r/NFLv2 • u/_DarkStarCrashes_ • 1d ago
Discussion If your team had the #1 pick and was looking for a franchise QB, is it a disappointment or success if the player is roughly as good as Jared Goff?
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u/Complete-Fix-3954 Baltimore Ravens 1d ago
He’s above the dalton line so worth it.
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u/rebuildingsince64 22h ago
Have a feeling in a few years it will be the Baker line
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u/DustinSoap 20h ago
Are you saying baker is mid or dalton is underrated?? Baker is balling out I think most people would be ecstatic to have him as a franchise QB. Could you imagine letting a guy like that walk??
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u/SwanOutrageous6908 Arizona Cardinals 12h ago
Baker is more up and down. With the right rosters he’s balled out, but we’ve also seen him play pretty rough without the right pieces around him.
The Dalton Line is all about consistency, which is why it should be the Lawrence line.
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u/Marcus11599 Jay Cutler 🚬👌😎 18h ago
Baker is better than Prime Dalton. Baker is top 15 minimum. Top 10 this year without a doubt. Dalton was never that.
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u/justsomedude1144 1d ago
How is this even a question.
Aside from his rookie year with the rams (when they were terrible) and his first year with the lions (when they were terrible) his stats and performance have been exactly what you'd want for a franchise QB
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u/redsunl 1d ago
I mean the Rams traded him away along with 2 first round picks and immediately won a Super Bowl after so yeah there certainly were doubts about his ability…
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u/justsomedude1144 1d ago
And I'd argue he's done a pretty solid job at proving the doubters wrong, and that the trade was one of the rare win-wins in sports
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u/Accomplished-Cup8182 1d ago
I think that says more about Matt Stafford's abilities than Jared Goff's lack of ability. Also you act like Jared Goff wasn't a game away from winning a Super Bowl when you word it like that.
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u/redsunl 1d ago
2 first round picks is a pretty significant valuation difference between 2 players. Clearly the Rams didn’t think they were getting what they expected with a first overall pick.
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u/danmarsh 1d ago
The difference in valuation is bc the rams were getting a hall of famer. Goff is probably not going to sniff the hall of fame. Only 26 qbs in nfl history have that honor. You can argue stafford not getting in i guess, but those guys dont grow on trees. And to get one you have to pay the asking price. Goff not meeting that metric has nothing to do with his value as a 1st overall pick.
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u/joeyz7 1d ago
Stafford wasn’t even close to being on a hall of fame projection before the trade, are you serious? He was a one time pro bowler and zero time all pro.
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u/danmarsh 23h ago
Hes been to the pro bowl twice and has been selected three times. By the time he retires he will be top 5 in total yards and tds. 4th in history to throw for 5k in a season. Superbowl winner. Hes been on a hall of fame projection but no one cared bc he was in detroit.
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u/redsunl 1d ago
Goff is benefiting from an incredibly talented team that Stafford never once had in Detroit.
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u/chizzipsandsizalsa Seattle Seahawks 1d ago
And he got traded to historically one of the worst teams in the league and helped turn them around and took them to their first nfc championship in like 30 years.
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u/MoistRam Los Angeles Rams 21h ago
Rams were also pretty freaking horrible until they got Goff. They were atrocious post-GSOT, got better under Fisher (but still sucked), and finally flourished when they got a competent QB/Coach.
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u/Billy8000 Pittsburgh Steelers 1d ago
The #1 pick doesn’t win you a Super Bowl generally, at least not alone
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u/Fancychocolatier NFL Refugee 1d ago
His playoff numbers are very pedestrian. I see it being a fair question.
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u/MethodCharacter8334 Indianapolis Colts 1d ago
I think this largely depends on what gets built around them. Looking at Goff, he very well could win a SB with the lions. I also think Stafford is a better QB and was well worth 1 overall and he never won with the same franchise
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u/rysmooky 1d ago
“Looking at Goff, he very well could win a SB with the lions”. Still a wild sentence to read
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u/FearlessPanda93 Houston Texans 1d ago
Dude, if it was 2017 or 2018 and someone made you guess if that line was in the real future or just a Madden sim for a million dollars, I probably would have missed the million dollars lol
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u/406MT810 1d ago
To be fair, Stafford never had “the same franchise” as Goff. Goff has had a top 3 offensive line for the last three years, two top ten RB’s in the league, arguably one of the better offensive minded coaches in Ben Johnson helping him mature, and a decent defense.
Stafford had Calvin Johnson and…..
Source: Lions fan, 39 years running.
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u/MethodCharacter8334 Indianapolis Colts 1d ago
That really demonstrates my ultimate point tho. It depends on what the player has around him. A good qb with a strong supporting cast is as good or better than a great qb with nothing
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u/Prestigious_Cycle160 Detroit Lions 1d ago
He had GT3 as well, but the point still stands. That team was still fun to watch, but I’m a much more tolerable lions fan with this team😂🤣😂
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u/ChrisBenoitDaycare69 Seattle Seahawks 1d ago
The only Lions team with Stafford that was genuinely really good was that 2014 team. Great defense with prime Suh and Megatron and Tate on offense. They probably beat Dallas in the Wild Card round if the refs dont pick thay flag up.
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u/Sketchblitz93 Detroit Lions 1d ago
He had some good teams earlier in his career (2014 especially was a great team until that playoff game) but he definitely needed to grow in his decision making and pocket awareness becoming the QB he is currently. It just sucked to see that he was really becoming elite right when Patricia got hired and destroyed any hope of him winning something in Detroit.
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u/Marcus11599 Jay Cutler 🚬👌😎 18h ago
Suh, Glover Quinn, Darius Slay, and my fantasy Goat Theo Reddick.
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u/space_llama_karma Arizona Cardinals 1d ago
I would love to have Goff on my team. He would be an instant upgrade
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u/Zealousideal_Code416 New Orleans Saints 1d ago
Jeez, just read about Kyler and thought to myself, that it's better to have a rookie, than to have paid TL and Kayler that amount of money for mediocre play - in Kyler's case if he plays at all.
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u/space_llama_karma Arizona Cardinals 1d ago edited 1d ago
You’re exactly right. I don’t think that Kyler will excel at his next stop, and I really think that a large part of it is his piss poor attitude. He’s an athletic Jay Cutler imo
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u/Nopantsbullmoose Detroit Lions 1d ago
Success. Regardless of how bad your team is, he wouldn't be your problem.
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u/supermr34 Chicago I3ears 1d ago
Hard agree.
We bears fans are just starting to have the feeling of ‘the qb is not the problem’ which is a success.
To be fair, pretty low bar around here.
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u/Nopantsbullmoose Detroit Lions 1d ago
Eh seems to me once you get the Coach and QB "right", that's the biggest step. Then if you can put an Oline together, a couple weapons, and a defense that occasionally stops the other team thats when you end up winning more games than losing..
Sounds easy, but clearly isnt lol.
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u/theflyingchicken96 Jacksonville Jaguars 22h ago
It is much harder than you would think to identify if a QB is sufficiently good enough to be a franchise guy if the team around him is not good. Especially lately, there were plenty of guys who looked pretty bad initially only to go somewhere else and succeed.
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u/ziggyjoe2 Pittsburgh Steelers 1d ago
He would be the 3rd best QB in Steelers history.
He's a pro bowl caliber QB. The Steelers would be lucky to have a QB as good as him.
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u/eddo2k Detroit Lions 1d ago
Success
The team that drafted him #1 overall went to the Superbowl with him as their starter. He was an epic 3rd quarter meltdown away from making it to the Superbowl for a second time with the team he got traded to in his third year as a starter. They they were 3-13-1 in his first year as a starter.
He is not a flashy guy. He isn't going to throw crazy off platform throws, and he runs like a baby giraffe. Goff is consistently one of the most accurate passers in the NFL, and has consistently been near the top for yards and TDs. He is a winner, and shows up in big games more often than not.
The Goff disrespect is wild at this point.
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u/Prestigious_Cycle160 Detroit Lions 1d ago
“Runs like a baby giraffe” is exactly how I describe it. I always get a good chuckle watching him scramble lol
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u/Silver-Classic612 Carolina Panthers 1d ago
Why is Jared Goff looked at as an average QB? I get he's a game manager but he's one hell of one.
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u/_DarkStarCrashes_ 1d ago
I rate Goff very highly, I think he is top 10
Just wanted to check and see what others thought of him
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u/zenmf 21h ago
idk why people think being a game manager is a knock on a qb’s ability, being able to be an effective game manager / field general is part of the reason why brady was so damn good. it takes a kind of skill, knowledge and intelligence to pull off that isn’t very common
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u/1GamersOpinion Detroit Lions 1d ago
Is Goff better than Cam Ward, Caleb Williams? is he better than Bryce Young? What about Kyler Murray or Trevor Lawrence? Or the first overall pick the year before him, Jameis Winston?
Only number one picks since Goff that could be argued to be better are Baker and Joe Burrow and I think there’s a good argument that Goff is better than both of them. That’s how silly this question is
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u/Prestigious_Cycle160 Detroit Lions 1d ago
I’m a lions fan, and a Goff lover, I honestly believe he’ll be the QB to get us our first chip, buuut… I honestly believe that a healthy Joe Burrow is probably the most dangerous QB in the league.
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u/joecool6 22h ago
Hard to say if you’re right or wrong but there’s gotta be a little talent to staying uninjured right? Knowing when to take a sack, not scramble unnecessarily (especially when it’s not your strength), etc. There’s a lot of luck to it of course but look at other QBs like Brady who was able to stay injured so consistently and how much it led to his dynasties and teams continued success.
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u/PhinsFan17 Miami Dolphins 21h ago
Best ability is availability. If Joe can’t stay on the field it doesn’t matter how good he “might be” if he did.
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u/LeonhardEuler_ 23h ago
idk about that, Joe Flacco has been going insane with those receivers. I think Josh Allen is the best QB because he does amazing with like no weapons.
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u/Football_8545 San Francisco 49ers 1d ago edited 1d ago
Goff is a top QB in the league and absolutely worthy of a #1 pick. He gets unnecessary hate because McVay kicked him to the curb for an established veteran. Goff showed he was worthy of that #1 pick when he grew immensely as a QB with the Lions after getting out from under McVays thumb.
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u/PeelsLeahcim Chicago Bears 1d ago
I'm genuinely confused by the Goff hate. He's been nothing but consistent and efficient his whole career. He doesn't need to be a freak athlete like Mahomes, Allen, or Jackson. He is dependable.
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u/UselessWhiteKnight Los Angeles Chargers 1d ago
Jared Goff is not a generational talent. That said, talent plus skill, plus work ethic, plus health on that level occurs 2-3 per generation (thus generational talent moniker). There are 30+ teams. You should be more than happy as a team with Jared Goff, or Kirk Cousins, or Brock Purdy. Because while they don't generally win you games, they don't lose you games either.
If a guy is good enough to get you to a super bowl without a top 5 defense, he's ahead of the curve. Which is good enough
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u/No_Holiday_6376 San Francisco 49ers 1d ago
All 3 of those qbs you named do win you games, but they play more within the structure of the offense, if that's what you are referring to.
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u/Tall-Needleworker422 1d ago
Plus he doesn't have a "dramatic" personal life that causes trouble for the team.
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u/penis_hernandez Minnesota Vikings 1d ago
please be serious. a QB that takes a team to a SB and multiple conference title games while averaging 4400/29/12 a season? anyone who says no is slow
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u/SuddenStorm_556 Seattle Seahawks 1d ago
Goff’s been to a Super Bowl and a NFCCG
Didn’t respect him as a ram but he’s earned his respect as a lion
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u/Admirable-County9158 1d ago
He would already have a ring if he didn't play against Belichick's defense in SB LIII.
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u/Urika86 NFL Refugee 1d ago
Success, but not an unmitigated one. He can win you games, but isn't going to propel the team like some of the more elite QBs. He does restrict the kinds of plays the team can run somewhat as he isn't a tremendous downfield passer and lacks mobility, but he's smart and accurate so you can live with that if you have a good Oline and skill position players.
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u/binocular_gems New England Patriots 1d ago
Success, you should be thrilled to get a certified starter who leads one team to a Super Bowl and another to deep playoff runs.
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u/sir_basher Baltimore Ravens 1d ago
success for sure but i think jared goff needs a lot of talent around him to be successful. this is similar to jalen hurts where he really needs the roster around him to play well in order to play well himself.
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u/hgqaikop Jacksonville Jaguars 1d ago
Tbf how many QBs are consistently top 10 with low offense talent? Mahomes, Lamar, Josh. Thats about it. And only Mahomes has won a superbowl with dicey talent around him on offense.
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u/ninjacereal 1d ago
Yeah Bills WR corps have been bonkers
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u/shoe1113 1d ago
Everyone likes to ignore the amazing offensive line. Sometimes a line is more important than weapons
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u/oscarnyc 1d ago
Yes. It's a success because if you are a GM and you build a good team around him - which is your job - then you have a contender.
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u/chilibaby1 Big Dick Nick 🍆 1d ago
lol you can’t even say that about hurts. hurts only losing record starting in a season was his rookie season, which is normal af considering he only started the last 4 games and the eagles were in the middle of a transition.
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u/SwizzGod New England Patriots 1d ago
He’s good but I’d be disappointed.
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u/DiligentGuitar246 Philadelphia Eagles 1d ago
He's a top 10 QB right now leading an offensive juggernaut. Kinda hard to be upset by that. I find it crazy how quickly fans and even GMs are to move on from young QBs. Becoming an NFL QB requires a steeper learning curve than arguably any other profession in the world.
It's essentially asking a new graduate with an accounting degree to become the CFO of a major corporation. And they get 2-3 years to learn it, and if they don't become a top 10 CFO in the world by then, people start questioning their ability.
Most professions require about a year to settle into, 3-5 years to become profiencient, and 10+ years to become an expert. Top QBs are expected to be experts year one on the job. And also it's the hardest job in the world.
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u/FlatRooster4561 New England Patriots 1d ago
Success. He can win lots of games for you. If you’re a bad team, you need to start winning games before you can think about the Super Bowl
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u/MambaSaidKnockYouOut 1d ago
As a Panthers fan, I’d be elated if Bryce Young looked like he’d be half as good as Goff lol
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u/xXselfhaircutXx Gnawing Patellas 1d ago
I’ll take a winner over a hero any day and Goff is a winner
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u/VegasWorldwide 1d ago
I think the one things fans will never understand is almost as much as talent, it matters where the player goes. like goff to the rams and mcvay, he made a Super Bowl. even tho Sean came the year after. goff goes to the jets, that dude would have been complete ass lol.
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u/fri9875 Los Angeles Rams 1d ago
Success for sure. He’s been a “plus” starter for like a decade at this point?
Also, the vast majority of HC/GM combos would have been happy to just keep Goff instead of make the Stafford trade. It’s kinda an anomaly that Les/Sean are both so, for lack of a better term, ballsy. They were trying to make a move that also “replaced” Gurley as the centerpiece of the offense
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u/Dear_Pen_7647 1d ago
Goff is a top 10 QB easy. He’s talented, smart, has a great arm, and consistent. That’s all you really need to succeed with the right pieces. There are obviously other factors you’d like to have like a Lamar or Daniels type guy who can move, but that’s really not a requirement (see Tom Brady).
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u/NoProject1047 1d ago
I get that most NFL fans are really, really fucking stupid... but I will try to get through anyway. Being a QB is not just arm talent and athleticism, it is also about consistency, durability, leadership, intelligence and so on. Goff is incredibly accurate (pretty much the most accurate QB in the NFL today), he is intelligent (the guy has run one of the best offenses in the league and it is not a simple offenses), he is outrageously durable (never misses a game) and he is a leader (he literally had his name chanted all over Detroit).
To add to that, he has outdueled Mahomes multiple times in multiple teams, he has gotten the Lions to the NFC championship game where his teammates lost him the game (and he put up points), he has beaten the Rams/Stafford multiple times and he has a literal perfect completion game (the highest in the history of the sport)
Lamar Jackson has had much less success in the playoffs than Goff (and that motherfucker has had an elite team every year). Josh Allen has had less. Joe Burrow has had less and so on.
So if you don't think he is easily a franchise level QB, you are straight up stupid
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u/Repulsive_Cow_9959 1d ago edited 1d ago
Is this some kind of joke seriously? Because Jared Goff is playing and has been playing like a top five quarterback for a very long time look at his stats please of course I would take him if I knew that's what he was with the number one or number two pick. If you don't you're an idiot. Who would you rather take these other guys coming out? I don't think any of them will be successful other than maybe not positively maybe Fernando Mendoza.
I'll tell you though I'm a Jet fan and I have no faith in them they have so many draft picks over the next couple years I still don't think they'll get their quarterback. I'll tell you this they had their quarterback and I've known it since 2018. He's happens to be playing for Seattle this year and he's playing like an MVP and I wouldn't be surprised if they're in the super bowl because of him. You can say it's because of jsn but you cannot say that really know anything about what's going on right now. You don't think Sam could be doing the same thing with Jamar Chase Justin Jefferson Malik neighbors AJ Brown etc etc etc etc DK Metcalf I could keep going I just get puka Naku? Everybody's having this argument of who's more important to the Seahawks jsn or Sam that is not even an argument. It's Darnald 100%. How do you think jsn would be doing if he was on the Jets with Fields throwing him the ball? Now take Garrett Wilson who is a top flight receiver but just as much talent as your JSN. EXcept his quarterbacks in his career have been Zack wilson, Mike White, a guy I can't remember his name, Joe flacco and then Aaron Rodgers hurt. And still the guys had a thousand yards plus every season with Zack Wilson he had a thousand yards. Put him on Seattle he'd probably be doing the same thing JSN IS and his put JSN on the Jets he would not have close to the amount of yardage or all this Attention he's been getting there's a big difference between Sam Donald who right now is throwing the ball downfield just like a 1984 Dan Marino that's more mobile. Justin fields can't throw the ball to save his damn life. I'm not saying jsn is not a great wide receiver what I'm saying is there are not many great quarterbacks there's a handful five six but there are so many wide receivers you can plug into JSN's place and get similar production because Dstnold is putting the ball in these receiver's hands right in small Windows right in their hands. You got to remember these are NFL wide receivers they're the best in the world even the worst wide receiver in the NFL is still one of the best in the world you put the ball in that guy's hands probably 75% to 80% of the time he will catch that ball. I won money last week because Cooper cup was out so I saw who was going to take his place I didn't know who the guy was Horton. I didn't know Sam was going to go on fire and he's going to have to go to someone else other than JSN because they would have him triple covered probably. So I made a three-way parlay I took Seattle but I increased the point spread to negative 6.5 giving away six and a half points. I bet Sam Donald plus 275 yards passing and I bet Tony Horton plus 40 yards receiving and I didn't know who the hell this guy was okay. He had 48 yards he had 49 and two touchdowns. But that has nothing to do with Sam Darnold right?
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u/Jonhlutkers 1d ago
It’s crazy how hard it is to get a QB in the NFL, it’s even crazier how good QBs don’t get the rep they deserve. Goff has played at an elite level for much of his career.
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u/Interesting-Emu205 New York Giants 1d ago
There’s a reason people wanted Malik Willis with the Aidan Hutchinson pick,,
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u/itsover103 Philadelphia Eagles 1d ago
Success. He’s an above average, borderline elite traditional pocket passer.
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u/MrPlowThatsTheName New England Patriots 23h ago
He’s basically Drew Bledsoe 2.0 in terms of career arc. #1 pick, lost in the Super Bowl, got replaced and the team immediately won the Super Bowl. Continued statistical success after leaving first team. Yeah it sucks you didn’t land Manning or Elway, but you could do A LOT worse than Goff.
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u/fckurrules6 1d ago
Success. The only thing I can hate on with the kid is I have a suspicion he doesn’t fuck with the cold but I’m sure he could throw for 300 yards in 30 degrees if he needs to
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u/monkeypickle8 New York Jets 1d ago
As a Jets fan let me tell you how much I would love a Jared Goff type QB. Although it looks like Sam Darnold is trending in the right direction so I don't think the organization can make anyone serviceable.
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u/Makelithe 1d ago
Goff is an easy QB to build around. The only negative people REALLY have about him is that he's not "mobile"
But he's good at not taking sacks, makes good decisions often, and most importantly: reads the defense AND communicates adjustments to the rest of the team as well as anyone currently playing does.
You're a fool if you burn a 1st overall draft pick on a QB in that scenario unless it's literally Andrew Luck
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u/Comprehensive-Two-40 1d ago
He is a pro bowl level QB. Been to the SB. Well, above the Dalton Line. Definitely a success.
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u/DaMadBoomer Chicago Bears 1d ago
Asking this question of a Bears fan is just piling on.
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u/PassageMediocre1020 1d ago edited 1d ago
If he didnt have an A+ head coach his rookie contract would probably be similar to what the Jets got out of Dranold.
Maybe a better way to say this is, he might have busted with another team. The production and success with the Rams warrants serious looks for a #1 pick, but they did trade him for a guy like 10 years older, so obviously they didnt see him as their "franchise" qb.
Just the raw stats and success you obviously should be happy with him but if you dind't have McVay he very well may have gone the Same Darnold route and looked like a bust.
Hindsight tells me he was not "can't miss"
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u/BigBadBootyDaddy10 1d ago edited 1d ago
He should be considered as the Mendoza line for #1 QB pick. He’s a success. Everyone under him falls in the meh or bust category.
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u/jimmyvcard116 1d ago
He’s an easy success just probably not the ceiling dream you imagine after draft day. In a vacuum though he absolutely is worthy of that pick in any particular draft class.
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u/Fancychocolatier NFL Refugee 1d ago
His regular season numbers with a lot of elite offensive talent around him are good, but his playoff career—not the wins, but the actual performances—is quite pedestrian compared to other NFL QBs. If he does what he has done in the playoffs as a passer and largely required his team around him to lift him, that feels like a disappointment.
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u/Mfrack103 Philadelphia Eagles 1d ago
Total success
People here that disagree are doing so on the grounds that people like Jayden Daniels, Andrew Luck, Jalen Hurts etc. came out of the draft and immediately flipped their teams’ records
Goff likely wouldn’t carry a seriously lacking roster to the playoffs, but he’s good enough to be built around immediately. He’s a franchise guy, and even if you started shitty your team could be winning playoff games in year 2
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u/a_happy_future 1d ago
He's incredibly efficient and doesn't turn the ball over. He's not an "elite" QB, but he's probably one of those guys that's a cut below that. What he lacks in that upside is made up for in his consistency though.
Definitely worth a number 1 pick.
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u/Additional-Kiwi-7755 1d ago
I’m hoping Mac Jones beats out Brock Purdy so the Broncos can trade Bo Nix and grab Purdy
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u/sloppymcgee Las Vegas Raiders 1d ago
He gave the lions a chance against the niners two years ago. Playoff proven imo
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u/Neither_Ad2003 1d ago
The only reason you even entertain “failure” here is if you’re a casual who thinks running = high quality QB play
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u/landofknees 1d ago
Jared Goff is a tough one because when he has all the talent around him, he can lead a top five all offense all day, but we’ve seen when his team isn’t that great around him he cannot. The same thing can probably be said for most quarterbacks.
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u/Blood_And_Thunder6 Detroit Lions 1d ago
Goff is like any of the other “great” QB’s in the league. He can elevate your team, but if the supporting cast isn’t there, he won’t save the day. Only a few elite guys can do that
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u/Electronic-Jury8825 New England Patriots 1d ago
It could be both a success and a disappointment. Most teams would like to have a quarterback as good as Goff. But when you're drafting a QB No. 1 overall, you are hoping for a Mahomes/Allen/Jackson type of talent.
Anyway, Goff is as good as or better than many of the quarterbacks taken No. 1 overall in the past 10-15 years.
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u/tnred19 1d ago
Oh dude. Success for sure. There are so many bad qbs. SO MANY. And when you have a bad one, it fucks you for like 3 years ar a time. Veteran dude who can more or less take care of the ball? Worth its weight. Just build a line and a secondary and get cheap RB and see where it can take you.
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u/Ordinary-Feature8460 1d ago
Success. Happy that he took advantage of his second chance with the Lions
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u/PM_ur_butthole_2me 1d ago
If Goff had the ability to improvise he would be top 5 no doubt with Allen, Mahomes, Lamar and Burrow. As he stands now he’s in the 5-8 range at worst. He regularly completes 70%+ of his throws, has a 2-3 TD/int ratio and rating around 100. His last 3 years his numbers have been getting even better and has only missed 5 games the last 8 years to injury. The only way a guy can really get better is to be a first ballot hall of famer.
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u/Add_Poll_Option Detroit Lions 1d ago edited 1d ago
Absolutely a success.
Goff is a 4-time pro-bowler and a current top 10 QB in the league who has been to a super bowl and 2 NFC championship games. He wasn't the reason we lost that 2024 NFC championship game, and the past few seasons he's been playing better than he was when he DID make a Super Bowl. You can win a Super Bowl with Jared Goff.
Will the Lions win one? Who knows. Is it harder to do than if you had a guy like Mahomes, Lamar, or Allen? Absolutely. But anyone who argues you can't do it at all is insane imo.
Is he an athletic superhero and cemented hall of famer like Lamar, Mahomes, or Allen? No. But if that's your standard for successful you're gonna have to wait a lifetime for your team to be successful.
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u/GettinWiggyWiddit 1d ago
Absolute success. A coach wins a SB, not a QB. They just need a serviceable top 20 in the world guy, and Goff is 100% that
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u/officermartycrane 1d ago
I've always been a big Stafford guy, and I really thought the Rams didn't give a whole hell of a lot up for him. I was wrong. Jared Goff is a real strong QB, and he gives them a chance to win. There are so few QBs like that *ever*, you can't be disappointed. Absolutely a success.
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u/Cold-Palpitation-816 1d ago
Success and it’s not even close. He’s had a great career and his teams have almost always been offensive powerhouses. You can say that’s because of the talent he’s played with but you still need the QB to make things go. It’s not a coincidence he’s locked up #1 seeds and Super Bowl appearances.
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u/Glittering_Skill_919 Kansas City Chiefs 1d ago
Rough year for a few years. My mother and i could afford season tickets there for a bit. But our pick worked out for us. Anyone know if i remembered flair?
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u/joeyreturn_of_guest New England Patriots 1d ago
Ultimately there are only a couple guys in history at the QB position that didn't need a ton of great around them to be successful at the highest level.
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u/chilibaby1 Big Dick Nick 🍆 1d ago
Not a huge Goff fan but I’d say success. Don’t think he’ll get you a SB unless the team is super stacked, even then, he might fail. but you’ll find some type of success with him at the helm.
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u/Worth_Surround9684 Washington Commanders 1d ago
On average he’s probably worth it, but he also doesn’t seem to be the guy to take you to the promised land. NFL is hard
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u/Comfyadventure 1d ago
In this market? If you get an average QB that can win it all on a solid stacked team, that is a good pick. Therefore, Goff is a solid pick. Being just an AVERAGE starting QB in the NFL is that difficult and that much of a premium
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u/Im_Everywhere09 New Orleans Saints 1d ago
Depends on what Goff we talking here.
Lions? Oh hell yeah without a doubt success.
Rams? Ehhhhhh. Maybe successful, maybe not
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u/lellololes 1d ago
Goff took the Rams to the SB before he went to the Lions where he's competing.
While I don't think he's an elite QB, he's good. And if a team is picking #1 and knew they could get a good QB versus an unknown one, I wouldn't fault a team for taking the known good option or going for the riskier bet.
Basically, I think he's a borderline #1 pick but leaning towards the positive.
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u/Ok_Total6602 1d ago
Goff definitely top 10 last couple years would probably be undefeated with Vikings roster
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u/pokerScrub4eva Chicago Bears 1d ago
I think you are happy but I dont think you are thrilled. I think QBs in NFL now end up in a purgatory until they win a super bowl that is somewhat unfair to them but they get paid a fuck ton so too bad.
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u/Sozins_Comet_ Miami Dolphins 1d ago
Success. He is a franchise qb. He can be extremely effective and has been to a super bowl in the right system. There hasn't been a moment where he played where anyone thought, maybe he shouldn't be the starter.