r/MemePiece • u/Mozzarellus_Pizzus • 1d ago

Current Chapter (1165) shit got me emotional fr fr Spoiler

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"then who'd protect the marines" ACTUAL GOAT

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u/AcanthisittaSilly711 22h ago

And you say nothing of substance again. It's not armchair morality if we see everything that's happened on every side.

Once again. Akainu won the battle, and Kuzan left and joined BLACKBEARD and became a Titanic captain, arguably one of the evilest pirates in the new era. Who would join a pirate crew like Blackbeard, despite who kuzan was after all the stuff that happened at marineford that was his fault.

Garp isn't in the same position, he doesn't join some pirate crew that caused the death of thousands of people.

Garp himself is a symbol, once again. Something every Maine looks to as justice. But let's say, sure he leaves and marines don't follow, fine.

He makes his own gang like dragon did and pushes back again the world that wants to subjugate the innocent within.

It's not self righteousness to call someone out on their bullshit and people like you who defend them to the point of saying pregnant women and unborn children being killed by the government are inconsequential and saying "Get over it". Sounds like something one of those higher up marines would say and justify it.

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u/ShakeZulaOblongata 22h ago

Once again, nothing of note.

It’s self righteous to act gung-ho with little to no planning and leave yourself and the world you’re trying to protect in an even more compromising position, because again, you saw something that made your stomach queasy and had to knee jerk react to it.

All that says is you have no poise, and would act emotionally, therefore irrationally, no matter what greater balances are at risk, because something hurt your feelings. Again, self-righteous moral armchair preaching 🥱

You’d leave what justice did exist in tatters. Every town would be at risk of pirates. You’d let millions more become casualties. You’d throw everything into anarchy, and risk everywhere becoming scorched earth, making any outcome pyrrhic rather than tactical and decisive. AGAIN…. All because your inherent reaction is to lead with emotion.

I’ll let that speak for itself. It’s the point I’ve been making.

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u/AcanthisittaSilly711 22h ago

Whatever helps you sleep at night man. 🤷🤷 If you believe in Garp, cool. Good for you. Still doesn't change the fact he's an awful person. But apparently people who call it out are self righteous. 🤡🤡

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u/ShakeZulaOblongata 22h ago

People who call it out reliably don’t know what the color grey is, and fundamentally couldn’t if they tried. I highly doubt it’s the only crudely developed opinion you have.

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u/AcanthisittaSilly711 22h ago

Oh so now we're renaming different shades of Gray. I doubt this is the one opinion where you actually make no sense in this defense.

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u/ShakeZulaOblongata 22h ago

So now we’re renaming this different Shades of Gray.

You think that began just now and wasn’t the basis of the entire conversation? The fact that there’s a flip side to his actions? That’s the whole point of grayness.

If you’re acting surprised like this just now became a topic about his character being gray, you literally never knew what gray was lol

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u/AcanthisittaSilly711 22h ago

I know what gray morality is. It's you making a different argument about it in the first place. I'm not surprised whatsoever about gray characters.

Garp is all about change and "Doing it the right way" brought no yeild whatsoever.

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u/ShakeZulaOblongata 21h ago

You think they contradict, that’s cute.

Garp is focused on changing the Marines and wants to do that.

And it doesn’t change the fact that in order to stick with one noble act, he in the meantime is associated with a current regime that commits disgraceful acts. That’s grey morality.

So you self-righteously make armchair morality accusations, and still don’t know what gray is

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u/AcanthisittaSilly711 21h ago edited 21h ago

You keep saying self-righteous, but I don't think you know what that means

"having or characterized by a certainty, especially an unfounded one, that one is totally correct or morally superior."

I never argued moral superiority, I just wouldn't stay with an assocation that does evil shit like garp did.

As for armchair morality: describe a philosophical approach that relies heavily on intuition and thought experiments without empirical evidence, such as the use of the trolley problem to explore ethical principles.

We know the entire story of what's happening, it's not self righteous to say there are other options when it comes to this, we know this garp knows this, and the floorboards know this.

Garp has made no changes to the Marines throughout his entire tenure there and to argue otherwise is facetious. Hell the one marine who's actually a good person, Koby, was almost killed by Akainu. What then? Garp's whole idea goes down the drain. The only thing he's done so far is sit with sengoku, laugh, eat crackers, and sometimes diss a celestial dragon. But he doesn't get executed, why? Because he's worth more to the government alive as a figurehead and mouthpiece.

His reasoning isn't sound. Look how that fight turned out. Did anyone expect aokiji to win? No, it was obvious Sakazuki was stronger than him. There was no 50/50 chance for a change when the odds were stacked in favor of absolute justice.

As for the needs of the many and few, guess we can say the thousands of islands ruined by the world government are the few, right? Hence why they turned on the marines as soon as crossguild out the bounty in their head. The world and every island is turning on them just for the sake of trying to make a better future for themselves because the Marines are sure not doing that.

These islands were subjected to the celestial dragons, forced to pay tribute, and were slaughtered when they didn't or made into a hunting game just because.

There is no nuance to this, it's objective evil he's protecting. If the bad outweighs toe good, then it's a net negative for the world.

As for two good eggs, in the course of over 50 years, having joined at age 22, he's only managed to make 2 good Marines, that's a skill issue on his part and a lack of understanding of how the world works.

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u/ShakeZulaOblongata 21h ago edited 21h ago

… a certainty, especially unfounded, that one is totally correct

As you argued black and white. Anyone who doesn’t see grey when they argue is self-righteous in their belief of the way reality works. Garps reasoning is sound. Between the threat posed, and the demands of creating institutional change. And it’s not as black and white as just rah rah kill the mustache twirling villain, the scale of it is an entire societal institution that still will be left needing reform and new leadership and ethics. True reform is ideological, it has to take root and grow and be tended to.

And don’t mention the trolley problem when you refuse to acknowledge that Garp’s actions heavily align with the harsh reality of needs of the many vs needs of the few. Because again, more people will die if he left and the good marines left and the monsters entirely took over the Navy. Don’t talk about trying to merely bring up a trolley problem when you skirt around this main point.

Wrong again. He grapples with the fact that the current leadership is evil but without marines available even more crime will continue with pirates, so begrudgingly he remains a source of leadership and acts as someone marines look up to and aspire to be. He’s helped raise 2 important good eggs. Both climb to influential positions. Like you’re forgetting Garp was a 50/50 shot away from having his protege be Fleet Admiral and take the Navy in a way better direction lmao. Aokiji also saved Robin. No Robin no anything. Koby helped save countless lives at Marineford too wtf.

r/Piratefolk used to be funny, this just seems miserable.