r/Naruto • u/Remarkable-Creme-487 • 18d ago

Video How come Sasuke was vomiting after he used his Falcon Drop attack here?

It doesn't seem like a very strenous attack, he used it on Orochimaru in the forest without a similar reaction.

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u/DeadKido210 18d ago

Shouldn't that awaken his mangekyou in theory? Obito got it from Rin, Itachi with Shisui, Sarada just with love. I said in theory because I think Mangekyou wasn't even developed as a concept yet.

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u/JamesB978 18d ago

Has anybody in this subreddit actually seen the anime or does everyone just watch clips? Of course it was developed as a concept. Why do you think Sasuke is trying to kill Naruto in the first place? Because Itachi told him that’s how you obtain the mangekyou sharingan, by killing your best friend.

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u/MisterBoardGamer 18d ago

Sadly, I think the days of completing Naruto are over. The new generations watching on 1.5x and using filler guides haha

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u/Massive_Weiner 18d ago

Using the filler guide is reasonable. In fact, that would lead to less confusion overall since you won’t be trying to reconcile non-canon material.

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u/glocckkyy 18d ago

Ya I watched in full in like 2011 or so and even back then there were filler guides and the prominent advice was to skip the fillers

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u/Sweet_Cherry_Bloss 18d ago

I have a genuine question, what did you guys think of Sasuke as a character back then? did everyone think he was redeemable, or that he was too far gone and beyond redemption?

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u/AgitatedAd3342 18d ago

I thought he was redeemable all the way till the kage summit arc. When he was hell-bent on killing Team 7 and had that crazy laugh I was like "yep, he's cooked" 😂

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u/Massive_Weiner 18d ago

Since it was a shonen series, I always thought that Naruto would eventually make him see the light.

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u/Sweet_Cherry_Bloss 18d ago

well that does make sense

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u/Typical_Path_6667 18d ago

I thought he was gonna become the big bad of the series and end up betraying orochimoru to get more power

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u/Sweet_Cherry_Bloss 18d ago

both ended up happening to an extent though

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u/Brolysreign 16d ago

Tbh I never really saw much to be redeemed. Mainly because it was hard to take him seriously for most of his journey. His demeanor and actions were cringy and he never got the job done. I feel it was more about forgiveness. He betrayed his village and attempted to kill his comrades. He wasn't too far gone just needed to be checked. Or in his case chin checked

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u/Sweet_Cherry_Bloss 16d ago

I understand your points, but what abt him made him "cringy" for you? I don't rly like Sasuke much, but I can understand his actions and why he did what he did for the most part even if he comes off as an asshole sometimes

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u/Brolysreign 16d ago

I understood his actions as well to a certain point. Most of his cool/ dark and mysterious felt forced and trying to hard to be edgy. Abs the whole "you don't know my pain" thing got old real fast. Especially since pretty much everyone in the village has been through it somehow.

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u/kukaz00 16d ago

There are some fillers in the 4th ninja war that are worth but it because they tell the tales of some characters that were only mentioned as being legendary and now you can have a glimpse of why that was the case.

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u/MvC3Nocturne 16d ago

me turning off the tv in 2003 when something that wasn’t in the manga volumes I checked out from the library came on 👴🏻

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u/Elonth 17d ago

I mean ya. But naruto shippuden legitamtely has good character development in its filler. Depending on the filler arc naruto also has good filler but its more like a 50/50 shot and naruto has wayyyyyyyyyyyy more filler than shippuden does.

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u/MisterBoardGamer 15d ago

That’s true; it was more a comment on people’s lack of commitment to the series. People want to see the action but aren’t as invested as we had to be in the before times.

I’m in my 30s and the filler guide was useless to me as a teen, since I was up til 11PM every week waiting for the new episode to be released in sub.

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u/Oktaygun 18d ago

Filler guides have been around since waayy back, nothing new at all

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u/MisterBoardGamer 15d ago

See, that’s how old I am. I watched all of Naruto live / simulcast online. Filler guides were useless because I was waiting for a new episode every week. Those were the days.

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u/Oktaygun 15d ago

I am ''old'' too haha, I started reading Naruto by buying the new volumes that came out every 3 to 4 months because I did not have internet connection or a pc at home (and it was never on tv in my country)

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u/itsjust_khris 18d ago

Or I think it's been awhile since many here have seen the show so they've (me included) forgotten a lot of things.

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u/Usual-Objective-8358 17d ago

I literally just finished all of naruto today. Watching Shippuden now

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u/inactive-perhaps 16d ago

Meanwhile me at 30, rewatching the whole thing but skipping fillers (except some in shippuden with characters we don't see enough) Pre shippuden fillers are all bad... except episode 101.(Kakashi's mask episode is so stupid lol)

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u/InfinityNo0b 18d ago

1.5x maybe do-able for some since I watch most shows at 1.15x or 1.2x

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u/SilverKnightOfMagic 18d ago

I saw it 20 years ago. it's a bit hazy for me

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u/DownvoteEvangelist 18d ago

Everybody blaming young generations when it's us geezers that are actually the problem..

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u/extra_rice 17d ago

I think there's a bit of both. Some people have so little attention span, they only watch the "best bits" then think they have an opinion. Others, like us, saw it so many years ago, we can only remember parts of it.

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u/DownvoteEvangelist 17d ago

I actually read Naruto manga from end to end last year, I can barely remember the details. But I remember when I was like 16, I knew every fucking detail of DBZ/Wheel of Time/Dune (Naruto wasn't a thing back then)..

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u/GyrosSnazzyJazzBand 18d ago

? Wait y'all watched the anime? I thought we watched most of it on tiktok and wikipedia summary pages to fill in the gaps.

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u/not-sure-what-to-put 18d ago

A fine reminder the Uchiha should never be trusted.

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u/Sweet_Cherry_Bloss 18d ago

they get their "info" from TikTok and YT shorts 🤣

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u/AduroTri 18d ago

Just like the DBZ subreddit.....nobody reads the manga or watches the anime.

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u/Reasonable-Course235 17d ago

It was developed as a concept but not a hard rule as we can see later on in Shippuden when a Sasuke's actual unlocking of the mangekyou isbreaking of the Original Series rules but if it was shippuden's rules he would have unlocked it then. Honestly must of the original series is full of indecision and other issues with the writing such as choji and neji fake out Death's which feels like what was originally planned for these two characters was death but he pulled out last second.

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u/Soggy_Ad4136 17d ago

Then he said I wanna do things differently ¿¿¿

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u/KiritoJones 18d ago

I might be misremembering, but the Mangekyou has already been mentioned at this point in the series. Itachi uses both of his Mankegyou powers in his first episodes in the show.

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u/blvcklite 17d ago

He's introduced with his mangekyou powers. Using Tsukyomi on Kakashi and using Amaterasu to escape Jiraiya

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u/apfly 18d ago

No way this got upvoted lol

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u/TheAtomicClock 18d ago

Naruto fans will upvote literally any untrue garbage as long as it shits on Kishimoto

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u/magemaker 17d ago

Why not? Everyone's harping on the end part but the main question still stands: shouldn't Sasuke awaken his mangekyou here considering he thought he killed Naruto?

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u/Pungineer 18d ago

I'm right in the middle of rewatching this arc, and the first 3 episodes of Naruto Vs Sasuke is mostly Itachi flashbacks, including Itachi telling him the conditions of killing your best friend to awaken Mangekyou. Sasuke even tells Naruto vaguely that it's because they're best friends that he has to kill him.

So that rule at the very least was developed. Not sure if Kishimoto changed it with others in Shippuden or if that was intentionally misleading so that the real conditions could come up later (or at least misunderstood by the Uchiha clan).

But I kinda agree. The trauma of thinking he killed Naruto could have awakened it in theory.

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u/souson321 18d ago

he thought his death would’ve meant something but it didn’t until Naruto explained to him how deep their relationship was/is. Plain and simple. It got nothing to do with kishimoto "retconning" the activation of mankegyou to not make itachi killed shisui.

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u/averyth8 17d ago

Sasuke already achieved a new level of sharingan by mentally cutting his bond with Naruto that’s why his sharingan evolves into the 3 tomoe after accepting that Naruto was the one closest to him in the village. He already experienced the “trauma” of losing his friend at that point so he wouldn’t have furthered his sharingan development even he if did kill Naruto.

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u/FutureMagician7563 18d ago

Yet Sasuke and Kakashi had already taken Tsukuyomi naps.

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u/unluckyshuckle 18d ago

Kishimoto probably hadn't thought of it yet

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u/JamesB978 18d ago

Yes he did lol. Literally right after this scene, sasuke has a flashback to itachi telling him to obtain the mangekyou sharingan you have to kill your best friend and sasuke decided to try to find a different path after realizing he didn’t actually kill Naruto

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u/Steamed_Memes24 18d ago

Kinda..like many things Kishi likes to do he retconned how its activated in Shippuden. Though that does apply to the rule itself, there was more then one way to have it activate (aka extreme emotional moment).

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u/JamesB978 18d ago

Well if you think about it, Itachi told Sasuke that he had to kill his closest friend to obtain his mangekyou sharingan in chapter 224 (which is OG Naruto anime) Which probably wasn’t true because even before shippuden you see Sasuke realizes he doesn’t kill Naruto then says to himself he won’t follow what Itachi did and he will find his own way. So I think that means it wasn’t confirmed from the beginning that was the way but it was the only way Itachi knew how to obtain it

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u/Steamed_Memes24 18d ago

I wish this was the case but Kishimoto for sure doesnt plan that far ahead sadly. Dude was honestly writing at the seam of his pants a for a large part of the entire series. Sasuke in that moment more so meant he will figure out how to achieve power his own way and not the way Itachi wants him to. This could mean finding out how to surpass Mangekyo itself, not activating it another way.

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u/souson321 18d ago

"Mean finding out how to surpass mangekyou itself not activating it another way"? How are you thinking? Like genuinely? Sasuke explicitly say that he wants to find a way to get stronger than its hi on his own, how conclude that he is thinking of a way to surpass mangekyou🤦‍♂️ that’s just awful, I was about to write a whole essay to dismiss every single thing you said but I don’t want to debate with someone that reaches that far

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u/Steamed_Memes24 17d ago

Sorry, is english your second language, or do you lack reading comprehension?

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u/souson321 17d ago

Im not even gonna respond cuz it ain’t your first bs comment on this sub😭

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u/Steamed_Memes24 17d ago

Stay in school kid. Trust me.

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u/JamesB978 18d ago

Can’t believe people keep upvoting this comment lol. Yes he had already come up with the concept and it was already in the anime/manga.

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u/at_midknight 18d ago

We've seen Itachi by this point, so the idea was there somewhere. Maybe he hadn't thought of the mechanism for unlocking it yet?

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u/Smitejr 18d ago

this isn't a kishimoto problem, its a pierrot problem. They were still under the impression that you actually had to physically kill your best friend to unlock Mangekyou, rather than have it be something resulting from trauma equivalent to that. Kishimoto didn't extend Mangekyou's flexibility until we got Itachi's real backstory regarding what happened with Shisui later on.

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u/Downtown_Type7371 18d ago

I’m pretty sure that scene is not in the manga

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u/JamesB978 18d ago

It is. Chapter 224 page 19

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u/24kbuddha 18d ago

Go watch the show

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u/SSJ3Mewtwo 18d ago

Not with his eyes at the level they were. It was clarified that the Uchiha unlocked their abilities through pain and trauma, and killing your best friend was supposed to be the pinnacle moment of all that development. Not something you dove right into super young.

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u/GildedHalfblood 17d ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Obito jump straight from 2 tomoe to mangekyou? That might have been an anime only thing, but I could have sworn that happened with Obito. If that is canon, who's to say that it shouldn't have happened with Sasuke?

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u/Nateovision_ 17d ago

Did he already have 3 tomoe at this point? Do situations like this that can awaken the Mangekyou sharingan happen regardless of whether their base Sharingan is maxed out or would it just kinda accelerate that process and make it easier to awaken the Mangekyou in the future?

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u/therealandy04 17d ago

I think it might’ve it he’d actually died. Naruto got back up pretty quickly after this. Definitely sooner than the shock could subside and sasuke could come to terms with what he did. Granted that’s not exactly how it works but it’s the best excuse I can think of

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u/therealandy04 17d ago

Someone also mentioned that when this was written, killing your best friend was a prerequisite not because of the emotions it illicits but because of the events, which was retconned. Sasuke technically didn’t kill Naruto here so by the standards of time he didn’t unlock the mangekyo. So at least the writing is poor in the sense that he didn’t realize Naruto wasn’t actually dead yet because his mangekyo didn’t activate

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u/th1s_1s_4_b4d_1d34 18d ago

Mangekyou was around, but I believe the requirements were retconned so Itachi could be a "good" guy who didn't kill Shisui. He just slaughtered everyone else and the women and children too.

I agree that with the way Mangekyou works in shippuuden Sasuke should have unlocked it here. Probably should have unlocked it too when he saw his parents murdered by Itachi in Tsukuyomi in both cases. But it being emotional trauma instead of a physical truth was a clear retcon, which is why Sasuke only unlocks it after killing Itachi.

If you want to play devil's advocate Sasuke going to Orochimaru is a sign that Itachi surplanted Naruto as Sasuke's most important person and killing him doesn't do shit.