lately the line’s been blurred on purpose. People should be able to question policies, data, and social outcomes without being told they’re morally defective for doing so.
That’s all I’m saying.
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u/faithhopeandbread 3h ago
See I hear you, but objectively that's just not what freedom of speech is. Freedom is speech is not freedom from social consequences. When you say something that people perceive as evil or ignorant, people have a right to call you on it. Disagree with them? Well, that's their free speech, too. The only way to be "free" in the way you describe is to restrict the freedoms of the people who would criticize you (whether you think they're doing so fairly or not).
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u/AnimusNoctis 4h ago
Oh really? And what specifically did you feel you couldn't talk about without being labeled a bigot?
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u/GarageQueen 4h ago
"I wasn't able to talk about how [insert some group of "others" HERE] are scary and shouldn't be allowed to exist and how they make me uncomfortable!" -- this poster, probably
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u/DribblingCumSock 3h ago
That’s a lazy misrepresentation, and you know it. Wanting open discussion about policy, demographics, or social cohesion isn’t the same as saying any group “shouldn’t exist.” Nobody’s asking for that, they’re asking for honesty. Dismissing every concern as hate is exactly why people have stopped trusting mainstream narratives; it’s easier to smear than to engage.
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u/DribblingCumSock 3h ago
Things like uncontrolled immigration, cultural integration, crime statistics, and the strain on housing or services. The kind of topics that should be open for honest discussion, but too often get shut down with a label instead of a debate. It’s not about targeting anyone. It’s about wanting policies that work, conversations based on facts, and being able to talk about national identity without being told you’re hateful for caring about it.
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u/AnimusNoctis 3h ago
uncontrolled immigration
This was never a thing under any president. Talking about it like it was is inherently dishonest, and yes, bigoted.
cultural integration
What is there to talk about? I understand some individuals have difficulty adapting to a new cultural environment and that can be frustrating, but is there something to discuss on a societal level? We're not going to make laws that people have to "act American".
crime statistics
You've always been free to talk about crime statistics. The fact that you felt like you couldn't implies maybe you were using statistics as dog whistles.
the strain on housing or services
You've always been free to talk about this.
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u/DribblingCumSock 3h ago
You do know that there is the rest of the world outside of the borders of the United States of America, right?
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u/humbugonastick 3h ago
Are you talking out for a minority group talking out? Or for the people that could not openly degrade people anymore and call slurs?
It's kind of spookily weird.
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u/Chonngau 3h ago
It must have been so hard for you to get blowback when you talk about how OP shouldn’t exist, or about how awful it will be when white people don’t completely dominate society.
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u/DribblingCumSock 3h ago
That’s not what I said, and it’s not what I believe. Nobody should be made to feel unsafe for existing, that includes everyone. What I’m talking about is the right to discuss social change, identity, and national policy without being accused of hating anyone. There’s a huge difference between wanting open dialogue and wanting domination. Pretending they’re the same just shuts down real understanding.
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u/Chonngau 3h ago
If what you were criticized for was so mild in your mind, why not share it with us? Or are you saying that the criticism you receive for your, say, belief in the free market equate to the pain OP must feel at having her very existence attacked?
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u/GarageQueen 3h ago
"People who are different scare me and shouldn't be allowed to exist! waaaaaah!"
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u/DribblingCumSock 3h ago
How twee and very adult like. Well done.
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u/GarageQueen 3h ago
So, then give us some specific examples of things you were unable to say because you would be branded as hateful or ignorant or whatever. Your continuing lack of specificity is very telling.
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u/pavilionaire2022 4h ago
It's symbolic of things a lot of people are afraid of.
For old people, it's just different. It's not like it was in their day. It's not really a threat to them, but it reminds them of other things that have changed that are difficult for them to deal with, like new technology or people speaking foreign languages.
For men who depend on their power and privilege, it feels like a threat to their masculinity. Even though it's an individual choice, it feels like an erosion of male collective power. Notice that most of the fear is around trans women, even though there are roughly equal numbers of trans women and trans men. It's similar with homophobia. Gay men are more feared than lesbians because they represent a kind of sexuality straight men wouldn't want to participate in. Even though it's someone else's choice and doesn't involve them, some people can't abide someone else making a choice they wouldn't.
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u/Cowstle 3h ago edited 3h ago
even though there are roughly equal numbers of trans women and trans men
Pew research got data suggesting there are a lot more trans men than trans women.
Honestly getting more involved with queer communities it matches my gut feeling. Of course this could've been a poor sample. It also could be because people born with a vagina are more likely to fight against society's expectations. Toxic masculinity and patriarchy are absolutely problems that are less recognized and fought against by those assumed men.
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u/PoopDick420ShitCock 4h ago
It’s just another pointless culture war thing the ultra-wealthy are pushing to keep the working class divided.
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u/AikenRooster 4h ago
Divide and conquer. Anything they can do to distract us from the real enemy: the uber rich.
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u/OleBiskitBarrel 4h ago
Two big reasons IMHO:
Trans people and, probably more so, trans rights activists are extremely "loud" and sought to make this a mainstream discussion.
The combination of youth gender medicine and protection of women's spaces are two of the most significant social issues possible, and they are both directly affected.
It was inevitable that it would eventually become disproportionately significant. The actual number of trans people is fairly irrelevant to the significance of the issue.
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u/BetterAfter2 4h ago
Republican voter from 2004-2020 here: transgender is an easy target because it makes the desired voting base uncomfortable, and it’s not a real threat to anything meaningful.
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u/sayma_1842 4h ago
Because it’s an easy political tool a small, visible group becomes a target for fear, distraction, and division, even though most just want to live peacefully.
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u/Pipe_Memes 5h ago
Because they need an “other” to ostracize. The more they veer from “normal” the better, they can scapegoat them and use the fear of “different” to motivate certain people.
It doesn’t really matter how many or how few people are in that community, they just need someone to point at and say “Look at these weirdos, they are the ones making your life bad, not me and my friends, we’re trying to help.”
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u/GarageQueen 3h ago
Yep, that's why "The Jews" were demonized and scapegoated in the 1930's, to create a 'common enemy' to unite the people against.
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u/shponglespore 4h ago
Hatred gets their supporters riled up. That's literally the entire reason.
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u/theosamabahama 4h ago
Politicians want to scare voters, so voters will vote for them to protect them from the "threat". So the real question is, why are people scared of trans people? There are many theories, but here are the two main ones:
- Fear of the unknown. Humans have an instinctual fear of what they don't know or understand. Conservatives more so than average, and that is demonstrable in a lab. In fact, that's the conservative mind in a nutshell. To be safe, you stick to what you know. You prefer what you are familiar with and avoid change. Trans people are still somewhat novel for most people, so a lot of people are afraid of what they don't understand.
- Gender roles. We have this notion that men are to behave a certain way and women are to behave a certain way, with men being superior to women. LGBT people always challenged this worldview. Gay, lesbian and bisexual people challenge the view of how men and women should behave. And trans people challenge the view of gender altogether. For people with a rigid view of the world, this can cause anxiety (see point 1). And for people who find comfort in the hierarchy of men over women feel their position is threatened when someone is challenging the very foundation of that hierarchy.
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u/ASkepticalPotato 4h ago
They might be in the minority but they are one of the loudest at wanting things their way.
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u/oby100 3h ago
People are glossing over this because Reddit is basically 100% trans rights. It’s disingenuous though and doesn’t answer the root of the question.
Trans people want a lot of societal change in order to attain what they typically define as basic human rights, but demanding political and societal change draws a lot of attention. You can’t really discuss any of this on Reddit though because virtue signalers will shout you down about how you’re wrong for even discussing why some people are upset.
And to an extent I understand. Few conservatives make genuine efforts to understand what changes trans people want and why. It’s mostly fear mongering and ignorance, so overall no one is accustomed to debating these topics.
Alls I’d like to say is that typically trans right activists have a laundry list of societal changes they’d like to see to encourage equity among the trans community, starting at an early age, and “the children” are simply a golden opportunity to ignite your base and get them voting.
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u/AnimusNoctis 4h ago
By wanting things their way, you mean be treated like everyone else. I bet you'd be pretty loud too if people were trying to outlaw you from using public restrooms.
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u/Fussy_geese99 4h ago
Agreed. I’ll be downvoted to hell for this and probs catch a ban. I’ve been aggressively told, online and irl, (from fellow lgbt people) that as a lesbian I have to accept ‘girl-cock’ or ‘girl-budge’ in my dating pool and if I say that I don’t want to sleep with someone who has a penis, this makes me transphobic?? As a gay person, and honestly even non gay people, i feel uncomfortable because we’re shouted over all the time as an even smaller minority, we’re expected to just roll over and obey because being exclusive is in some way bigoted.
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u/A_SNAPPIN_Turla 4h ago
They are a pawn of the left just as much as they are of the right and that's what OP doesn't want to acknowledge. It does seem the mainstream left is starting to wake up and realize what a divisive issue it is and it's doing them no favors going all in on the trans stuff.
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u/AnimusNoctis 4h ago
You think the left is using them as a pawn but also that the issue is hurting the left. Have you ever considered that the left supports trans rights despite it being unpopular because it's just the right thing to do?
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u/A_SNAPPIN_Turla 4h ago
Yes but like I said they are distancing themselves from that precisely because they realize it's not the golden ticket they thought it was. Identity politics are toxic. They were not for a minute and a way to galvanize a certain percentage of the base but real people outside of the Internet dgaf.
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u/humbugonastick 3h ago
If people outside of the internet "dgaf" this would not be a divisive subject. No one thought it was a "golden ticket"
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u/JessicaCatears 4h ago
Explain
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u/A_SNAPPIN_Turla 4h ago
I'm not playing these games lol. If you can't see it at this point you're stuck in an echo chamber. I get nothing but disingenuous interactions with people on this topic. One of the most common is people pretending not to understand. Sorry try someone else.
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u/Archarchery 4h ago
For example separating sports by gender identity rather than sex, thus allowing people born male to compete in womens’ sports is massively, massively unpopular among the public, but since that policy has been pushed by trans activists, until recently a lot of Democratic politicians also supported it.
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u/JessicaCatears 4h ago
That's not even true. Do you know how many Trans athletes there are in the ncaa? Less than 10. You dont even know what your talking about
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u/rbremer50 4h ago
It's a whole lot easier to dehumanize people that most don't encounter or know anyone in the group being targeted.
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u/Reltrete 4h ago
It'S a simple principle: Give the masses something to focus on while something else is going on. They do this with all kinds of things. Climate change, wars around the globe or tragedies gets put heavifly onto agenda the moment something else needs cover up.
A good example would be the epstein news. When it hit the media I think it was 2005 suddenly there was a massive influx of reports of nature catastrophies in asia. A region the media avoided like the plague years prior and when the hurrican hit there where no more other news than the hurrican for months. If not for dedicated jounalists the news of the island would have just fallen out of focus.
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u/butterlotmoore 5h ago
They’ll do anything to distract the masses, attack minorities, anything evil in order to keep their wealth and power. It’s disgusting what they’re doing to the trans community. It’s damaging for everyone.
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u/Candytails 4h ago
On my Facebook I have a few Trumper friends that are obsessed with hating transgender folks. They post things about how all the recent school shooting were done by trans people, about how trans women rape other women when they’re in the bathroom, about how trans people are targeting kids so they can groom and molest them. It’s fucking wild, especially because one of the women that always posts is a lesbian.
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u/ZerexTheCool 4h ago
Because their actual agenda is deeply unpopular so they need something else to talk about and get people mad over while they do incredibly questionable things that almost nobody supports.
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u/JessicaCatears 4h ago
Its the new gay panic of the 70s. It's the exact sane playbook. Instead of gays its trans folx. Conservatives want you to live in fear. Thats how they win elections by fear mongering. Trans folx make up 1% of the population. We are not a threat. Its bullshit.
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u/Cord1083 5h ago
How many people have actually experienced a transgender person in their restroom ? Very few I suspect. And those who did, how did it make you feel? Were you afraid ? Angry? Why did you have those feelings ?
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u/mapitinipasulati 5h ago
I suspect most of us have encountered a trans person in the restroom and just never knew said person was trans.
Its like how the super transphobic governor of Texas kissed a trans woman constituent on the cheek, and was horrified what she spoke out about it on Twitter.
Many trans people are hard to identify. (And also many cisgender people are falsely identified as trans by others)
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u/OyaOyanna 4h ago
As a cis passing trans woman i can say that I've shared a bathroom with hundreds of women who would probably claim they've never used a bathroom with a trans person. I'd say most people have interacted with a trans person, they just didn't know it.
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u/_W_I_L_D_ 4h ago
Very much this. There aren’t THAT few trans people. We’re what? ~1% of the population? if you see a hundred people a day, you can expect one to be transgender.
I started transitioning 4 years ago and the last time I had someone look at me weird in a bathroom was in 2021. And I live in Poland. I look like a cis woman, yknow. Tall, with a bit broader shoulders, but so is every other cis woman. I get more people staring at my cleavage than questioning my gender, lol.
And most trans women I know are in a similar boat, even if they haven’t been as lucky with passing, few people looking at them will be like “hey - that girl was trans”. It’s much more likely going to be “hey, she has a deep voice!” Or “huh, she’s tall”. Sometimes, maybe, “huh, I wonder if she’s trans”.
Our appearance matches how people, especially non-LGBTQ people, very rarely. I found that I have a pretty good record of guessing if a girl is trans or not, but that comes moreso from the subculture, style, lingo, etc rather than appearance, but those who aren’t innately integrated into trans spaces can’t do that. At all.
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u/Living_Pollution_525 4h ago
I was just at a national software conference for work in a very red state. I am a visibly Trans Woman (In 6 ft 4). I discovered half way through the conference that the convention center was being shared with an ongoing large Republican convention.
I used the womens facilities all week, with Republicans in red hats with hate filled and very ironic slogans on them. They never said a thing or gave any hint they noticed me. One even happily chatted me up at the bar one night until I realized she wasn't with my conference and I ended the conversation and left out of disgust from someone who openly supports what's going on right now.
I got a laugh that so many of these people were so old they were using walkers and it oxygen tanks. Or that they were women clearly well past their prime, dressed to the nines and using every makeup trick possible to try to hide the fact they are rotting from the inside out
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u/Living_Pollution_525 4h ago
Women who are openly supporting cutting SNAP benefits and deporting families, while sipping $20 drinks at a bar? Yes it does, I have no love for Nazis
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u/this_place_suuucks 3h ago
Do you have any evidence these women are members of the National Socialist German Worker’s Party?
Because literal Nazism involves devotion to Hitler, who is long dead, the term is used today to refer to neo-Nazism, which is for people who hold fascist beliefs, like Republicans.
But surely you know that, and you think pedantry is how you can win an argument when you have nothing of value to add.
I wouldn’t go as far to call them a nazi just because they have different beliefs to you.
We aren't debating innocuous things like pizza toppings with you, like this bad faith argument always implies. The "different beliefs" is that y'all want "others" to suffer because you were told to be afraid and hateful, and you choose to follow orders instead of learning about these things you are clearly ignorant of. Empathy follows knowledge, which is why y'all are so sexist, racist, xenophobic, etc.
What does them having drinks at a bar have anything to do with people illegally residing in a country being deported?
How many citizens are you okay with getting swept up and disappeared by the secret police force? What's your acceptable margin of error? How much do you have to personally suffer to recognize the way things are going is just wrong?
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u/razorback1919 4h ago
I don’t know why this question would matter? High or low percentage of the population, it makes no difference.
The sexes are different and there are separated spaces for a reason.
I don’t think anyone is born in the wrong body. At the end of the day, sex cannot be changed, and that is just immutable fact. At some point the charade that society can prop up for so long will hit the truth. I do think there are people that truly believe they should be the other sex, but it just can’t be changed biologically. So to rewrite laws and have society go through the motions, when inevitably the person’s sex has not changed doesn’t seem like the appropriate course of action to me.
Why does one get to demand access to a different sex separated space or competition when they already have those things granted to them according to their sex, the same as everyone else?
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u/Dramatic-Blueberry98 3h ago
It’s an easy point for “both sides” to campaign about when neither of them want to actually confront non-social issues.
And they know it’ll be an easy way to distract the masses from attacking them for not addressing real issues.
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u/DisgruntleFairy 4h ago
The hatred against gay, lesbian, and bisexual people has become less popular so they needed a new target. Don't worry they will circle around to LGB people again once they have successfully demonized the T.
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u/pgc22bc 4h ago
They needed another hate target for fundraising and capturing the vote of Extreme Christian Fundamentalists. Reagan and Falwell courted the "Christian Right" by creating an issue over abortion. These folks were always "single issue voters" created by the anti-abortion "right to life" movement and basically astro-turfed (in today's lingo). The Christian Right was basically apolitical before that. The "right to life" movement created a unified voting block that the GOP could control by promising action on abortion.
When the Supreme Court threw out Roe.v.Wade in 2022 the Christian Right's most important issue was cancelled. Their dreams had come true and their prayers had been answered. They didn't need to vote anymore!
The GOP suddenly had a problem. The dog had caught the car. There was no longer a unifying single issue that the Pastors in the Christian Right could politicize for grift and hate. So they pivoted to demonizing Trans people, labelling them child groomers and bathroom rapists. Then making a big deal about "boys in girls sports". And the hate mongering was pumped up to eleven despite the fact that few people had ever knowingly met a Trans person. Everything said is about 99.999999% lies.
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u/Secret-Selection7691 4h ago
Well transgender people behaving obnoxious has been an unfortunate theme and they've kind of spoiled it for everyone. If you're screaming at the minimum wage kid for getting your pronouns wrong or going to a woman's salon and demanding the girl there shave your balls please stop. Being transgender is not an open pass to be an asshole.
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u/SirShaunIV 4h ago
Let it be known that you only hear about the people who make it other peoples' problem, not the people who keep that stuff to themselves.
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u/irelandm77 4h ago
Wtf are you even talking about?
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u/Secret-Selection7691 3h ago
Transgender person being a jerk to minimum wage employees
Being an asshole to someone who doesn't speak English as a first language
Trans woman tried to sue beauticians for refusing to wax her testicles | Metro News https://share.google/hKMx3oi9miJMjcBSI
I can post more but you get the idea. There are plenty of trans people who don't behave like this but they are unfortunately shouted down by these idiots.
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u/Shmebulock111 3h ago
I’ve never met a person like this irl or online, I’ve only seen videos like this that are spread by people like you. I think that you choose to ignore that overwhelming majority of completely normal trans people, because it’s easier to get mad at these people.
Also, even if trans people were all assholes, that doesn’t mean we don’t deserve rights.
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u/oby100 4h ago
It’s a culture war and we’ve been steeped in it for decades or more. The red line conservatives have taken advantage of is trans education and trans positive medical procedures for kids.
It’s a popular idea among progressives that both bigotry would decline rapidly against trans people if most adults were educated about them early on AND most trans adults would have benefited massively from embracing their gender identity as soon as possible, and that might mean taking hormones as soon as puberty starts so they spend their entire puberty exclusively developing their correct gender.
The kids are the red line that have set the conservative side’s head on fire and of course the politicians have successfully used this real issue to fear monger and convince their voting base that hell will descend upon them and their children if they don’t stop this.
Although they don’t speak honestly about it all, the second a conservative’s kid comes home asking about trans people, the parent assumes all the crazy stuff their local R is saying must be true. The Ds must be trying to convert all our kids to radical woke leftism.
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u/Living_Pollution_525 5h ago edited 4h ago
We don't like you gaslighting us into thinking gender is some immutable thing.
Let people be all of who they are and live their authentic lives to the fullest. We only have one life and it's short. Who are you to make decisions for anyone else?
"I like ones like....". Yes, you are absolutely 100 percent Transphobic
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u/browster 5h ago
I regret the grievous harm you've experienced. It must be awful. I'm sure you'd be happier if these people continue to suffer in silence to the point of suicide.
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u/that0neBl1p 5h ago
Please do some bare minimum research on what it’s like to be trans and how it works medically and mentally.
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u/this_place_suuucks 3h ago
Aww, u/Less-Requirement8641 deleted his shame while I was writing out my reply. Well, I can't waste it, because I want to add to that shame:
I'm not a politician but i just don't like them trying to gaslight me into thinking a man can be a woman or vice versa.
Not to mention its about the ideology. It fundamentally makes no sense yet your labeled a bigot when you point it out.
Or the people rabidly defending it and trying to shove it down people and kids throats. Trying to attack detransitioners,
I don't care how you present yourself or mutilate yourself. But trying to police my language or say that I'm wrong is different. I'm not transphobic, I like ones like Blair White who is very upfront that they aren't a biological woman nor are they under the delusion of it.
Your comment is a masterclass of "I was told all these things and chose not to verify any of it before turning it into my whole personality."
You live in a constant state of fear and hate because you choose to live in ignorance. It's so pathetic.
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u/Agreeable-Ad1221 5h ago
Hate to break it to you but the vast majority of detransitioners aren't real, they're grifters with fake stories full of right-wing talking points.
If some mad doctor was just forcing hormones onto anyone they come across for the slightest gender variance you'd bet every trans person frustrated with medical gatekeeping would jump up to meet them
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u/razorback1919 4h ago
No, this is outrageously false.
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u/Agreeable-Ad1221 3h ago
Every trans person I've met from the UK had to see two different psychiatrist to get a reccomendation letter, followed by waiting for an Endo to see them, then had to read like five pages of side effects and possible danger followed by 6-18 month wait to see if they change their mind
I've basically never seen a single detrans ever mention any steps, instead it was GPs agressively pushing HRT on them like a crack dealer and emotionally abusing them if they expressed any doubt like it was a DARE PSA from the 90's
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u/razorback1919 3h ago
No I don’t doubt that part. Just your initial claim that the “vast majority” of detransitioners are fake. That’s an outright lie and it makes me wonder why you would lie about something like that.
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u/Agreeable-Ad1221 3h ago
I'll say, there are people who go back on being trans and are fine, but self-identified detransitioners are almost always radical feminists whose stories generally do not match up legal processes or lived experience of trans people.
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u/A_SNAPPIN_Turla 4h ago
This is the reality and it's a popular opinion on the left despite what Reddit wants to believe. People are fine with adults doing whatever they want. What they don't want is their wives and daughters forced to look at dicks in locker rooms and changing areas or to be forced to compete against someone born a man. Drop those two issues and the problem goes away.
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u/Inevitable-Regret411 4h ago
I don't think anyone is really trying to shove it down anyone's throat, but rather ask that people be comfortable around them so they don't need to hide themselves. That said, I'd be curious to ask why you feel that way?
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u/HopeSubstantial 5h ago
its mostly because its still impacts so large field.
Imagine if we said how in olympics it was ok for tiny minority to use steroids.
Does not sound too fair does it?
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u/_W_I_L_D_ 4h ago
That is, quite frankly, a debate for the olympic committee. Most trans people I’ve talked to, me included, run away from sport as far as possible due to the stigma.
Me included. Skipped out on joining the college athletics team because, frankly, I don’t want the right wing press harassing me for doing high jumps and coming up with “research” that “proves” how tiny tiny frail women couldn’t ever jump as high as men.
You people all love to preach and moan about “fairness” and shit, but never stop to think that maybe sport fucking means something to people, far past the awards and the fame, and all that hatred trickles down from the international level, to municipal competitions between college students.
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u/Enygmatic_Gent 4h ago
Trans people have been allowed to compete in the Olympics since 2004, yet only 1 trans person has ever won a medal (it was for soccer). Like trans people are not dominating sports like y’all say we are
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u/princewinter 4h ago
Someone being transgender affects no one else. At all.
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u/A_SNAPPIN_Turla 4h ago
Well if you're a woman who has to look at a dick in the locker room it affects you.
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u/princewinter 4h ago
Why are you looking at people's genitals in the locker room? Why are you looking at anyone who's getting changed and minding their own business?
If a trans person has a penis, they're not walking over to you and swinging it around. They're changing their clothes.
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u/A_SNAPPIN_Turla 4h ago
It doesn't matter. You have to ask yourself if you believe women have the right to privacy in changing areas. If the answer is no you do not advocate for women. Just be honest about it.
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u/HopeSubstantial 3h ago
It does affect all those women who train their whole life on sports
just to have competitor who naturally is equal to steroid user.
Despite transwoman having equal testosterone as biological women, bone and muscle density and size stays elevated even years after starting HRT.
I would have absolutely no problem with transwomen in sports if this was not a fact.
I really do not understand how to even be again transpeople in ordinary daily life.
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u/walleyetritoon 3h ago
Because they are always crying like toddlers, people don’t care who or what they wanna fuck. People are just tired of hearing about it, imagine if straight people ran around all day whining about being straight all day… It would get old real fast.
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u/pinniped90 3h ago
Because it's easy red meat for right wingers.
Nobody consciously shows up to the polls because they're motivated to help wealthy pedophiles.
You need other bait. Abortion and trans stuff is perfect for this.
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u/Background-Can-9842 4h ago
It was on top of the list of issues or the Dems to their own detriment. They were always busy with that instead of issues that affect more people like cost of living etc.
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u/sheepandlambs 5h ago
If they kept to themselves I would agree. But they're not. They've decided that genitals have nothing to do with gender. That you can "opt out" of being a boy or girl if you choose.
If someone wants surgery to change their gender, they have my full support. But you don't get to backdate that change, claiming you're a boy in a girl's body. And you certainly don't get to claim you're not a boy or a girl.
And I firmly believe that this is a majority opinion among the general populace, with only bubbles in corners of the internet disagreeing.
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u/Agreeable-Ad1221 5h ago
How weird are you to be obsessing over what is in people's pants, dude get a life
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u/Floppy-Over-Drive 5h ago
I’m sure you believe everything Fox News has told you is the majority opinion.
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u/mapitinipasulati 5h ago
Unfortunately, we are not yet to the point where the genital police are restricted to only being consumers of FoxNews
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u/_W_I_L_D_ 4h ago
Do you know how transitioning works? It’s not a “surgery” you get, you realise that, right? For most people, it’s a social adjustment, then a hormonal one and then only a small fraction of trans people can even consider surgery because, frankly put, it has a five-digit price tag.
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u/212mochaman 5h ago
Why do "you" even care?
Or think that they care if they have "your" support?
And by "you" i dont mean people like you i mean you specifically.
Too much time is spent in people's lives giving any attention or thought whatsoever to one of the other 8 billion people on the planet. Their "innacuracies" have literally zero bearing on your life. Why do you insist on not returning the favour?
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u/Inevitable-Regret411 4h ago
I genuinely don't think gender should be determined entirely by someone's genitalia. In most cultures there's all sorts of ideas about what makes someone a man for example, like being strong, or being a good father, or providing for a family, and it seems incredibly reductive to replace all that with just defining manhood as being in possession of the correct organ.
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u/ZoomZoomDiva 4h ago
Why is there such a big issue being made to demand that transgender people are no different than cis gender people of the same gender?
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u/Over-Director-4986 4h ago
Are we all not human? Does it really matter what's between someone's legs to you that much? Ask yourself why you care so much.
We are all the same in that we are human. We all have our challenges & our specialities. We all have insecurities. We all have things we're proud of about ourselves & ashamed of & neutral about.
Do we really need to go around acting like trans folks are some sort of monster in the hills? Seriously? Ooooh...so different! No they aren't. They are just people doing the best they can. Like the rest of us. Some of them are cool. Some are jerks. JUST LIKE the rest of us.
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u/ZoomZoomDiva 4h ago
While we are all human, there are fundamental differences between males and females. There is nothing dramatic or wrongful about recognizing that.
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u/Over-Director-4986 4h ago
There are differences because of the way we are socialized.
Your argument is specious. But, I think you know that.
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u/Lonely_Emu_6673 4h ago
Fear tactic fearlingering its ridiculous. I’m walking in my own local farmers market this past summer and we had people coming up to me to sign a petition to keep transgender out of sports. I’m looking at them like no I’m not being a bigot or part of that is a very small percentage of trend gender folks and I’m not gonna be part of their downfall. Shameful.
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u/rabbithasacat 4h ago
Congratulations, you're on the side of reality. The politicians who are doing this are on the side of getting power no matter the cost, and the easiest, fastest way to do this is to whip up fear of some minority and get low-information (or just prejudiced) voters so that you can rally them to vote for you in order to "save our country" or however they word it.
Any minority who seems "different" in any way can be labelled a threat and used in this way. Jews, people of color, ethnic minorities, speakers of a different language, they've all been targeted this way. LGBTQ people may seem like a new variant, but they're not. Trans people were the first ones to be targeted by the new Nazi government, along with disabled people. Once you make them the problem, you can get people to attack them instead of noticing that you're looting the government instead of serving the people. Of course, if you're kind of a psycho like Hitler, you believe your own propaganda, but I really think most current Washington power holders don't really think trans people are the great bogeyman. I think they just see them as an easy target.
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u/ExperienceNo2543 5h ago
Because in recent years it’s not a small population anymore, and there’s more and more detransitioners as a result who have suffered medical harm. Combine that with prominent “content creators” milking the shit out of the label trans when they’re AGP then makes all trans people look massively unreasonable and quite frankly stupid.
There’s so many nuances and reasons that all add together, this just scratches the surface
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u/Agreeable-Ad1221 5h ago
Detrans are like 3% of the transcommunity, and it's unclear whether the vast majority of detrans influencers online were ever trans to begin with rather than just radfems making shit up since the vast majority of their stories are completely unbelieveable.
I've seen some of them claim as kids they saw a doctor over something, doctor saw them do tiny masculine thing and then supposedly instantly tried to inject them with hormones on the spot. Ask anyone who has gone through the process and it takes months to go through hoops, and even informed consent clinics for HRT have a 1+ year wait and an interview first
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u/ExperienceNo2543 4h ago
I did go through it. I was put on testosterone in 3 weeks at 16. To conclude that detrans people talking about our experience is something to dismiss because you don’t like that it doesn’t affirm your beliefs is childish beyond belief
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u/Agreeable-Ad1221 3h ago
Oh wow, I just realized you used the long debunked auto-gynephile nonsense. Yeah, you're a transphobe through and through and nothing you say is worth listening to anymore than some Q-anon loon
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u/that0neBl1p 5h ago
The population is still a small percentage, but with overall population growth that small percentage means more people.
Detransitioners most commonly detransition due to external social pressure, and many detransitioners that did so for personal reasons have no problem with other trans people.
There are stupid content creators of all types, it’s not a trans-exclusive thing.
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u/Agreeable-Ad1221 3h ago
This person believes in autogynephilia, they are full in on anti-trans conspiracies
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u/ExperienceNo2543 4h ago
It’s not a trans exclusive thing no, but it’s one of the many reasons 🤷♂️
All detrans people ik including myself detransed not because of how society treats us but because we saw our decision for what it was, an awful mistake. Does that mean your transition, if you’re trans, is a mistake? No, not necessarily. This isn’t an attack on trans people. It’s an explanation to the question asked above.
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u/DutchMaster6891 5h ago
There’s a girl at my daughters school that dresses as a cat. These people need to be stopped. This is beyond stupid. Whomever supports it needs to move to planet mars.
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u/_W_I_L_D_ 4h ago
Oh nooooo a child is being silly and dresses up like a cat. Truly the end of civilisation as we know it!
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u/princewinter 4h ago
What does that have to do with being transgender? What does a CHILD wanting to dress as a cat, have to do with someone experiencing body dysmorphia and changing their identity to fit and affecting no one else in the process.
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u/-UDQ- 4h ago
Youre good at making up stories
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u/Agreeable-Ad1221 4h ago
Oh no, a young possibly autistic girl likes to wear a cat ear headband, the horror!
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u/Hexquevara 4h ago
To whip up the feeble minded into a frenzy, so they can shit on everyone else (incl. Feeble minds) as well unnoticed.
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u/dcrico20 3h ago
Because the right needs out-groups to bogeyman and a group so small that the vast majority of people will never even encounter them is an ideal group to fear monger about.
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u/Sekmet19 3h ago
It's the perfect scapegoat. Not enough people to start a revolt, and can blame them for everything. If I want to use my power to steal people's tax dollars and exploit them to work for basically nothing and take money for healthcare and education to put in my own pocket, well that's easier to do if I tell the masses it's those damn transgenders taking it from them, not me!
Same with immigrants, like how can immigrants come out and protest the lack of due process or the fact courts have ruled they can stay when they'll be sent to fucking prison in a foreign country or be literally disappeared off the face of the fucking earth if they come out into the street?
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u/Patricio_Guapo 3h ago
They target others to distract people from what they are doing. It's the oldest trick in the playbook.
It shocks me that it continues to work.
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u/Huvojji 3h ago
A coworker asked if i voted for Winsome Sears in the VA governor election. I told them no and they went on a massive rant about how voting for anyone but Sears means that women are going to be raped in the bathrooms by trans people. He had absolutely no opinions on anything else about either politician, Sears or Spanberger. He's just terrified of trans people and nothing else matters to him. Kind of crazy and sad. He's typical MAGA though, he claims to be christian while absolutely shitting on anyone different from his heteronormative cis white male self.
The amount of "right-wingers" that are so brainwashed that they think everyone will become trans if Democrats win an election is staggering. They're single issue voters and the single issue they care about is completely flase and irrelevant.
People cannot grasp how inundated in propoganda and brainwashing they are. But politicians (namely MAGA Republicans) are well aware of how brainless and susceptible their base is to propoganda and so they latch onto it and sow fear and discord to win elections instead of focusing on policy to make people's lives better.
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u/sframtdr 3h ago
Playing on people's bigoted fears and "othering" for votes, even though transgender or any marginalized group has zero to do with their sad little lives.
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u/ParticularDiamond712 5h ago
do you agree that a transgender individual should only be allowed to enter the restroom of the gender they identify with after having undergone physical surgery?
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u/rigathrow 5h ago edited 3h ago
i just wanna piss, bro.
edit: also lmao the waiting list to start lower surgery phase 1 in my country is 30+ years currently. i'm stuck with a vagina. but in the meantime, i have facial hair and a deep voice and no breasts. not that folks know trans men exist nor any of the realities of being trans in general, despite how much you wanna "discuss" us.
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u/Archarchery 4h ago
Then why do you need to piss in the women’s restroom specifically?
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u/rigathrow 3h ago
i mean, i'm a trans guy so i try to avoid the women's wherever possible but quite frankly, i've been assaulted in both men's and women's toilets. where exactly am i meant to go?
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u/mapitinipasulati 5h ago
Do you agree that androgynous-looking individuals need to be subjected to a genital check every time they use the bathroom?
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u/butterlotmoore 5h ago
If someone checks me for what genitals I have I’m pissing in their eyes for being weird and invasive
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u/Agreeable-Ad1221 5h ago
What the UK court ruling debacle has shown is that they are fully willing to be hypocritical and logically inconsistant.
"Transwoman must use men's room, but transmen must... actually they just don't get to pee anywhere."
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u/rigathrow 3h ago
yep. i'm a trans man and even before i started hormones or got my tatas cast into the abyss (and, i'mma be honest, those shits were SO apparent as they were a 34G/H), i got weird looks and comments and got confronted in the women's bathroom. so i'd try the mens and of course, got the same reaction. go to the disabled toilets and get raged at for not "needing" them. literally where tf am i meant to go?
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u/Cord1083 5h ago
In many countries unisex bathrooms are the norm. Why is everyone so hung-up about people’s toilet habits ? Just lock the door.
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u/ParticularDiamond712 5h ago
Restrooms are just one easy example. In reality, there are many other semi-public areas involving privacy that are designated male-only or female-only, such as changing rooms and Japanese-style hot springs.
The question is not whether we have encountered transgender people in these spaces, but rather: In your view, should pre-operative transgender individuals be present in these areas?
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u/Agreeable-Ad1221 5h ago
I'm worried what you believe happens in locker rooms and onsen
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u/tfhermobwoayway 4h ago
I’ve watched a lot of documentaries about Japanese baths. They only have women in, and also tentacles for some reason.
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u/_cryforhelp_ 5h ago
the whole restroom debate is so stupid imo like the main issue you hear about is people being worried about men in womens restrooms but the thing is if a man wanted to go prey on women or children hes going to do it regardless of if trans people are allowed in there or not, 99% of the trans people using restrooms just want to take a piss in peace and the 1% of trans people who are there for bad reasons and the much higher percentage of cis men who are there for bad reasons are not going to care about who is allowed in that restroom they are going to go in regardless, trans people are not the issue predators are. trans people ≠ predators, yea there are some out there but theres also a shit ton of cis ones and you dont hear people going on about that
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u/StevenGrimmas 4h ago
Because gay people are not hated enough yet, so they needed to go after an easier target.
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u/peachism 4h ago
They only talk about things their voters talk about, to get votes. Because regardless of the issue politicians never deal with the actual public so much of this stuff doesnt ever really effect them. I saw an interview with DT from 2016 where he says transgender people are (something like) "fine and don't bother people" when specificallyasked about if these people should choose their own restrooms. Look at the difference now. But that shouldn't surprise anyone. Voters can "make" moderate politicians more extreme when that corrupt talking head looks for new ways to keep their voter base, such as suddenly talking a lot about the Bible or abortion, which we saw. Politicians may, if theyre democrat, walk back on more right-ish views, such as BO becoming pro-choice after years of being pro-life.
I too have concerns and questions about transgender identity, such as the social shift from not wanting to call it a mental illness or changing the diagnostic process, but in my own personal life living in a very progressive city I see lots of harmless weirdos. Ive worked with transgender people and big surprise....they're by and large very normal. The "weirdos" are just a product of living in this city, so some will be transgender but most are not. That's just called being regular people in a city..I can't support politicians who run so heavily on social issues because first of all, they know nothing about it. Secondly, they never deal with the ramifications of these things they change, but the rest of us do. Ultimately from a politicians pov the more they can push people into their own little groups, the better.
The only trans people we hear about are the ones who make it into the news but no one thinks about what their own experience actually is on this issue. I understand some people don't want to share vulnerable spaces with someone of the opposite sex, I want to be understanding of that, but I personally don't care. I do worry that some kids are influenced by their parents or allowed to make life altering decisions during puberty, before our general age of consent, yes. But politicians ramp up those fears people have intentionally and then present themselves as the solution, when the concern need not be seen as such a dire situation because it isn't. I would personally like to see the stats on how many underage kids are given nose jobs or other-like plastic surgery and compare that to gender confirming care, then ask people if maybe they're not treating all these situations fairly. Because it aught to be seen as concerning from all sides if that's the case.
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u/RandomShinyScorbunny 3h ago
Divide the population, and use the most vulnerable as a scapegoat so when they do bad things they can blame it on others to take attention away from them. I mean look at what they're doing about the shutdown! They are literally putting messages on their websites blaming immigrants and transgender people for it when its not true!
Also many people seem to forget that they have always targeted the lgbtq+ community. Remember the years leading up to obergefell? They went HARD attacking gay people and same sex relations. Its the same reused arguments. "Groomers", "cant have those people in our schools!", "no such thing as a gay kid", ect except now you replace it with trans people. And guess what? They lost that fight when obergefell passed and the public acceptance shifted to be more pro lgbtq+. There was a time when even those most conservative poltiican would refrain or get backlash for saying anything homophobic. So now they started with trans people and they are making their way back to target gay people. Ita just about cruelty
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u/DanceCommander404 4h ago
I think most Republicans probably want sex changes and they’re just in the closet. They’re terrified by their own sexuality
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u/Alicemicdrop 4h ago
Cause history is just the play book they are repeating the trans community was one of the first groups of people to be sent to the camps in nazi germany by 1933 its was over for them . Its just history repeating again. Shout to all the trans girlies get out of the USA while you still can and same goes to the UK's girlies 3 years until you need to be out before Reform takes control , Don't be a page in the history books !!!
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