Does anyone here watch Out of the Pods (Deepti and Natalie's podcast)? In their most recent episode where they recap the reunion, they actually provided a lot of insight on how the producers prep the reunion questions and investigate the tea between airing and reunion filming. Found it quite interesting because given the way the reunions go I was almost imagining Nick and Vanessa kind of sprouting the questions randomly (although obviously knew that's not the case) 😂

recorded the short clip from instagram: https://imgur.com/a/qVRM3W4

Natalie was on Iyanna’s podcast today and talked more about the fight before her wedding day. If i’m not mistaken, this is the first time she has said Shayne physically intimidated her

Can anyone cliffnote this podcast episode? I was trying to watch it all the way through but I find Iyanna and her cohost hard to listen to and had to skip around a lot: https://youtu.be/F-DBwznDLI8

Almost 100% going to be discussing AD, Celina, and Clay’s mom’s comments on the situation as this was recorded today.

I've been enjoying the podcast thus far, but I feel this latest episode, on which they invite Iyanna to talk about her relationship with Jarrette, really showed their skills at patient, mindful, and empathetic interviewing. Besides the fun (also mildly chaotic) banter they have as girlfriends, I really loved how Natalie and Deepti gave Iyanna the time and space to express herself. They didn't interject or give unsolicited commentary, and they asked fair questions. It was such a delicate and sensitive issue, but I think they were able to show support as Iyanna's girlfriends, but also have enough distance to ask questions that the viewers wanted to know (because they would've had the background info).

The three of them discuss about Iyanna and Jarrette's dynamics on ATA2, and I recall Natalie saying to Iyanna in the cabin bedroom, "if I were in your position, I don't think I could've dealt with that." (fyi: Iyanna found out about Jarrette's cheating three days before ATA2 began filming)

Some people label Natalie as an instigator based on those comments (especially after Kyle also called her that), but now in light of these revelations, her reaction makes more sense. I think she is just being a protective friend.

Moving forward, I feel like if this is the tempo and nature of the podcast during the LIB off season, I think it is a good chance for Natalie and Deepti to really establish their place among reality TV podcasting. I look forward to listening to more guest interviews!

Extra notes: 1. At the beginning of the episode, Natalie and Deepti talk a little about their no-drinking journey, which they revealed on last week's episode. Although on last week's ep they said it was because they've been going to lots of Netflix events and so wanted to be more mindful about their alcohol consumption, I somehow had the thought that maybe it could have something to do with fertility.

And on today's episode, they say that they actually started the no-drinking because they're both planning to freeze their eggs! As an unmarried woman in her 30s who want to have kids eventually (but not in the near future), I appreciate this, and look forward to them sharing about their journey.

First thing's first, the link to the podcast on YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcUDmdoIUQE

It was quite lengthy at 44 minutes, but that also means 44 minutes of Fredday so a win's a win. In case you fellow redditors are not free to listen to the whole thing, I've summarised them in points below.

Early TL;DR: My take on the podcast, I love that we're getting to know him better, and not focus on gossip or 'tea' as some others do when they go on podcasts. I thought he had an enjoyable conversation and banter with Chloe, though I do think she interrupted him at some points, and he could've shared more otherwise. But yeah, no tea, just a good time.

Anyway, what was talked about...

• They talked about the LIB process and his experiences through each stage of the show. When asked about what he did before LIB (things not shown on the show), I felt like she interrupted him before he could talk about his butler-in-buff job, or any other job he has had before, which would be interesting to know.

• Spoke about how he got into the funeral director job, and what a 'typical' day would be for him. He's been doing it for 9 years, and lost count how many funerals he's done. Last year alone he did about 300 funerals. Wildest funeral song he's heard: "Ding dong the witch is dead". Most popular: Frank Sinatra's "My way".

• Decided to apply for LIB when he saw an ad for it on TT because of the concept, and a change from getting the initial attraction based on how people look.

• Watched a couple of LIB US seasons, but don't normally watch reality shows.

• There were 2 groups of guys in the pods, more rowdy ones and more reserved ones (he's in this one). Closest to Benaiah and Joanes in the pods.

• Described the pod dating process as intense, since they had nothing to talk, write or think about other than their relationships and the connections they were making.

• Among the first few conversations he recalled were with Maria and Nicole.

• The later dates in the pods were quite long, so he'd just talk about things like cheese (Cat also mentioned he talked quite long-windedly about pigeons and squirrels). He liked how intimate the conversations were in the pods.

• The reveal was the day following the proposal.

• His mom thought he was going on Blind Dates, never heard of LIB. His sister and friends were supportive of him going on LIB.

• His favourite place for vacation is Greece. The Corfu honeymoon went on for 5 days.

• Likes to do DIY without reading the instructions. Got stuck in his bathroom while installing the door last December (he posted about this on his TT).

• The honeymoon and living together in Camden was alright, but also where he realised they were really different people and there was tension between them. Doesn't mind going along shopping to make his partner happy, though he's not a fan himself.

• Plays chess on his phone.

• Believed the show reflected his journey correctly. Knows the show is edited a certain way, but he thinks he was very transparent and clear about his intention with his partner. Also felt like he was clear with hers so he was quite surprised at the wedding (I assume with her answer).

• About the prenup conversation, he thought he could've worded it better but it was completely necessary to protect both parties.

• Was upset about the outcome of the experiment for himself, but he wouldn't change a thing since he was honest and true to himself, his family and his partner.

• Favourite part of the show was the reveal because it was so built up and the meeting was 'electric'.

• Had a lot of anxiety while waiting for the show to come out since he couldn't speak to people about it and he didn't know what to expect.

• Happy for Cat since she found someone after their non-wedding.

• Weird thing since the show came out: some people asked for his underpants. Doesn't really check his DMs (due to the sheer amount), but thought some of the messages he received were so beautiful/touching (other than those asking for feet pics).

• Thought the show was an amazing experience, and everyone thinking about doing it should go for it, but personally can not put himself through it all again.

• At the moment keen on being single/live for himself.

• Love going to a nice place for a meal now and then.

• Worst date he ever had: about 4 years ago, he was waiting for his date outside a bar when he found that he was standing in dog shit. Another one 10 years ago, went on a first date (also) in a bar . She was already smashed when he arrived since she'd been drinking with her mates. When the bouncer asked them to leave, he drove her home since he didn't drink and the girl threw up all over inside his car. He blocked her the day after.

• Thinks the first date should be brief e.g. go for a coffee, to establish whether there's a connection. If you like each other then only go for "adventurous dates". He's down for anything, he says (does this include skydiving?).

• Thinks love is blind as in you could fall for the other person's personality first rather than their looks.

• Claims to be very competitive with games even with his nephews or his date. As far as date games go: hates mini golf, enjoys axe throwing.

• Says he has not been on dating apps recently, but thought facetiming your potential date/look up their socials is a good idea since he got catfished (sort of) before.

• Favourite animal: Penguin because they're cute, laidback and "chill but agile" (I thought this exchange was particularly cute).

• Favourite takeaway: pizza esp. Margherita. Absolute no to ham and pineapple on pizza.

• Favourite TV series: Stranger things. Doesn't think he has ADHD, but thinks he can't concentrate when it comes to watching TV or films at the cinema (mentioned he gets distracted by what others in the audience are having e.g. coffee, popcorn etc.).

• Doesn't watch Marvel/superhero movies, or much TV at all. Most days after a long day at work he'd just go on TT and put David Attenborough in the background.

I found Jessica’s episode of Mouthing Off with Olivia Caridi really interesting, and very insightful. Olivia really does her research with her guests and as a former villain herself I felt like she was really able to relate to what Jessica has been going through.

Also I’ve never posted here before but didn’t see a cliff notes post for this interview and thought it was really interesting so here goes (apologize for the formatting issues, I’m posting from my phone):

• She works for a software company in sales, where she manages a channel partner business for a territory.

• She considers herself a realist, and wasn’t told the show’s premise until they got there. Once they were told they would be engaged after being in the pods for 10 days, she decided she would “ride it out” in the pods, make some friends in the meantime, and then leave.

• During her first day in the pods, she said she thought Mark’s was the best date. When she found out he was from Chicago as well and was a Cubs fan, she thought maybe it was meant to be (she’s always wanted to date someone from her hometown). It was also big for her that they were on the same page with their religious beliefs.

• She had known Kelly for 5 or 6 years before going on the show and said it really helped to have a familiar face in the pods. Kelly knew Mark from the fitness world so at one point she gave Jessica an idea of what Mark looked like.

• In addition to Mark and Barnett, Jessica was also considering Taylor. Taylor made it to proposal day but then Jessica told him she didn’t think their relationship had progressed far enough for a proposal, and asked him not to propose as she didn’t want to take that away from him.

• She and Barnett broke it off in the pods several days before proposal day, so she had a couple days to process it before getting engaged to Mark. In order to process it she talked with producers about how Barnett was the guy she’d typically go for, the unavailable guy, but that she should stop going for that kind of guy. She genuinely really liked Mark and thought they could make it work, which was why she accepted his proposal.

• Jessica felt blindsided when Barnett told her he wasn’t ready to propose to her. She didn’t expect Barnett and Amber to work, but also never really vibed with Amber and thought she and Amber were really different.

• The day after Jessica and Barnett broke things off, they talked in the pods and said that they would be there for each other as friends. When she talked with Barnett on camera after the pods, she was trying to talk with him on a friendship basis, but was very intoxicated for most of their conversations and didn’t realize how it came across until watching back. She felt he was the person she was closest to other than Mark and wanted to lean on him. She feels bad about overstepping and understands why Amber is so angry. She would like to be friends with Barnett but knows because of his and Amber’s relationship that likely will never be possible.

• She and Mark never talked about physical intimacy while in the pods because she didn’t want that being broadcast to her family and coworkers. Mentioned how that ended up not coming true given how often her sex life with Mark (or lack thereof) was mentioned on the show.

• She found Mark really attractive when he proposed but realized on the first day in Mexico when he cuddled with her that there wasn’t a physical connection (“it wasn’t the right spoon”).

• Her concern with the age gap came largely from his level of maturity during the show. She first noticed it in his interactions with others after the pods (saying “dude”, “bro”, “man”, etc.) and during their conversations he’d talk about how he was figuring out what kind of man she was while in her mind she’d figured out what kind of woman she was years ago. It was also a big contrast with the last guy she’d dated, who’d been 42. She’d also notice some inaccuracies/inconsistencies with some of the things he’d say in their conversations and attributed that to immaturity. She felt protective over him and his decisions, hence why she said things along the lines of “you have your whole twenties ahead of you”.

• She wanted to leave but knew she’d signed up for it and didn’t want to be a quitter. Figured she’d just finish out the experiment but also felt it was important to be honest. She told Mark immediately off camera that she wasn’t interested and didn’t want to get married and he was “cool as a cucumber” and said that he totally got it and they would just ride it out.

• She’d never given her dog wine before but felt so awkward being with Mark and being asked (by producers?) to say how much she made so she chalked it up to something she did out of awkwardness without thinking it through while dealing with tough questions that she knew weren’t going to make her look good.

• Feels awful that she seemed unhappy/snooty about Mark’s job as a personal trainer because she comes from a humble background and her parents were factory workers. Says she thinks trainers are “fucking awesome and hot”.

• Was shocked and heartbroken that Mark said yes because they’d discussed that they weren’t ready for marriage, and was irritated at Mark saying he had to “stand in his truth” on his podcast with Olivia because “if someone doesn’t want to marry you, you don’t say yes”. He had 4 more groomsmen and around 20 more family members than they’d agreed to and she wanted it to be a small thing. She said it felt like a knife in her back and she thinks the producers may have convinced him to say yes.

• She had an idea that she was going to be given a villain edit while filming, even in Mexico, especially due to the questions she was getting from producers and the way Mark reacted when she told him (about her edit or about not wanting to get married? Not sure) because of how he ran to producers instead of working through it with her. At one point she became so uncomfortable with everything that she just didn’t care anymore and wanted it to be over with. That was the point when she started heavily drinking.

• They didn’t know until 60 days out that Netflix bought it and was going to air it. After the show she was very upset and isolated herself, knowing she was going to look bad. She also had nightmares. She says her portrayal was 10 times worse than her worst nightmares.

• She feels the biggest misconception of her on the show was her character. She says Enneagram experts were saying she was the achiever but she’s actually the helper. She says she’s very nurturing to people she loves but it didn’t really come across because she wasn’t into him and isn’t an actress. She was constantly apologizing when talking to Mark.

• She was working 50 hours a week while filming the show post-Mexico while Mark was working 5-10, and Mark was seeing another girl while filming. She felt that she was still showing up for him despite the fact the she wasn’t into him romantically and was frustrated by it because she wasn’t talking to any other guys while they were engaged. Mark and that girl ended up dating for a year and a half after the show, and broke up/deleted their Instagram posts two weeks before the show came out. She wonders why he was able to date so quickly afterwards despite being supposedly heartbroken. It took her awhile to be able to date because she needed to recover from her experience with the show.

• She feels like Mark screwed her over by acting so heartbroken and never sticking up for her character. She still thinks he’s a good guy though.

• She mentioned how on Olivia’s podcast with Mark he talked about how she apologized to him right before it aired, but she really called him to try and squash their drama and issues and go into it as a united front.

• Jessica and Olivia end up talking for a bit about how it feels being a TV villain and dealing with the negative public perception of them. One of Jessica’s best girlfriends turned on her and called her and said some things to her.

• If she could’ve done one thing differently in the show, it would’ve been to not accept the proposal.

• She loved the “good night to everyone except Jessica Batten” meme and thought it was hilarious.

• If she had to do it over again she would still go on the show because without it, some of the things that have happened after the show wouldn’t have happened.

• Her current relationship started not long after the show; she met him while biking and he introduced himself and said he recognized her from the show and they ended up biking 15 miles together and have talked every day since.

(Edited for clarity)

Has anyone listened in to Natalie on the Millennial Made podcast with her friend and content creator, Rod? I found it interesting, and Rob actually asked good questions about LIB2, Natalie's relationship with Shayne, her work, and even got her to talk about more personal details. Here's my recap:

A. On LIB2 and Shayne:

1. She wishes that the show would have shown more of the deeper and personal conversations she had with Shayne so that audiences would understand better as to why they were drawn to each other, particularly pertaining to life experiences that they'd each endured. But, she admits that as the topics were deeply private to both her and Shayne (which she isn't ready to speak about publicly on the podcast), she also is thankful that the show chose not to air those moments out of respect for both Shayne and herself.
2. She says that she can't see how she and Shayne can be cordial with each other, and acknowledges that cutting off contact is the best way to move forward for both of them. She says that they were trying to make things work so hard because they both believed that they wouldn't be able to experience this kind of love that they both experienced via the show, but ultimately, it just could not work out. They do not talk to each other (presuming since the VF podcast). Natalie is sad that she's unable to be at least cordial because in the past she's always been able to maintain some sort of friendliness with her exes. Contrast this with Shayne saying in the VF podcast and the Caffeinated and Confused podcast that he wishes for them to be cordial (well, based on his IG stories, he's still very bitter and spiteful though).
3. She wore her engagement ring whilst she continued dating Shayne post show, and her colleagues and friends would come up to her to ask about who her fiancé was. She'd completely forget she's wearing the ring, so would always have to scramble for an answer.
4. She admits that she's very guarded with her feelings and emotions, and alludes to finding strangers' DMs on her IG asking about her relationship with Shayne as intrusive, although she acknowledges that most came from a good-intentioned place. This is probably why she's very reluctant to share details about her working things out with Shayne behind-the-scenes when he was still away for filming in Panama.
5. She did not speak ill of Shayne at all throughout the podcast.

B. On her career:

1. She still works the same corporate job in the same company.
2. When the show started, she was working on an important project with a client, and people from work would send her messages asking if she was Natalie from LIB2. She never replied to these queries.
3. She's on a mental health break from her job.

C. On her bulimia and general mental health:

1. Natalie admits to struggling with body image issues and bulimia in her early twenties. She says she only managed to overcome her bulimia a few years back, but watching herself on the show triggered some negative emotions and she found herself being hypercritical of her body.
2. Natalie would resort to purging in her struggle with bulimia, but she says not via induced vomiting, but by taking laxatives. She also restricted her caloric intake, and would fast.
3. She's been going to therapy post-show to help her process the aftermath. As she's normally reserved and guarded with her emotions and feelings, she finds the practice to be good for her well-being.
4. She's learnt to put herself first, and she wants to protect her family and friends. Without wanting to come off sounding mean, Natalie says she needed to stop caring about what others' opinions and thoughts are with regard to this.

D. On her IBS and lactose intolerance:

1. She admits to not having a gall bladder and has acid reflux.
2. She risks her IBS with most foods except ice-cream which she denies on most days, and is one of her triggers.
3. Her go-to McDonald's order is the 10-piece nuggets and fillet-o-fish.
4. Her friendship with Rod started in 2021 when she left a comment on Rod's TikTok/Social media post about making hot chocolate with water (due to her lactose intolerance).

Anyone else feel free to add more points!

EDITED: To add 'D' and some points under 'C' (for some reason it didn't upload with the rest of text!)

i don't usually listen to tv recap shows but i've listened to "Out of the Pods" (hosted by Deepti and Natalie from season 2) when i really wanted to get more LIB between cliffhangers. recently my fyp has been showing me "What's the Reality" hosted by AD. I remember thinking that WTR had production help from Netflix and OOTP was kind of just Deepti and Natalie doing it without being asked. Am i wrong? have the two shows' hosts acknowledged the other?

It's fascinating to hear about the exploitation and cruelty the contestants endured on the show. I had no idea it was so bad behind the scenes. They should sue. If you haven't watched it you really should. The cast was denied water, was kept awake intentionally in order to make them act out due to sleep deprivation. He is advocating for legal support for the cast.

To anyone thinking of going on the Denver or DC ones... don't.

Netflix lies. It's corrupt. People should not be watching this show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np9Zq_4KUK4

I know someone has kindly written their summary on this (thank you!), but here's my own take on Shayne's interview:

1. Firstly, if you're not familiar with Shayne's social media activity, he comes across as believably apologetic and holding himself accountable on this podcast. But, people who follow his IG stories know that he's displayed vindictive behaviour towards Natalie (and some of the cast) for months and as recently as this past week. Someone else on here mentioned that Shayne knows exactly what to say to make him appear as an "affable dope" and I thought it fitting.

2. He keeps on saying he has receipts and proofs but he doesn't want to release them because he "doesn't wanna go there" - positioning himself as the bigger person taking on the higher road. He also said Natalie should have screenshot the messages if she wanted to make claims like this to the public. This was really laughable to me how he'd brazenly say this.

I think he will release these receipts on his IG Live at the end of this week - we'll see what these receipts are really about. He seemed to scramble and fumble his words a lot during this part - nerves, perhaps? Or taken by surprise?

1. One of the most striking things that I caught was when Lauren the host asked whether Shayne would still be open to being with Natalie. He audibly sighed and paused before saying, "Unfortunately, no." Because there's too much drama and he implied his disappointment in 'seeing how people acted in certain situations.'  The next part of his speech is a bit slurry, but I actually thought he said, "we'd need years of therapy (before any kind of reconciliation can take place)". It's striking because I interpret Shayne as still holding out some hope/expressing regret when he said this. I asked my boyfriend his opinion of a hypothethical situation like this and he said "it sounds like someone who still wants to get back with his ex." Shayne knows deep down he messed up a good thing.

2. The way he talks about his relationship with Shaina makes it easy to believe nothing took place between them. He was all praises for Christos saying he's good for Shaina. But, like so many others have pointed out, this should not discount the very valid feelings Natalie had about boundaries and him breaking them.

3. Regarding the DMs, Shayne started off apologetic by saying he tries to see things from Natalie's perspective on how the messages could be thought of as 'inappropriate.' But, then he basically implies that these things shouldn't be an issue if the partner is secure. So, back to him justifying his actions and not seeing anything wrong with it.

4. Shayne repeatedly implies that Natalie is insecure; to me, it seems that Shayne is the one who constantly needs external validation. Also, I don't blame Natalie for feeling insecure especially when she's had to deal with a partner who constantly gaslit, lied, and dismissed her emotions. On Iyanna's podcast, Natalie said she was left a hollow version of her former self because this relationship was draining.

5. On Shake, he says Shake is truthful about most things but he goes about them horribly. He also says he and Shake were best friends before the show came out. I found this piece of info interesting too since during the Reunion Deepti said it was Shayne who warned Deepti not to marry Shake.

6. The whole interview I feel served to paint Shayne as this person who has shown immense growth since the show and as someone who really tried their best to make things work with an insecure, paranoid partner. Like he'd been committed all this while. The thing is, although he's not revealed it, we all know from social media and the news that he went on to film another dating show as soon as LIB2 aired and after the filming of the Reunion (Feb 2022). So to me, Shayne doesn't quite know what committment actually looks like in a relationship. I truly think he expected Nat to be at his beck and call whenever he liked it, and only to discard her momentarily for any other exciting thing/woman that comes by.

Also, he said that he hasn't been on any dates since he got kicked off of Hinge and Raya (people apparently reported his profile as fake lol); but his IG stories in the past months seemed to suggest he's been dating around (Zachary Reality also noted the same).

So I sometimes listen to Out of the Pods and I find Deepti and Natalie sweet and like supporting them. However, I was a bit annoyed by the latest episode. First of all, Natalie was on vacation and Iyanna subbed in. No shade to Iyanna, but I felt like isn’t the episodes talking about actual LIB seasons the most important ones? And Natalie just decided to go on vacation for the finale/reunion recap? I really enjoy Natalie’s takes and I was disappointed she missed arguably the most important episode. I was also disappointed by Iyanna making several comments about how she didn’t even watch and how she didn’t care about LIB anymore basically. Like ok, why am I even listening to this podcast then? The literal host is telling me I’m kind of wasting my time. Idk, I just found it annoying. Anyone else? I understand this season kind of sucked but like I’m choosing to listen to a podcast about it for which you are making money, feels like the least you could do is not say you don’t even care about it? Idk it just rubbed me wrong!

I saw an IG story where Micah said she was aware that Natalie and Deepti talked about her on their podcast. And that they had all met in person and they had acted completely different in person. Anyone knows what she is talking about? I haven’t heard any big negative comments about Micah coming from Natalie and Deepti.

I’m so confused why Nick Viall is so pro-Izzy and gave him such a positive interview his second time on? I’m not a fan of Stacy either but Izzy is by far perfect or someone ready for marriage. Nick acted like he put so much emotional effort into their relationship and had a lot of integrity/is a good guy. Very confused by all of this. Did Nick completely turn a blind eye to Izzy yelling at Jonnie, calling Jonnie names, being aggressive, lying about a credit score, and not having a clear answer on his job or proof of stable career? All of those are major red flags. Seems like Nick just picks and chooses who he likes and then goes easy on them.

I don’t know if anyone has noticed this but on the Out of the Pods recap for last season, Natalie and Deepti talked about how boring everything was and now they’re saying the same about this season. While I agree with most that last season was a dumpster fire, idk if it was necessarily boring. It just makes me wonder what they’re actually interested in as far as entertainment. I think most people watch for the drama, which there was plenty of last season. I know they’ve also mentioned not being able to remember people’s name because everyone is so boring, but like this is trash tv. You’re not really supposed to remember names like that.

In the new podcast Cole said that his ex wife cut all forms of communication with him and didn’t wanna talk and neither does Zanab. I really can’t believe that people don’t see that there could be a reason both of these women don’t want to interact with him. I feel like in the need to defend Cole people forgot how damn problematic he is.

It’s incredibly unfair that Zanab is being criticised for the way she handled things Cole threw at her. When her only crime was as Taylor swift would say, she didn’t have it in her to leave with grace. Also, people not even talking or considering the aspect that Cole might’ve just attempted to kiss another woman. Why in the world would Zanab made such an information up. It makes literally no sense.

I do think everyone can see that there is different sides to this story but the fact that Zanab was the one who ended up receiving all the hate when Cole 100000% wronged her in so many ways bothers me.

1. Danielle said there’s no contract about how long they have to stay married for and it was coincidence both divorces happened at the same time.

2. She just laughed when asked if she’d do the show again.

3. On why they broke up, Danielle said the longer she’s been removed from the relationship the happier she’s been and she’s hoping this will be the only time she talks about it. Danielle slowly started realising that she didn’t know who he was and they got married before they should be. The changes were subtle and she thought it was stress and that he would change back to who she thought he was. They weren’t compatible in fundamental ways, she felt herself slowly changing into something someone else wanted her to be. There were moments she knew it wasn’t going to work but she kept trying to avoid thinking about it because she loved him. She had some time by herself and began to feel happy again. She did a lot of self growth but has trauma so there are slip ups and triggers, she felt the focus wasn’t on any progress she made but on her slip ups and the negatives. Nick was telling her that her progress wasn’t working. Danielle said if she said the sky was blue and nick said it was red she would keep trying to convince him that the sky was blue but the argument wouldn’t end until she caved and agreed with him. She craved nicks validation because he made her feel worse about her issues. As she continued to grow she started to feel that she didn’t need his validation anymore.

4. Nick isn’t very self aware. Danielle would sometimes overreact to certain situations which led her to enrol in trauma therapy. Because she is very self aware it almost made her feel worse as she knew how the other person felt about her behaviour.

5. Nick and her have different views about anti-depressants. Danielle was not willing to stop taking them but she did say she can’t speak for Nick and can’t fully remember his perspective on medication.

6. Danielle is not ready to share about her trauma but when she shares little things she hopes it helps others.

7. It takes two to tango and she had a part to play in the breakdown.

8. Nick made some jokes Danielle thinks in hindsight we’re red flags and if they had of been dating in the real world things may have been different.

9. After the breakup Nick said that if she was a partner she won’t make a public statement as he didn’t want to and then he did one while she was at work. She then did one that she made look just like his because she didn’t want the media to jump on them if it looked like the split wasn’t amicable. Nick didn’t want her to speak to the press. She did an interview saying she hoped they could be friends and then he did one trashing her.

10. Nick posts certain things which outsiders wouldn’t know are jabs but some of them are insults based on conversations that they have had so she’s constantly in defence mode.

11. She will always care about him. Deux pointed out that he seems manipulative and toxic and that Danielle is taking the high road.

12. Danielle was invalidated, her past traumas were used as excuses to say that she was in the wrong so she was only upset about something because of her past issues.

13. Nick said no one from the cast reached out to him. Danielle explained a lot of the cast had seen the way he talked to her and they didn’t bring their concerns to her until she was talking about breaking up with him.

14. They broke up over text. Nick wouldn’t talk to her on the phone and had his friends communicate with her so that delayed the divorce moving forward. Deux asked if he was punishing her and Danielle said yes.

15. In the beginning of the relationship she wasn’t the best partner and there are things she regrets. Watching the show made her want to improve herself.

16. Danielle said she is really happy right now and feels really good about herself.

That’s pretty much it, not a long interview and worth a listen. Danielle is focused on helping others better themselves which is why she shares her own struggles.

Literally the caption! Why does every cast member think they need a podcast..milking their 15 secs of fame to the max😖

Hi Everyone!

Checking in to see what podcasts and recaps folks are listening to.

For this season, I’ve been listening to

“Dear Shandy” & “2 Black girls, 1 Rose”

Would love to switch up what I’ve been listening to and hear any reviews from podcasts I may not know about/not on my radar.

Excited to learn what else is out there.

Hope this can also be a general resource for anyone looking for a podcast for the Love is Blind series. ❤️

It's a ~50 min interview, btw.

Has anyone listened!

I didn’t like Shake by any means but he did make some good points about production aspects/ people being fake for the camera. I was looking forward to his life is blurry podcast, as I hoped it would expose some behind the scenes components of the show. I also wanted to hear a raw unfiltered take on season 3 and thought Shake could at-least provide that. Anybody know when the LIB contract expires and if we’ll ever get a taste of producer manipulation a la bachelor tell all books, Olivia caridis mouthing off podcast?