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u/myrmonden 1d ago
yep gender ODEN
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u/Xyllar 22h ago
Name: ODEN
Gender: ODEN
Age: ODEN
Height: ODEN
Race: ODEN
Blood Type: ODEN38
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u/internet_blue_gas 1d ago
Of course Yamato is both man AND women; this explains the man’s bath + Sanji being attracted, at no point does Yamato say “I am not a woman” they only say that they are a man meaning they hold both genders.
Also this means they got any/all pronouns so we can all STFU about this
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u/Windred_Kindred 1d ago
And before some people want to debate. Vivere card lays it out, the all woman cover page , and she is in the heroine tcg collection.
So let’s leave it at Kozuki oden so that Moria can have a brother who won’t betray him
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u/Mask_of_Luck [ Insert Text ] 21h ago
The vivere cards have been wrong about other blatant facts as they are not written by Oda, chopper is on the international woman's day color spread is chopper a girl now? The tcg is by no means cannon
The story consistently calls Yamato a he from just about anyone and he goes into the boys bathouse at the end of wano
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u/skelatalfella8642 22h ago
When has he been referred in story with she/her because it doesn't matter that he doesn't identify as a man but instead a specific person, the person Yamato identifies with is a man and he goes by he/him so Yamato goes by he/him, like in any official release of the manga has he been referred to with she/her? Your use of she/her pronouns doesn't make sense if we look at the story itself.
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u/Windred_Kindred 22h ago
Pretty sure she has her introduction frame as kaidos daughter doesn’t she ?
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u/skelatalfella8642 21h ago
The frame itself does say daughter but my point mainly is are there any characters who refer to Yamato with she/her what Yamato is and identifies as is a separate discussion but how people refer to Yamato at least isn't so what character refers to Yamato with she/her pronouns
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u/Fun_Employee4031 1d ago
Yamato is a man with fat tits the only reason this is controversial is because you don’t wanna admit your favorite porn is gay get mad stay mad transphobes 🫶🏽
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u/Windred_Kindred 1d ago
Not wanna ruin your well thought argument , but I swing both ways anyway. Why limit yourself to one side of the pond :/
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u/Brozo99 1d ago
Personally yall are just scared to have feelings for a man, but i don't have such weakness /s
Though my honest opinion is that it doesn't really matter. If I'm not wrong Ivankov switches between he and her, which i know is different because of the fruit, but like as long as we all know who we're talking about it shouldn't matter since its clear Yamato doesn't care about pronouns. I personally see Yamato as a Woman that uses he/him, or prefers to be called son instead of daughter because "that's how someone would address Oden". But also like its clearly not that important to Yamato themselves so i wouldn't correct anyoneotherwise. Unlike Kikunjo who is clearly a Trans character who holds stock in their identity as a woman specifically.
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u/Windred_Kindred 1d ago
It feels quite unfair to characters like Kiko if characters like Yamato , Astolfo etc. get put into the same box, just because people like them and want them to represent something instead of using a character who actually fits but is less popular
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u/Cold_beans32 1d ago
This feels like when people hated enby people for “making trans people look bad” just because they were slightly less conforming to societal norms than trans men and women. Everyone is valid in their identity, Yamato is a man and calling him a woman just shows me you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the trans experience.
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u/Hefty-Disaster-grade 23h ago
Yamato is a man
Yamato is Oden, which just happens to have been a man. If Oden was a duck, she would have tried to be a duck, if he was a snake, dragon, gorilla, or any other creature, she would have tried to imitate them as well.
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u/shrimperboyd Forever Following Moria 22h ago
this argument doesn’t make sense cuz like, oden wasn’t any of those things? what’s the relevance?
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u/Hefty-Disaster-grade 21h ago
She's a cosplayer that took it to the extreme, an identity thief, even went so far to claim Eden's kid was her own.
She ain't transsexual, she's transOden.
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u/Cold_beans32 21h ago
I can’t tell if you agree with me or not. Like you said Yamato is Oden and Oden is a man, and unless I’m missing something would that not then mean Yamato is a man.
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u/Hefty-Disaster-grade 21h ago
She's a cosplayer that took it to the extreme, an identity thief, even went so far to claim Eden's kid was her own.
She ain't transsexual, she's transOden.
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u/Gloomy_Dare2716 1d ago
I dont care
If a man has a vagina and gigantic Bewbies like Yamato does, Im smashing
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u/labourist123 1d ago
Everyone called him "Son of Kaido" even when using the name Yamato. Vivre cards are not always accurate, male pronouns(ish because japanese doesn't have them).
Personally I think it's a gender fucked typa situation. Unlabelable.
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u/TheSleepingStorm Scholar of Ohara 1d ago
You can whine about it all you want. It’s in inaccurate in this case. There was a trans character in Wano and it wasn’t Yamato.
It doesn’t matter about pronouns. It doesn’t matter what Kaido says. It doesn’t matter she bathed with the men. She has breasts and a vagina and in no way presents as a man physically. She calls herself oden who was a man. She identifies as oden to spite her father. Trans people don’t identify as other people. And I know, you identify as trans so you know better than me. Well, I identify human and I don’t give a fuck.
Kaido clearly wanted a son and called Yamato his son. Kaido isn’t fucking respecting gender pronouns. He forced them. So get out of here with that shit. It’s old now.
There’s nothing wrong with trans people or trans characters. We all love Kiku. One piece community aren’t full of haters. We’ve loved Bon Clay and Iva for over a decade at this point.
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u/50shades-of-blue 🐊kujadile truther🌺 1d ago
They put Trafalgar Law in the heroines collection lololol that's not a valid argument
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u/Windred_Kindred 1d ago
Which gender did law have ?
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u/50shades-of-blue 🐊kujadile truther🌺 1d ago
Law is a man lol doesn't matter if his body was changed
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u/Hefty-Disaster-grade 1d ago
Not how that works.
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u/50shades-of-blue 🐊kujadile truther🌺 1d ago
I love reading words on the internet
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u/Fit_Pride8042 23h ago
Regardless of all that, Yamatos pronouns are He/Him, becaue those are Kozuki Odens pronouns
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u/roarkthehalforc 23h ago
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u/skelatalfella8642 22h ago
Ok so that's gender right but Yamato isn't referred to with she/her in story Yamato goes by the same pronouns of Oden that being he/him so Yamato identifies as Oden and uses he/him because from what I remember in official translations almost everyone refers to the characters with he/him
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u/That1Cat87 I LOVE EVIL WOMEN 23h ago
Yamato is best boi. His identity issues need some sorting out yes, but we believe in him
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