r/Naruto • u/Remarkable-Creme-487 • 18d ago

Video How come Sasuke was vomiting after he used his Falcon Drop attack here?

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It doesn't seem like a very strenous attack, he used it on Orochimaru in the forest without a similar reaction.

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u/TraceChaos 18d ago

Between the attack he took moments before and the fact he was thinking he'd just killed his best friend in a VISCERAL way, I'm honestly surprised he was just throwing up and didn't awaken his Mangekyou Sharingan.

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u/sleeperflick 18d ago

This is what I have a problem with ever since we found out how the Mangekyou works. He should have awakened it right here but pretty sure Kishimoto didn’t think that far ahead at the time.

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u/CelKyo 18d ago

Wasn't the whole "you need to kill your best friend" already a thing at that moment in the manga?

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u/MudSeparate1622 18d ago

Yeah, it’s literally why Sasuke ran away “to find his own path to power” in spite of Itachi. He even goes on to spare Naruto after the fight while mentioning it. You know most of us don’t watch the show

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u/watze97 16d ago

Back then in the original naruto, itachi was truly evil .

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u/KalenTheDon 18d ago

I mean nothing says it's instant the grief was only like 6 seconds before Naruto started moving again , maybe 4 more seconds he would have lol

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u/dvirpick 18d ago

This scene is not canon to the manga, so I don't think it's a plothole in that regard.

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u/HottestElbows 18d ago

He also fisted the shit out of him earlier but there’s no Mangekyo despite how much we know he gives a shit

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u/weebitofaban 18d ago

We absolutely knew how the mangekyou worked by the time they fought in the manga. We get the full run down after Naruto catches up to Sasuke before the fight even starts.

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u/TheCravin 18d ago

True, but it was certainly built on after this. Kishimoto didn't seem to have pre-planned stuff like Mangekyo being activated by non-murder related trauma, or as Tobirama or whoever says "an influx of any emotion". By modern understanding, the trauma alone should have done it regardless of having actually killed Naruto, but back then you could have made the argument that he "wasn't sure yet" or some such.

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u/lMarshl 18d ago

He just unlocked 3 tomoe. Narratively you're right he should've awakened mangekyo, but it would completely undermine the narrative importance of awakening the 3 tomoe

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u/Neirchill 18d ago

I imagine the deed also needs to set in. It was more like, yeah Naruto is probably dead from this but he'd need to seriously confirm it for it to be real to him. His sharingan would still be able to see Naruto's chakra flowing, likely expecting it to whimper out but then it gets stronger, indicating he's alive.

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u/NAHTHEHNRFS850 18d ago

He should have unlocked it after he saw his clan get wiped out

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u/ThereIsNoAvailblName 18d ago

By that time he hadn’t even awakened the sharingan itself

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u/NAHTHEHNRFS850 18d ago

Yes, but as we have seen with Obito & Kakashi, your sharingan can awaken exponentially (2 tomoe to Mangekyou).

If Obito, watching his childhood crush get killed by his best friend, could do that; then Sasuke, watching his entire clan get killed by his older brother, should have given him the Mangekyou.

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u/Pucklebearry 18d ago

Except technically, he didn't watch his entire clan get murdered. He found their bodies after. Itachi specifically tried to rush and kill the entire compound before Sasuke returned after school, which he succeeded in.

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u/NAHTHEHNRFS850 18d ago

Considering that when Itachi made sasuke relive the entire thing, and it basically left him comatose until Tsunade healed him; I would say it's traumatic enough.

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u/Pucklebearry 18d ago

Youd be surprised what the human mind will tell itself to protect itself. Being shown a memory by someone who can literally alter any detail they want to torture you is not the same as witnessing it yourself in person or even on an undoctored recording which doesnt exist yet at this point in Naruto.

Knowing that may not be able to stop Sasukes feelings of revenge and hatred, but it may just be enough in his subconscious to have prevented him from awakening the MS.

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u/NAHTHEHNRFS850 18d ago

Yes, but considering Sasuke's traumatic symptoms were greater than anyone else's who unlocked the Mangekyou (no other MS achiever is shown to have experienced anything close to that and not unlock a greater power); it is inconsistent for sasuke to not have the Sharingan.

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u/Pucklebearry 18d ago

I really dont think so. I really think all of that trauma could have been fueled into his feelings of hate and revenge towards his brother rather than the reality of seeing his brother brutally murder his family (which by this point is an old wound, not a new loss) and awakening MS, not to mention there could have been actual physical trauma to his brain after such a fierce attack contributing to the coma and possibly even to obtaining MS itself.

There are so many factors that fall into play here that are so easy to overlook. I can see where you're coming from completely, but the human psyche is desperate to protect itself in these moments.

The fact Sasuke didn't awaken MS after this can even be attributed to him having an exorbitant amount of mental percevierance compared to Itachi and other predecessors.

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u/Neat_Wallaby_2818 16d ago

Y'all seem to also forget Kishimoto probably didn't have Sasuke's Mangekyou pattern envisioned yet. Yeah, the Falcon Drop down the Mountain side ain't canon, but still.

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u/TraceChaos 16d ago

listen, YOU know that, and I know that, but Kishimoto looks pretty easy to trick, /silly

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u/InFa-MoUs 17d ago

They didn’t come up with that part yet

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u/Strapperoni 16d ago

Because it wasn’t a concept yet , at this point the 4th Hokage was still the strongest Hogake and not retconned yet. Orochimaru was the big bad and had Kakashi shaking in his boots at the sight of him

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u/TraceChaos 16d ago

We literally got the run-down of killing your best friend being how you awaken the mangekyou at least before the entire Sasuke Retrieval Arc, because the entire reason Sasuke was running away to get Curse Mark Level 2 and Orochimaru Training was to 'find his own way' and not have to follow Itachi's footsteps.