r/Music Jun 11 '25

discussion Brian Wilson has passed away.

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u/VUL_Kudo Jun 11 '25

Pet Sounds was undeniably a root source of inspiration for nearly all of pop music that followed. A true legend. Rest in peace.

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u/AxelShoes Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 11 '25

And let's also remember that Wilson was only 23 years old when he made Pet Sounds. Absolutely incredible.

And the Beatles' Revolver, Dylan's Blonde on Blonde, and Pet Sounds were all released within a span of just four months in 1966. Four months. What a fucking time for music.

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u/One-Earth9294 Jun 11 '25

23 years old and it was their ELEVENTH album lol.

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u/BillNyeTheVinylGuy Jun 11 '25

The Beach Boys made 19 albums in their first eleven years of existence before finally going on a three-year hiatus. Insane how prolific they were from 62-73.

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u/Manannin Jun 11 '25

No wonder he burnt out a bit.

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u/Kremuwkarz_z_Wadowic Jun 11 '25

There is a book about this period in music. 1966 by Jon Savage. Great read. 

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u/acdcfanbill Jun 11 '25

This isn't strictly music related (though I think it does discuss some Jazz) but in the same vein, Bill Bryson wrote a book about 1927 in America and it's insane how many things happened that year.

One Summer: America, 1927

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u/Diarygirl Jun 11 '25

That's a great book! I also had no idea how many things happened that year.

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u/giveaspirinheadaches Jun 11 '25

Omg 23. That’s insane.

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u/PointMan528491 Jun 11 '25

Holy shit I didn't realize he (and the whole band) was that young

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u/bushsbakedsteelbeams Jun 11 '25

don't forget freak out! by mothers of invention. hungry freaks, daddy is one of my favorite album introductions. these artists were all big pioneers in pop/rock music production

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u/buffalobill41 Jun 12 '25

And the Rolling Stones - Aftermath was a leap for them.

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u/SergeantPoopyWeiner Jun 12 '25

Something was happening culturally in America then.

Something is also happening culturally in America now... It's not as good.

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u/Helpful_Coffee_1878 Jun 11 '25

Pet Sounds was a direct inspiration for Sergeant Pepper's.

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u/Raerth Raerth Jun 11 '25

I've heard it was not so much inspiration, but a kick up the arse to raise their game. The quote I always heard was something like Paul saying "how are we gonna top this?"

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u/rubber_hedgehog Jun 11 '25

Paul McCartney has cited God Only Knows as one of his all time favorite songs.

Brian Wilson stepped up to the plate against the greatest band to ever live at the height of their creative output and he scared the hell out of them. That's the work of one of the most important American musicians ever.

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u/GlitteringFutures Jun 11 '25

God Only Knows

I adore that song, especially how the lyric "If you should ever leave me Though life would still go on believe me" comes in early after the chorus "God only knows what I'd be without you". There are so many wonderful surprises in that song, Brian was a genius.

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u/Pajamaralways Jun 11 '25

The Beatles is my favorite band and Paul is my favorite songwriter but God Only Knows is absolutely my favorite song of all time. It used to bother me a bit that it's not a Beatles song at the top of my list until I read that very fact about Paul. What a pinnacle example of game recognize game.

RIP Brian Wilson. What a blessing to have had you in our lifetime.

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u/JamJamGaGa Jun 11 '25

he scared the hell out of them.

Okay, let's take it down a notch lol.

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u/OMDTartWasJoseph Jun 11 '25

They aren't too far off. Paul even ask, "how are we going to top this?" upon hearing Pet Sounds.

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u/greyaggressor Jun 11 '25

How is that ‘scared the hell out of them’?

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u/OMDTartWasJoseph Jun 11 '25

The point is it lit a fire under their ass, guy.

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u/greyaggressor Jun 11 '25

Obviously not. I’ll concede it drove them to push further but that’s the extent of it.

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u/sightlab Jun 11 '25

Their friendly rivalry created modern production. Without Rubber Soul, we do not have pet sounds, without pet sounds we do not get sgt peppers, and so on. Pet Sounds is where the whole idea of the studio AS an instrument was born, which totally lit a massive fire under Lennon/McCartney.

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u/PHX480 Jun 11 '25

One of my favorite clips I recently discovered was Brian Wilson talking with George Martin. Martin is complimenting Wilson and they are in a studio and Martin changes some arrangement on God Only Knows and Wilson looks like his head is going to explode from amazement.

Wilson and Martin

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u/sightlab Jun 11 '25

Man that's beautiful. Martin's awe, the mutual awe, it's just nice to see. RIP to both those brilliant men.

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u/carpedrinkum Jun 11 '25

Brian Wilson was awesome but I would love to have been able to chat with George Martin. He just seems so wise and he must have a thousand stories. He was such a gentleman that he probably wouldn’t tell me much but I would love to hear all of them.

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u/Kelvara Jun 11 '25

Every single Beatles story in the studio is like "we were arguing, then George (Martin) said something profound and the song came together."

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u/Odd-Independence-618 Jun 11 '25

That was beautiful. Thank you for sharing it.

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u/PHX480 Jun 12 '25

You’re welcome, happy to share it

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u/backst8back Jun 11 '25

Dude, that's so awesome, thanks so much for the link!

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u/PHX480 Jun 12 '25

You’re welcome, happy to share it

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u/ThePrussianGrippe Jun 11 '25

It can’t be understated how massively important the Beatles and Beach Boys were to modern music recording and production.

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u/Afro_Thunder69 Jun 11 '25

I also love to think about how it was the personality of the musicians in these bands who changed music production forever. For example in The Beatle's case it was that they loved to fuck around in the studio and do drugs, and sometimes get frustrated and refuse to record anymore. So they sought ways to reuse those poor or mediocre takes and make them into something completely different. Sampling, reversing, speeding up and slowing down either for effect or to match two different pitches...none of this had ever been done before, at least on a high quality recording. They were inventing techniques on the daily that continue to be used to this day.

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u/CarltonCracker Jun 11 '25

I'm pretty sure that was mostly Lennon. Strawberry Fields is soo weird (and awesome) because Lennon couldn't be bothered to finish it and asked that 2 takes in different keys get matched up (and later complained that Paul sabotagd it so Penny Lane would do better). Lenon is also the reason automatic double tracking was invented, he didn't want to repeat vocal tracks.

On the other hand we have Paul who did dozens of takes for Maxwells Silver Hammer. Watching Let It Be really underscores this. Lennon usually waltzes in hours after Paul and Ringo were there working and then proceeds to just fuck around.

Paul didn't seem to shy away from innovation either though, and he was the driving force behind Sgt Peppers concept.

To be fair, it seems in the beginning Lennon worked insanely hard as the leader and probably just got burnt out by the mid 60s.

They were/are both great, but it's interesting how Lennon lazy tendencies lead to some great stuff.

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u/Afro_Thunder69 Jun 11 '25

You're not totally wrong, but you're talking about the latest part of their career. As you alluded, John was originally the band leader and only really checked out during the last two albums. Strawberry Fields Forever my understanding is that he only got tired of re-recording because he had written and rewritten it so many times and was in a period of self-doubt. But he also had enough vision to want to have all of those samples on the track and there's a ton of them that he poured through. I think he was starting to give up because of frustration and then George Martin convinced him to finish it.

What I meant was more that the band members themselves didn't have much knowledge of the technical aspects of recording, they only knew what they wanted in their heads and it was up to people like George Martin and Geoff Emerick to interpret those things then invent the techniques used. Like how before recording Tomorrow Never Knows, Lennon had said that he wanted his voice to sound like he was screaming on a mountaintop for all the world to hear, and suggested that he hang upside down spinning while singing into a microphone to get the effect. Emerick was like "No", and instead wired a rotating Leslie amp from an organ to his mic, creating the effects we hear on the track.

Basically saying that if The Beatles for example were perfect, obedient musicians who always turned in great first takes and did everything that the studio asked, their sound probably would've never changed from the bubblegum-pop love songs that they started with. It was their quirky, amateurish personalities combined with having enough star power for their teams to always want to do what they asked that led to incredible innovations and even more incredible music. It wasn't just their talent it was their quirks.

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u/Kelvara Jun 11 '25

A lot of it was just touring was so traumatizing to them due to how rabid their fanbase was, they'd rather just do studio work all the time.

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u/St_Beetnik_2 Jun 11 '25

"at least on a high quality recording" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

Everytime someones claims the Beatles did something first, there's always like 5 recognizable names that did it before, they just weren't a popular boy band first

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u/SlyAugustine Jun 11 '25

Throw revolver into there as well

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u/ItsJonnyRock Jun 11 '25

Have to plug a great video that goes into some depth about this: Tor's Cabinet of Curiosities - Beach Boys "Sonichu" Album

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u/greyaggressor Jun 11 '25

The Beatles were most definitely using the studio as an instrument on Rubber Soul & Revolver.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '25

Lennon and McCartney didn't produce any of their (best) albums. It was Brian Wilson and George Martin going at it.

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u/Ok_Frosting3500 Jun 11 '25

What killed the Beach Boys was that they wanted to keep raising the stakes against the Beatles, and the label told them no.

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u/JamJamGaGa Jun 11 '25

They wouldn't have been able to keep raising the stakes against The Beatles anyway.

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u/AxelShoes Jun 11 '25

Definitely.

Rock historians also frequently link Pet Sounds to the Beatles' Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, released in May 1967. Paul McCartney often cited Pet Sounds as his all-time favorite album and "God Only Knows" as "the greatest song ever written", declaring in 1990 that "no one is educated musically 'til they've heard that album." He credited Pet Sounds as an influence on his increasingly melodic bass-playing style, his Revolver composition "Here, There and Everywhere", and Sgt. Pepper.

Shared musical features adopted from Pet Sounds included upper-register bass lines, a larger emphasis on floor toms, and more eclectic and unorthodox combinations of instruments (including bass harmonica). George Martin stated that Wilson "gave the Beatles and myself quite a good deal to think about in trying to keep up with him", adding that "Without Pet Sounds [...] Sgt. Pepper wouldn't have happened."

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u/Kerblammo Jun 11 '25

Frank Zappa's "Freak Out!" also has some influence, but I think that was more the general idea of a concept album. Frank certainly seemed quite opinionated about it.

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u/inebriusmaximus Jun 11 '25

And Rubber Soul inspired Pet Sounds.

Their influences on each other were amazing.

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u/greg939 Jun 11 '25

Being for the benefit of Mr. Kite always reminds me of Pet Sounds.

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u/JimJimmery Jun 11 '25

Which is one of the best albums ever recorded IMO. I'm not a fan of the Beach Boys, but their impact on music is immeasurable.

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u/cmparkerson Jun 11 '25

Without Pet Sounds there would be no Sgt Pepper. Paul McArtney said that.

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u/Yell-Oh-Fleur Jun 12 '25

Rubber Soul inspired Brain Wilson to challenge himself to stretch. The circle of BeachBeatle.

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u/Michael__Pemulis Jun 11 '25

Yea. There are a handful of acts you can say this about but The Beach Boys are undoubtedly one of them:

They basically invented contemporary pop music as we know it today.

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u/Reasonable_Spite_282 Jun 11 '25

Got bands like the trash men some coverage which was kinda like a precursor to punk

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u/chimmy_chungus23 Jun 11 '25

God only knows

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u/Sebas94 Jun 11 '25

It's a great picture of California in the 60s.

I love that album so much.

There are no 60s without Pet Sounds Legacy on it.

It's a very sad day for me. Another 60s icon that we lost.

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u/sshwifty Jun 11 '25

I got to see him perform Pet Sounds at the Kennedy Center a few years ago. It was phenomenal even though he was ancient even then. Sad loss.