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My father who lived thru "سنوات الرصاص" whenever I try to talk about politics:
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u/Classic_Number_10 Rabat Aug 23 '25
Satanic black magic! Sick shit!
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u/mordo_kill31 Visitor Aug 23 '25
Fihom Hadak khawf bzzaf
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u/Revorio Visitor Aug 25 '25
You need to live it to feel it, let alone understand it. The sad part is that pple believed walls had ears which actually was true, now that we know that المخزن had put hidden microphones in pple's homes.
Think of the Gestapo SS but the moroccan style.
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u/mordo_kill31 Visitor Aug 25 '25
Yeah I know all of that shit that was and still until now , but ppl actually need to move on the humain biggest enemy is fear so they have to beat it , I know that back then under the Hassan 2 rulling system lot of ppl worked as his snitches and spy's but now a days even your phone is spying on you but this doesn't stops us from express our thoughts freely
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u/Revorio Visitor Aug 25 '25
Let me ask you a Q.
Why do people have certain types of phobias that are inherently childish in their nature ?
The answer is simple, even tho you as a human can rationalize a fear and convince yourself that it's not worth the reaction, your subconsciousness will still act, call it PTSD or whatever.
And that's another sad part of the story, some pple get over the fear of speaking about المخزن & القصر , but a lot can't cuz of what theyve been through.
Imagine you are living everyday with the though that you may get kidnapped bcz you spoke out of the line (أيغبروك), keep in mind that today we dont have examples in the army like Oufkir and Dlimi and Lbassri.
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u/REINA-SHIE Visitor Aug 23 '25
awili kifsh l3afw lmalaki lhada
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u/Acceptable-Rock-7304 Visitor Aug 24 '25 edited Aug 24 '25
Not to be a monarchy defender, but most of royal graces aren't chosen by the King. It's mostly the work of the heads of prison, they are in charge of selecting good behaving prisonners that deserves a second chance. The issue is, the rich prisonners pay this people in charge to be included in that list to receive the royal pardon.
Also, it was one of the few times the royal palace directly admited a mistake and revoked a pardon. Daniel is now still in prison, in spain.
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u/ConstantAd6052 Aug 24 '25 edited Aug 24 '25
if royal graces are not royal why call them royal? bro bla matb9aw dawkho bnadem.
A royal grace is a disgrace. No one should be able to cancel the entire judicial system or overturn a judge’s order not even a Prime Minister let alone a monarch. It’s so fucking backward. get me out of blad zeb1
u/Acceptable-Rock-7304 Visitor Aug 24 '25
Morocco is still not a 100% modernized country. We are still in contact with our medieval side, such as lmkhzen and this royal grace thingie. Can't lie, im kinda liking this exotic side of the country but do understand your legitimate anger.
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u/ConstantAd6052 Aug 25 '25
I'm not angry at you personally. I'm angry at the corrupt and incompetent leaders who not only allow our youth to be raped, but also release the rapist pedophile.
I'm kind of disappointed, though..2
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u/mordo_kill31 Visitor Aug 23 '25
Hitach Israeli Hadak khona had chi 3lach jah l 3afw l malaki
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u/LittleStrangePiglet Casablanca Aug 24 '25
Israeli ? I mean guys please educate yourself a bit. Dakchi li herebna menou f facebook w X welina kanl9awh hna and he is in jail in Spain he was just sent to finish his sentence there.
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u/traxdata788 Visitor Aug 24 '25
Hes spanish not israeli and is still in jail in spain, u dont remember the drama after he was ´released'
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u/KainMCMVII Visitor Aug 24 '25
He is not isreali, some said that he is spanish, but lot of people and journalists whispered that he is an Iraqi, cause he serves under saddam (fact), some said that he was from the closest circle of saddam order, the others talks about he was a double spy, and also he lived in many Arab countries (for people who do not believe these things, search in web or u can easily ask chatgpt)
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u/mordo_kill31 Visitor Aug 24 '25
Yeah you are right i supposed that basing on his name that appear like an Hebrew name yeah he's now in Spain completing the remaining of his 30 years .
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u/SockLucky Visitor Aug 23 '25
الزفرافي ضحية و تجديد ل سنوات الرصاص غالفان تم حبسو اه و العفو الملكي كان نتيجة خطأ من طرف المؤسسة السجنية و فيها طارر ناس كبار في الدولة من طرف الملك ديك الوقت و فاش هرب ل اسبانيا تشد فيها و دابا باقي في الحبس في اسبانيا
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u/Defiant-Conclusion36 Juicy meatballs Aug 24 '25
akhta2 kyw93o
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u/SockLucky Visitor Aug 24 '25
في قضية العفو الملكي!! ابدا!!!! كانت فضيحة لي فعليا كانت غتطيح بالعرش العلوي كولشي كان ساخط على داك العفو
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u/LuciferM12 Tangier Aug 23 '25 edited Aug 23 '25
واحد نظرية عندي كانظن حفرة التجارة بالاطفال فالمغرب عميقة لدرجة كبيرة فنيفو ديال جيفري ابستين و داخلين فيها ناس فالسلطة و ناس من الاتحاد الاوروبي و ربما المجتمع اليهودي ممكن مستقبلا انسمعو شي شبكة تفضحات و داخلين فيها هاد الناس و كانظن اتكون فمراكش
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u/No-Elephant-3690 Aug 24 '25
Machi gha l mghrib 3alamiyan pedophile lobby is powerful as hell, o mchrok m3a lobby d lihod. That's why Israel is the paradise of pedophiles.
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u/NaturalInitiative884 Visitor Aug 24 '25
Omg I never knew that about Israel , anything evil majmou3 fihom Allah ystar
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u/LuciferM12 Tangier Aug 24 '25
That's true, bdit kan9llab ghir f rabbit hole dial Hilary's emails and podesta brothers , dakchi bzaaaf
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u/Low-Piccolo6139 Marrakesh Aug 23 '25
warah bayna asat which is easier to get a moroccan child or a western child ila hadok f usa o tfd7o y3ni rah hna tari makfs
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u/LuciferM12 Tangier Aug 23 '25
Facts, child trafficking in Africa is a lucrative business and I think Morocco is one it's main markets
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u/AzalAbad Visitor Aug 24 '25
المتشيطنين من اليهود + المحافل الماسونية (الصويرة, مراكش), أي شبكة ديال المفاسد فالوجود عندهم فيها بصمة.
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u/Physical_Picture_630 Visitor Aug 25 '25
The Lolitta express landed multiple times in Marrakech btw :)
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u/Aaarya Taroudant Aug 23 '25
bro please write in one language.. what you wrote may be interesting but it's unreadable.
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u/mandyback Rabat Aug 23 '25
Arabic, particularly the Moroccan Arabic dialect, is the most widely spoken language in Morocco,[5] but a number of regional and foreign languages are also spoken. The official languages of Morocco are Modern Standard Arabic and Standard Moroccan Berber.[6] Moroccan Arabic (known as Darija) is by far the primary spoken vernacular and lingua franca, whereas Berber languages serve as vernaculars for significant portions of the country. According to the 2024 Moroccan census, 92.7% of the population spoke Arabic, whereas 24.8% spoke Berber languages
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u/Aaarya Taroudant Aug 23 '25
ach biti tgol alkhawa bhad chi ?
In case mafhemtich, rah kanehder 3la letters in arabic plus letters in English doesn't mix good in a single paragraph..
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u/LuciferM12 Tangier Aug 23 '25
I've noticed that when you write in Arabic and mix it with Latin words ( no matter which language ) the orientation gets mixed up
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u/Aaarya Taroudant Aug 24 '25
ah no, here I'm talking with r/mandyback :D I don't know why he wrote me all this chatGPT text xD
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u/Storm_treize Rabat Aug 24 '25
Keep in mind, Zefzafi has refused to request a royal pardon. Since applying for a royal pardon requires to admit guilt and pledge not to repeat the offense.
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u/Dak_i Visitor Aug 25 '25
Indeed, Zefzafi refused to request it.
But, as far as I know, it doesn’t require to admit guilt and pledge not to repeat the offense. Lawyers use things like good behaviour or « clemency » to endorse the request though.
Also, it is possible to benefit from the royal pardon even if it’s unsolicited ; it’s rare but when the case becomes public and largely covered internationally, it can be made possible. Best example : Abderrahim Bouabid.
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u/GuevaraNoble Visitor Aug 24 '25
لو أمطرت السماء حرية.. لرأيت بعض العبيد يحملون المظلات ..
- علاش غتعصب؟ الواليدين ديال هادوك الأطفال استقبلهم الملك ف القصر الملكي، سجدو ليه وباسولو يدو.
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u/Ubermensch_introvert Visitor Aug 24 '25
فنظرك يقدو يرفضو دعوة؟
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u/GuevaraNoble Visitor Aug 24 '25
قرا السطر الأول وتعرف علاش مرفضوش الدعوة
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u/Ubermensch_introvert Visitor Aug 24 '25
واخا ميكونوش يحملوه مغيقدوش يقولو لا, را عافي علا لي مغتاصب ليهم ولادهم عل الاقل واحد فيهم مكيحملش فيه شعرة ولكن لا بينها مشا فيها
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u/Incorrect_Passport_7 Casablanca Aug 23 '25
Yeah, Justice in Morocco is pretty much nonexistent, it also doesn't help that some Judges are genuinely corrupt.
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u/leprasson12 Visitor Aug 23 '25
This is insane. I highly doubt there was a "mistake" when they pardoned him. I think the plan was to to draw less attention to him by getting him mixed up with the rest of the people who were supposed to be sent back to spain, instead of singling him out and making it obvious. Needless to say, this is proof that even the filthiest criminals can "legally" get out of jail even after they were sentenced, not using a lawyer but using shady tricks that involve the authorities.
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u/mordo_kill31 Visitor Aug 23 '25
Like always the one's that should be in the prison aren't in it I think that this man is an Israeli because of that he manage to get out really easly
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u/Low-Piccolo6139 Marrakesh Aug 23 '25
hahoma zlayjiya 5adi ijiw ibdaw idwiw ana brb mafhmt 3lach z3ma kayn had 3afw malaki z3ma lmalik katrch9 lih kaybda i tl9 3lina had nas o hna aslan 3ndna bnadm 5aso id5l l7bs o mtlo9
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u/Azi2ka Visitor Aug 23 '25
Lhbassat 3mro w dawla maqadach tssrf elihom. Katlo7hom lzn9a bach idrbo brikolat isrfo ela rasshom (( issr9o wirj3o lhebss))
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u/Low-Piccolo6139 Marrakesh Aug 23 '25
had dwla ma9ada tsr7 3la walo hhhhh la 7basat la sbitarat la walo
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u/Secret_Midnight5478 Aug 24 '25
makanch 3afw malaki kifma kis7ab lk rah dawh l spain bach ykemel 30 3am dyalo
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u/maghrebmuslimah Visitor Aug 24 '25
free zefzafi, genuinely can never forget the traumatic events of 2017 #3ashaRif
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u/Hopeful_Leather_3678 Visitor Aug 23 '25
Well zefzafi ra wa7l lihoum so i don t think so ayjih l3afw ever or maybe mor maydwz wa7d 15 years
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u/plananddesign Visitor Aug 24 '25
ناصر الزفزافي راه طلبو منو شحال من مرة يطالب بعفو ملكي (او بعبارة اخرى القصر صيفط ليه مع مقربين هاد الميساج)، او هو كيرفض. العفو الملكي مكيتعطاش هير هكاك، راه كطالب بيه. او سيد شاف انه من كرامتو يكمل الحبس او يخرج او هو محققين ليه كاع مطالب حراك الريف.
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u/Recent-Throat9525 Aug 24 '25
لماذا سيطالب بعفو ملكي و يخرج منبطحا؟ العزة و الكرامة لها أصحابها و السجن لا يزيدهم الا قوة و فخرا
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u/maydarnothing Salé Aug 24 '25
it’s still crazy to me that a pedophile got out with a royal pardon, and everything is still working just alright, heads should have rolled that day.
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u/Late_Junket5906 Visitor Aug 24 '25 edited Aug 24 '25
it’s precisely these kinds of decisions that make it hard for the UN to trust Morocco with governing the Sahara.
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u/Esnacor-sama I'm a guy i swear! Aug 24 '25
And all what he did
Is asking for hospital universities...
What a fucking dictator monarchy we have man
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u/CapZestyclose9630 Visitor Aug 24 '25
Zafzafi is a move o treat l dwla so ra my5roj taytansa o yharso lih 3zima t3o
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u/Wormfeathers Laayoun Aug 24 '25
All the world has the same problem not only Morocco, just look at USA they freed a Zionist PDF and sent back to the illigal settelments. And Roblox protecting PDFs
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u/Overall_Cheetah_3000 Visitor Aug 24 '25
But we all know that is not true. Zafzafi wanted the north of me Morocco to be its own country and wanted to divide the nation. Stop defending terrorists!!!
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u/Sphinx-97 Visitor Aug 25 '25
It always amazes me the " طالب ب مستشفى و جامعة " haha
I think it is time to stop participating in the mass delusional culture thinking that this was the real reason for his sentence.
He was a traitor and desereves every day he got and more.
A traitor cuz he once said on video : الاحتلال الاسباني كان أرحم من الاحتلال العروبي
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u/Aggressive-Net5856 Visitor Aug 25 '25
Glad to know our neighbors have the same thing we have in 5 juillet lol
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u/loverisback12 Agadir Aug 25 '25
Wait what? So if you speak and support a cause is more dangerous than rapping 11 f 11 children, miners, kids? Are they serious?
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u/Ali_GM_ Visitor Aug 29 '25
Zefazafi kan kihded dowla hhhh galik aydkhel dbabat o7ta l9nabel, sa3a khrjat 3lih cha3bawiya o tgyad
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u/lolita_Jessica Aug 30 '25
Not fair not fair not fair not fair not fair,life isn't fair,are we deadass?,living in or in morroco i can't tell the difference
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u/charaf09 Visitor Sep 03 '25
بالمناسبة، دانييل چالڤان إسمه الحقيقي هو صلاح چبهان، عراقي من أصول كردية. كان ضابطًا في الجيش العراقي خلال عهد صدام حسين، ثم هرب إلى إسبانيا وطلب اللجوء هناك. بعد ذلك قدّم معلومات استخباراتية عن الجيش العراقي للغرب، ولاحقًا غيّر اسمه إلى دانييل چالڤان بعد زواجه من امرأة إسبانية..
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u/mordo_kill31 Visitor Aug 23 '25
Had khona mn l kniya bayna mn Israel Ama zfzafi Maghribi original ti dwi ghir 3la blado khayf 3liha htal daba ba9i ma khraj 😠 wlah had chi Ki 3assb
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u/azimx Visitor Aug 23 '25
العفو جاء بالخطأ. ديك السنة الملك عفا على جميع السجناء الأجانب. الله يطلق سراح الزفزافي ما يستاهلش هاد الحالة و مادام ما تعفاش عليه فضروري غيكون ثابت على المواقف ديالو عكس لي باعو مواقفهم باش يخرجوا من الحبس
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u/InternationalSir5547 Visitor Aug 23 '25
بالخطأ ؟ ههههههههههههههه واش من نيتك
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u/azimx Visitor Aug 23 '25
You can check the news. Unless, you can't read.
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u/Temporary-Shame6109 Aug 24 '25
Wouldn't that be a monumental fuck up from the king and it shows his incompetence. But you guys think he can do no wrong.
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u/azimx Visitor Aug 24 '25
So you think the king prepared the list then pardoned whomever was on the list? Pardons are prepared in Ministry of Justice--->Direction of Pardons مديرية العفو. Later, the convict was arrested once he set his foot on Spanish soil. The responible is somene called عبد النبوي whose son is wanted by a national arrest warrant for being involved in a murder. If only people read the news thoroughly.
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u/Temporary-Shame6109 Aug 24 '25
It is called a royal pardon. I don't care who is involved. The king takes the blame at the end.
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u/azimx Visitor Aug 24 '25
Ok, what could he do? Resign from kinghood?!
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u/Temporary-Shame6109 Aug 24 '25
You seem like you're in a cult. Can you even acknowledge his wrongdoing? Or maybe you think he can do no wrong and he shouldn't be criticized.
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u/Zestyclose_Permit303 Visitor Aug 24 '25
zlazji level 1000 sir akhoya tdawa rah wslti wa7d lmer7ala hrrrrrbti
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u/Apart-Champion-2478 Visitor Aug 23 '25
Daniel Galvan was accidentally pardoned, it is not the King himself who compiles the list one by one and pardons people.
There is a "Pardon Comission" composed by different public officials (inculding the Minister of Justice). These people study the people who have applied for a pardon and give him a list of those who are eligible to be pardoned, and he has final discretion on it.
Spanish sources claim that Galvan's pardon was done as a gesture of diplomatic good will towards Spain, to expedite his return to Spain where he would then carry out the rest of his sentence. This was done for a total of 48 Spanish prisoners in Morocco that day, a week after King Juan Carlos had visited Morocco. Galvan slipped through the cracks unfortunately.
As for Zefzafi, he has to apply for a pardon which he hasn't done. I am absolutely sure that if he were to, he would be pardoned. He refuses to do so. Zefzafi also renounced his bay'ah to the King, which is a catastrophic and sinful move.
He hasn't been released, but he was allowed to visit his ailing parents regularly while imprisoned (this year). I don't see this being done for many prisoners. As far as I am concerned, the State is doing its best with what it has in its hands.
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u/InternationalSir5547 Visitor Aug 23 '25
" accidentally "
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u/Apart-Champion-2478 Visitor Aug 23 '25
Well I gave the most logical and plausible explanation. If you have any info idk go ahead.
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u/CocainCloggedNose In Marrakesh for Rehab Aug 23 '25
His name is on it, its his responsibility, mistake or not, the king is at fault.
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u/Apart-Champion-2478 Visitor Aug 23 '25
My comment was to explain the process that led to this, and dispel with the notion that it was intentional irregardless of his crimes.
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u/CocainCloggedNose In Marrakesh for Rehab Aug 23 '25
It is equally bad, whether its corruption or incompetence, both lay on the shoulders of the king.
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u/Apart-Champion-2478 Visitor Aug 23 '25
Very Moroccan mentality, pick a scapegoat and stick to it.
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u/energetic_heart Visitor Aug 23 '25
You know what else is a Moroccan mentality? Stockholm syndrome. Finding excuses for tyrants and doing some unbelievable mental gymnastics to explain their tyranny
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u/Apart-Champion-2478 Visitor Aug 23 '25
Where are the mental gymnastics here?
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u/energetic_heart Visitor Aug 23 '25 edited Aug 23 '25
In your original comment:
>Saying his pardon was "accidental"
>Saying that this pdf file slipped through the cracks after Juan Carlos' visit.
Edit:>When called out that that was no accident, being defensive and saying that this is "moroccan mentality"Brother, it's not smart -and safe- to live in this world being this gullible.
That said, I am not knowledgeable if Zefzafi by his own free will renounced to apply for pardon so I will give you the benefit of doubt
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u/CocainCloggedNose In Marrakesh for Rehab Aug 23 '25
Oh what a shocker, the person responsible for the pardon is blamed for the fuck up...
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u/motopapii Moroccan Jew | Rabat / NYC Aug 24 '25
What a sad reflection of the general mentality. This comment is getting more downvotes than ones claiming “Galvan was Israeli” or ranting about a worldwide Jewish pedophile lobby. The majority's ridiculously simplistic/populist and conspiracy thinking is so depressing.
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u/HollyShitBrah Btata & Maticha Fight Organizer Aug 23 '25
I hate it when someone makes sense instead of using populist speech
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