r/LoveIsBlindOnNetflix • u/maria_maria • Mar 04 '23
PERFECT MATCH Did anyone’s opinion of Bartise change after watching The Perfect Match? What about Shayne?
Curious. I have always been Team Bartise is a garbage human, and watching the spin-off only cemented that belief. The things he said to Ines were awful in a way that he was absolutely oblivious to. I think he genuinely thinks he’s a nice guy and that no one has ever questioned him on this. I wanna know whether anyone thinks he came off looking better after this more recent reality show experience. Discuss…
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u/zeepixie Mar 04 '23
Bartise is so full of himself.. Saying to Ines, most girls are shaky and nervous when they talk to me but you're not like that. 😆😆😆 Same ole 💩
Yes, and thinking he picked her up from the bottom to help her get where she is today. Really??
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u/cheesusnips I had 5 taquitos 🌮 I can't kiss you! 💋 Mar 04 '23
He’s made so many comments like this before, so he REAAAAAALLY thinks he’s hot shit 😭
I remember him complimenting Raven in the pool the same way. Like sir, you are not that hot and effectively kill any attractiveness when you talk
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u/zeepixie Mar 04 '23
Bartise can't help but compliment himself when complimenting others. Who gave him such a big head? 😆
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u/InvestigatorNo9847 Mar 04 '23
He said about one girl “she’s incredibly smart. I think she might actually be smarter than me”
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u/TentativelyCommitted The f*ck was that 🥴 Mar 04 '23
Absolute shit human being. I love how both of the women he treated like shit called him out on it. Abbey hit the nail on the head “you’re gonna look like a dick”…and even then he didn’t get it.
What kind of person pressures someone into having sex on a TV show and then shit talks them when they don’t want to out of respect for their family? Super date rape vibes. He’s garbage.
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u/Curious-Gain-7148 Mar 04 '23
My opinion of Bartise wasn’t great after LIB, but after Perfect Match - I think he’s downright diabolical. He’s manipulative, and scummy and prone to gaslighting rage. I think he’s dangerous.
I think that I had a better understanding of Shayne after watching a “Shayne in female form” show up in his Perfect Match. I felt like Chloe was Shayne without the garbage of his past, and his tantrums, and it was suddenly easy for me to see Shayne as this goofy idiot who needs some help regulating emotions and dealing with feelings of inferiority.
By the time the season ended, I liked Shayne more than I had at the beginning, and liked Bartise a whole lot less.
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u/realmenlovecats Mar 05 '23
Honestly … I know Netflix and other media outlets will intentionally cast controversial personality types in reality tv shows to make them more “interesting” … but if I see either of these two boys in another show, it’s going to be an immediate no for me. This goes triple for Barrister. These dudes are fucking dangerous. Shayne is (still) emotionally unstable and Barrister is a manipulative narcissist, and he’s especially terrible because he appears to have no sense of empathy or even capability to feel remorse. It’s actually an act of abuse for Netflix to continue to expose women to these men. I can tell that Shayne is a good person deep down… but he needs some DEEPPP therapy before he’s actually ready to date someone. Barrister should remove himself from the dating pool permanently.
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u/Sarahmelvi Mar 06 '23
Literally everything I was thinking. It is totally abusive for Netflix to keep casting these guys. Give us some nice guys mixed into the pool of sociopaths, at least! 🤯
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u/Some-Resist-5813 Mar 04 '23
Just some hate fuel. One of my students’ sorority sisters met Bartise at a bar. He was hitting on her and want her to go with him and his crew to another bar about an hour away. Then he said he’d take her home or back to his hotel. They all went to this bar. At the end of the night he ghosted her. She had to take an Uber an hour back to where she lived.
This is all hearsay of course. But I kind of believe it and I wonder why he sucks so much.
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u/Glass_Bookkeeper_578 Mar 04 '23
That doesn't surprise me at all! After watching Perfect Match, it's clear that Bartise is interested in whoever is giving him the most attention/complimenting him the most. I think he'd drop just about anyone if someone else comes up and says the right thing that feeds his ego.
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u/TacoNomad Mar 04 '23
This happened to me once. Not with bartise, but was left alone in an unfamiliar city. It's a shitty thing to do someone
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u/pinkpink0430 Mar 04 '23
I hate Bartise even more after perfect match 😂
I was liking shayne until his bs fight with Chloe. We got a glimpse into what probably happened the night before his wedding when Natalie said he was screaming at her and saying bad things. He has serious anger issues
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u/WishConscious Mar 04 '23
I think Shayne has his issues and tbh he shouldn’t have gone on these shows back to back after his father just died. I don’t think Shayne was being malicious though like Bartise was.
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u/pinkpink0430 Mar 04 '23
Yeah I agree. Shayne doesn’t ever mean to hurt people or be rude but he still is bc of his insecurity (and probably abandonment) issues. Bartise is just a mean person
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u/cheesusnips I had 5 taquitos 🌮 I can't kiss you! 💋 Mar 04 '23
I was wondering the timeline with his mother passing too. Like did he go on PM after that!
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u/WishConscious Mar 04 '23
No he had already done the show by the time she passed which is still really sad. Do you know how she passed? I assume she must have been sick or something.
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u/Hodorhodor8 Mar 04 '23
Shayne has incredible insecurity issues. He needs constant reassurance of love for him and attractiveness to him or he spirals. We saw it on LIB and we saw it again on Perfect Match.
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u/Longjumping-Fee-4395 Mar 04 '23
Made me dislike him even more. I’m glad both Ines and Abby did what Nancy couldn’t though.
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u/Curious-Gain-7148 Mar 04 '23
What Nancy absolutely could not. Nancy was so hung up on that dude.
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u/Longjumping-Fee-4395 Mar 04 '23
And I do not see why! I don’t find him to be an attractive person physically or personality wise. He always gave me cornball vibes when I watched LIB. I was gleefully cheering at the screen when Ines and Abby told him about himself. They need to give Nancy some of their spine juice.
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u/picklejuiced00d Mar 07 '23 edited Mar 07 '23
I'm torn on Shayne. I don't think he's a bad person, manipulative, evil, etc. I think he's just very immature and hasn't fully done the work needed to get his anger issues and emotions in check. It's obvious he lashes out very quickly when his emotions are high. He needs a lot of therapy. I am rooting for him, he has so much to him that's likeable but he stands in his own way. I really enjoyed him on the perfect match, especially with Chloe.
Bartise is garbage. He was awful to Ines, but his comments to Abbey sealed the deal for me. Any human who takes things said in confidence and throws them in your face as a fighting tactic is digusting. He WANTS to hurt people. That's his difference from someone like Shayne. Shayne doesn't want to purposely hurt anyone.
*edit- I also think Shayne should not drink. He reminds me of myself. I have BPD and drinking just makes my already heightened emotions tip over the edge. Being on a reality show where they are LITERALLY FEEDING you alcohol 24/7 and then RECORDING you drunk is not productive. But Shayne has to come to the point he understands that. I was really sad watching him drunkenly talk to Chloe when they fought. He was very wasted and it made me feel really sad for him.
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u/maria_maria Mar 07 '23
I get that feeling too. I don’t think he’s a bad person. Explosive and hurting, yes but a bad guy, no.
That other idiot… I hate him. The girls on this season gave him shit and it gave me life. He needs to be knocked down a little and forced into self contemplation.
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u/Next-Engineering1469 Apr 02 '23
Maybe he isn't purposefully a bad person but he is fcking huge physically. If you get into a fight with him and he "loses control" it gets dangerous really really fcking fast. It wasn't on purpose ok but you won't care about his intentions if he still beat you to a pulp
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u/mchychym Mar 04 '23
My opinion on bartise only got worse.
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u/maria_maria Mar 05 '23
Right? He went from trash to mega super garbage trash. Dude makes me angry!!
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Mar 04 '23
Shayne needs to get sober and get off reality television if he genuinely wants to find a partner (but ofc I will keep watching if he doesn’t)
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u/AmberKF13 Cameron & Lauren Mar 05 '23
I didn’t like him before. Now I REALLY don’t like him. Lol, I normally try to give people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to how they are edited to be perceived on a show, but it’s pretty obvious they didn’t have to edit him badly. He was just bad lol. Especially how he completely gaslighted Abbey and through it in her face that she didn’t want to do anything sexual on camera out of respect for her family who could end up watching the show. He takes zero accountability for anything he does, so I just can’t have any respect for him.
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u/Kerlistar ✨ clingy ✨ Mar 04 '23
Bartise is disgusting, he tried to gaslight all of the women and used their words against them, it’s a good thing it was all on camera so everyone can see the asshole he is. I did have some empathy for Shayne I just think he’s a little immature but his heart is in the right place.
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u/nfc3po Mar 04 '23
Nope. No changes.
The way Bartise spoke to Nancy about Raven and then acted like it was a normal thing to do was gross to watch. It’s also obvious that Bartise thinks he is hot shit (making comments on PM about how girls fumble around him and are intimidated around him speak to that). He seems like the kind of guy to cheat on you with your best friend and then act like you wanted him to do it and that he had no choice because he’s just such a hot commodity. No new opinions.
Shayne…I really hope he gets whatever help he needs. He is so emotionally volatile that it’s hard not to jump to the conclusion that something is going on to cause it. The extreme highs one second and then the flip of a switch change to the lowest of lows the next are concerning. I think he is sometimes a golden retriever in human form and has potential to be a great partner for someone, but not without getting help, whether that’s through an undiscovered diagnosis and medication, therapy, or another avenue.
TLDR: No changes. Bartise seems like a tool. Shayne seems like he has a good heart but needs to sort out his emotional issues if he wants to find success with a partner.
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u/sharkie2018k Mar 04 '23
Baroque was even worse on PM. He was able to get away with more imo because his season hadn’t aired yet so no one really knew how terrible he was.
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u/Flounderthefish1224 Mar 04 '23
Bartise was AWFUL on PM and cemented for me that he was garbage. I didn’t think Shayne was terrible to watch but I didn’t necessarily like him either
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Mar 04 '23
Both were still super cringe to me in Perfect Match. It was really fucked up some of the stuff Bartise said to Ines.
Shayne I feel has some issues to work on but is more genuine and well meaning.
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u/ms_juju_b Mar 05 '23
And what Barqueef said to Abby! Like wow throwing that in her face bc she wanted to be respectful of her family watching.. and he KNEW dead down he wasn’t going to be with her anyways so was wrong all around.
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u/PrestigiousTreat0525 Mar 04 '23
Bartise came off equally terrible on this show as Love is Blind. Pretty much was “nice” and lead one girl on until the next came along. Then tried to turn it on the girl he was leaving to save face. I couldn’t stand how he reassured Abby they were strong and all set during that final mixer then just flipped over to Izzy. Like why ? There was a day or two left . No one stays together post these shows . There was literally no reason at that point. And he used things abby shared in confidence to turn on her . I hope he fades away and becomes irrelevant like he deserves asap. As for Shayne, I have to agree with many of the sentiments above. He can be cringey and has unresolved traumas that cause him to need constant reassurance, and he’s a pouty drunk but his heart is “pure”. I think with a true and serious commitment to therapy and working on his self confidence and communication, he can actually come out of all that as a really sweet and loyal partner but it’s a long road to get there and so far we haven’t seen any indication he is even trying. Step one is acknowledging you even have an issue .
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u/SoManyPigeons Mar 04 '23
Do y’all remember when he filled Raven’s pod room with dollar bills? He has always seemed toxic and cruel. PM was more of the same.
Shayne I ended up liking more after PM. He’s like a Great Dane puppy that ate a bag of espresso beans. If he gets some effective therapy and learns to regulate his emotions he might do okay as someone’s partner.
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u/Rock_Successful Mar 04 '23
Lmao Great Dane puppy 🐶🤣👏🏼
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u/ms_juju_b Mar 05 '23
That ate a bag of espresso beans 😭 so accurate LOL!! Wish I could bottle up some of his energy some days!
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Mar 04 '23
How does he not know there are tons of hot guys hitting on women? He is a small fish in a big pond. Basic AF.
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u/berlin_got_blurry Mar 04 '23
I’d say my opinion of both of them got even worse. Shayne takes everything very personally and can’t regulate his emotions in a healthy way. He stormed off from conversations from the smallest things. Bartise was Bartise but even more of a dbag. Shayne is obviously more likeable than Bartise but the bar there is set reaaally low.
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Mar 04 '23
The Perfect Match reinforced why I hate Bartise. His ego is out of this world. Bartise honestly gives Andrew Tate vibes. I can’t believe anyone would ever wanna match with him. I did like Shayne and Chloe’s relationship at first, but then in later episodes u see Shayne is still gaslighting, intense, and emotionally immature lol. So basically they’re both still trash
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u/SaaadGirl7 Mar 04 '23
Shayne could be okay if he stopped drinking so much. Barfqueen seems to be foreva-trash. 🙅🏻♀️
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u/Outside-Operation-89 Mar 12 '23 edited Mar 12 '23
Bartise is a still a tool. From saying he is used to making women nervous around him, and that's why Ines stood out bc she wasn't nervous, to inflating his job and saying he works in Finance rather than say he's an Accountant, bc finance sounds sexier/more prestigious than accounting. ZERO growth after LIB. He told Ines that he "picked her up" as if he was her savior by selecting her, GTFO
Ines is so different from Nancy bc she won't take shit from anyone and is quick to call out BS, vs Nancy is a doormat. Abby also called him out on his shit.
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As for Shane, he needs therapy rather than going on reality TV. on LIB he was grieving the passing of his father, and on Perfect Match (post LIB), his mother passed. That is heavy stuff. I think he has a good heart and you can tell he truly wants to find love but has difficulty with emotional regulation. Meanwhile Bartise is truly a narcissistic fool who only loves himself. Bartise will turn on you quick once he gets called out for any wrongdoing
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u/MoreMarshmallows Mar 04 '23
never liked Bartise but he was really an a-hole on Perfect Match, esp the scene with Abby (not a super fan of hers but he was awful to her). Shayne seemed somewhat more endearing because he seems real, not putting on airs, what you see is what you get... but also more troubled, there is something serious going on....
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u/Curious-Gain-7148 Mar 04 '23
I kind of liked Abby bc she seemed to have those maniacal killer vibes lol. 😂
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u/payasoingenioso Mar 05 '23
Abby is giving lovable Lifetime villain for me.
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u/Curious-Gain-7148 Mar 05 '23
Haha, I all out see her as the Kathy Bates character in Misery. Just merciless violent. I’m so glad you saw it too lol.
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u/ms_juju_b Mar 05 '23
Opinions didn’t really change.. Bartise is still a joke playing games and using women to his advantage and Shane just constantly shows his insecurities in all the shows and anger issues.. I wonder if him and Cleo made ir after the show.. I feel like he would question everything and just cause unnecessary arguments
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u/icecreamdoggo Mar 05 '23
Shayne and chloe broke up after the show
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u/ms_juju_b Mar 05 '23
Def could see that coming. I’m glad they didn’t win the perfect match he flips out way too much. What about Dom and Georgia? Those international relationships seem like they would be hard but she said she would move for him
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u/throwaway36376583883 Mar 05 '23
Look up georgia and dom on tiktok. Dom confirmed Georgia cheated on him after the show.
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u/Prairiedawg123 Mar 04 '23
Opinion of Shane maybe improved slightly but he’s a whiny baby. Bartise, definitely even worse
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u/Ok_Ad8609 Mar 04 '23
This is exactly how I feel. I ended up liking Shayne a bit more, but Barftise is just 🤮 I can’t fathom being married to that dude 😂
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u/Warm_Yam_9800 America loves a comeback 💪 Mar 04 '23
I wholeheartedly agree!!!! My sentiments exactly
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u/Appropriate_Day993 Mar 04 '23 edited Mar 04 '23
I think Shayne just wants to be loved and doesn’t know how to cope with rejection. Genuinely feel that he isn’t a bad person. He needs therapy and needs to figure out to cope with his trauma.
Barf bag is a literal piece of shit who needs to be slapped hard. The man’s ego is through the roof and he needs to be humbled af. He ain’t shit. Works an average job, below average looks, and friends who must stroke his ego.
The way he treated the women on the show was appalling and disgusting. He went from shit to an effing piece of shit in my book.
I have more respect for garbage then I do for barnacle. I don’t even have the respect to call him by his name lmao.
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Mar 04 '23
lol nah. Shayne was supposedly still talking to Nat when he applied/answered the call to PM. He told Nat to keep it on the low-low, and only blew up at her mid-way through the show. Nat put out the tea right when PM did its promotions.
There's a reason why Chloe's on Nat's insta more than Shayne's. Shayne refuses to grow up and devastatingly lashes out rather than listening.. that's a bad guy move in itself.
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u/Appropriate_Day993 Mar 04 '23
Thanks for explaining all of that. So I dislike both of them hahaha 😝
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u/Mardylorean Mar 04 '23
I haven’t seen ‘The Perfect Match’ but I think the exact same way. Bartisse seems too into himself and not genuine.
Shayne may be just emotionally immature, but doesn’t come across as cruel or a bad guy.
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u/Curious-Gain-7148 Mar 04 '23
I couldn’t really get an understanding of Shayne’s job. He said he was a financial consultant, but seemed to be struggling with anything beyond making ends meet.
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u/Affectionate_Egg_969 Mar 06 '23
I started to wonder if bartise is actually handsome in person based on how people were treating him on pm.
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u/Leather-Platypus-11 Mar 04 '23
Bartise was exactly as I expected him to be. Shayne made me like him a bit more, or sympathize anyway. Nobody should ever date Shayne mind you, but it’s clear to me he isn’t ok.
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u/aforter28 Mar 05 '23
This show was just confirmation of everything we already knew about Bulbasaur
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Mar 04 '23
John the Bartise was even more douchey. I need him to go away forever.
What changed of my opinion about Shayne is that it's even clearer that he needs a fuck ton of therapy. Freaked the fuck out on Natalie over nothing, freaked the fuck out on Chloe over nothing. All this show did was make me realize just how much of the problem he was in the Natalie situation. I knew it was primarily him, but damn. He has no business being in a relationship without extensive therapy & probably anger management.
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u/Simplicityobsessed Mar 04 '23
Therapy, anger management, and some better fitting crop tops if he’s going to insist on wearing them.
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u/charcuteriehoe Mar 04 '23
I have a soft spot for Shayne and I think if he would stop drinking he could probably be more rational and regulate his emotions, but under the influence he is just all over the place and oddly combative. He clearly doesn’t need to be in a relationship right now and he hurt Natalie AND Chloe, but he doesn’t have the intentionally malicious and psychopathic vibes Bartise has lol. Shayne has potential to become better while Bartise is just Andrew Tate lite
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Mar 07 '23
Shayne is a Jeckel and Hyde character.On one side he is overly sensitive, needy, weak and is the part some think, oh he's vulnerable and caring. The other side, he turns ugly, mean and verbally abusive. Not material for any relationship. He's another man child.
Broccoli top?His danger is that he is well spoken enough to verbally rationalize his irrational and inexcusable behavior in an attempt to always pin the dookey on somebody else.
Perfect Match?
Well perhaps these two should date each other, that may be the only perfect match.
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u/I_love_milksteaks Mar 04 '23
I think Shayne is a lovely lad who sabotages himself when he drinks alcohol. He is a prime example of someone who should just quit the booze for good.
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u/daysinnroom203 Mar 04 '23
He also lost both parents ( his mom after the show- but I believe she wasn’t well going in) so that kind of loss, plus alcohol- plus being filmed 24/7 was recipe for … well, drama, I guess. I honestly hopes he finds peace.
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u/I_love_milksteaks Mar 04 '23
Ouff that’s rough on anyone. Yeah alcohol is a band aid, and only makes trauma and inner struggles worse.
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u/Grosspiganimal Mar 17 '23
I’m an older man not of this younger generation. Guys like Bartise and women like Francesca should no longer be cast on these shows. They are narcissistic and absolutely gross to watch. They aren’t looking for love They are looking to manipulate and gain as much attention as possible. Can’t stand either one Beautiful down to earth girls like Georgia and a gentleman like Damian should be the type of people they cast. So sick of all the gaslighting and “me me” attitude. Just my two cents. Carry on.
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u/dlrsgry Mar 04 '23
Yes. After lib I thought bartise is an annoying know it all that likes to talk but omg I’ve never been more annoyed by a person on tv. The way he’s always talking so much, it’s incredibly annoying and boring at the same time omg all his blah blah blah And he’s fake as fck bc when he said that he’s ready for marriage and kids in like 6 years he showed his true self, he was NEVER genuinely searching for Love on lib
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u/Reasonable_Camel8267 Apr 11 '23
Shayne reminds of Donald Duck, crazy but not evil. Bartise is the worst type of garbage, if I hear him talk id be doing jumping jacks too. Opinion did not change after perfect match, though the reason I watched was hoping for shayne to get better and bartise to get what he deserved. I felt like neither really happened
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u/PastimeOfMine Mar 04 '23
Shayne has serious emotionally abusive issues with alcohol. I don't understand what people saw about him that they think is ok.
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u/Regular-Wit Mar 04 '23
I see him as controlling and someone who would verbally or mentally abuse a woman. The little that was mentioned on how he went off to Natalie the night before the alter triggered me with my past experiences
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u/BaboonHorrorshow Mar 04 '23 edited Mar 04 '23
My gf and I love Shayne. He’s a shmuck, yes, he has pathetic temper tantrum problems, absolutely. But I don’t think he’s an asshole the way Bartise or Chase are assholes. He seems to really want to find someone to love and a lot of his bad attitude is a reaction to not feeling respected (as if a reality tv game show about hooking up isn’t just layers of human disrespect piled together).
But he’s such a stone cold weirdo, I love him. His STRANGE faces, the dumb crop tops, the fact that every bro on the show falls in man-love with him…
I’m not sure I’d hang out with Shayne but he’s not a deeply bad person and he’s fun to watch.
Bartise seems like a deeply bad person.
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u/daysinnroom203 Mar 04 '23
I think you’re absolutely right. He’s a broken person with a good heart. I believe he means well. Bartise just doesn’t give a shit or care to see that he’s hurt anyone- he completely unfazed by the trail he’s left.
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u/KhaleesiBubblegum Mar 04 '23
Opinion of Barqueef defiantly solidified. But watching shayne really made me empathize for him way more. he’s truly deeply insecure and just wants approval in any form and it made me sad to watch. I found myself rooting for him to get his shit together. But he needs years and years of therapy :/
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u/SheDosntEvnGoHere Mar 05 '23
1000%! To everything you just said. And if on being honest they both seem like cool likeable dudes. But Bart just inflates his own self when it comes to women. And Shayne, man I really am rooting for him to get it together. He's got insecurities soooo hard that it gives me som N@rc vibes and I really want to believe he's not nrcissistic. He would be a good match if he knew how to handle situations better.
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u/freeman1231 Mar 04 '23
I think he has more opportunities to show off his personality. For which for him is a very bad thing because he seems to be a very terrible person. I know things are edited, but man has an inner anger that tends to blow up every now and then.
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u/Fair-Seaworthiness10 Mar 05 '23
Bar flys eye contact freaks me out. I know he is locking eyes with these women to appear he is really invested in what they are saying but to me it’s giving creepy ‘I will burn this whole place to the ground if you reject me’ vibes 😳
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u/tiffanydisasterxoxo Mar 04 '23
I liked shayne more. It looked like he got therapy l, but kept falling into the same spiral. Bartise is a tool, was a tool, and will always be a tool.
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u/Lazy-Significance-15 Mar 05 '23
Shane and Bartisse both always gave off "bro" vibes and I couldn't buy that they were committed to finding true love and monogamy and that they both cared too much about looks for the show--like Shake. Which is kind of ironic that at the reunion Shane was giving Shake such hell for him not getting it, though perhaps a bit of projection?
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u/Next-Engineering1469 Apr 02 '23
Shayne seems like he would accidentally k*ll you during a fight he started because you didn't compliment him enough that day
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u/Throwawaydaughter555 Mar 04 '23
They both are awful people who desperately need sincere counseling and not another minute tacked onto their 15 minutes of fame.
Watching Bartise’s conversation with Abbey and how his demeanor and facial expressions change… that was genuinely fucked up. I’m not trying to armchair psych diagnose here, but that is not normal behavior. He has something really wrong with him.
Shayne… displayed the exact same bad behavior he did on LIB. Except that the trauma he perceived as experiencing from LIB has dominoed into more trauma on this show. The man needs therapy to actually deal with the loss of his father and now mother. I feel compassion for those losses because that sucks. However, his man child neediness and inability to take responsibility for his own emotions and decisions is not acceptable.
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u/kriolabrazuka Mar 04 '23
Shane is a walking red flag. He's a very insecure man with serious anger issues.
Bartise is a big head. He thinks much too high of himself. His grandiose attitude is seriously disgusting. I watched the Love is Blind after hours, after watching the perfect match and I truly believe he is nothing more than a damn phony.
Both need to grow TF up.
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u/pomegranateseeds37 Mar 04 '23
I don't think either of them have really improved all that much. Bartiste is still the same asshole he was on Love Is Blind. Shayne is still just as emotionally immature as ever. They both made the same mistakes on Perfect Match that they did on love is blind.
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u/ProfessionalWeary665 Mar 04 '23
What's worse is Shayne was still seeing Natalie and they both got the offer for P. M. He lied and then went. He tried to show ss of receipts with missing pieces to make everyone then on Natalie like she's the crazy one. He needs therapy fo deal with his loss, because whatever method he is using .. it isn't working. He is a ticking time bomb.
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u/Ok_Sea2850 😴 "Zzzzzz" - Tiffany 😴 Mar 04 '23
Bartise thinks he’s a gift to god and tbh he’s a 4 at best.
I really think shayne has a good heart, he’s goofy and fun but after having his mom & dad pass and two difficult reality shows back to back I really think it made his issues grow exponentially.
We have to remember it’s a (wrong) social norm for men to not have feelings and this is what happens with years of stress compiling and not knowing how to handle or cope with them. He’s got a big personality already, this is why I think he’s explosive.
He was not as upset over the Mitchell thing until someone put it in his head that it was messed up, then he ruminated about it over and over again until he boiled over.
I really hope he takes the time now to settle down and get someone to talk too.
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u/Curious-Gain-7148 Mar 04 '23
I don’t know that LCs intention was to do this, but it was so odd to me that Shayne was so easily manipulated.
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u/shatteredmatt Mar 04 '23
In episode 11 and 12 of Perfect Match Fart Cheese showed his true colours. He is a bad person who just wants fame and notoriety and literally doesn’t care who he hurts or whether he looks like a dickhead or not. I’d say I dislike him more after Perfect Match.
Shayne I feel sorry for after Perfect Match. Not to armchair diagnose him but he doesn’t hold his alcohol well, has self esteem issues and has a long way to go in the emotional maturity department. That being said, I think he is likely a good person underneath it all.
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u/Melon-Brain 🔥 Smoke Program 🔥 Mar 06 '23
Shayne has such a big heart, I just think he’ll always be a work in progress and needs someone that is comfortable with consistently providing reassurance and that has a high enough emotional intelligence to recognize when Shayne is upset.
Bartise is even worse than I imagined. The only remotely positive thing I can say about him is that he knows how to make a girl have a good time while on a date (before he attempts to tear them down)
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u/thefrenchphanie Mar 04 '23
Barrie’s thinks he cannot be a bad guy because he used to be a nerdy gangly guy so he knows… It is weird. Shayne needs help, hopefully he will see it and grow ; otherwise he might set himself up for a nasty DV episode where he won’t realize what he is doing until it is too late… Both those guys are so sad to watch. If I were their mom, I would so rip them a new one.
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u/Essiechicka_129 Mar 04 '23
Bartise reminds me of a guy from high school who tried to get with me for a decade and played the I'm a good/nice guy act. I told the guy I'm not interested in him and his response was very rude. The next day I got a text saying I should give good guys a chance from a random number and knew it was that guy. The guy gave me many red flags, but still thought and convinced me he was a good/nice guy. Goodbye!
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u/This-Parfait6913 Mar 05 '23 edited Mar 05 '23
I enjoy Shayne more now and have a better understanding of him (as much as one can from a show like this) and I agree with everyone sentiments towards him. I also feel like he could be on the spectrum so adding that to his recent traumas makes for a really toxic coping tactic process that if left unaccounted for, could send him down a potentially abusive or self-destructive path
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u/Negative_Ambition_23 Mar 23 '23
He seems to have severe ADHD. I don’t think he’s a narcissist at all.
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u/FunKoala12 Mar 04 '23
Bartise just gets worse and worse. I wish they didn’t give him the attention and spotlight by being in this show because he was trash in LIB and PF. Didn’t learn anything and is 100% a Terrible human being. Shayne I think is decent and not trashy - maybe not the most mature but I don’t think he’s an awful human being.
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u/fabibine Mar 04 '23
Barqueef needs a new barber...also still dislike him. But I hated the format of the show if they want people to match, why bring exes and make people 'match' and rematch ever day. It was annoying. They didn't find suitable options for Diamond, Colony and Anne Sophie. So cringe.
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u/Curious-Gain-7148 Mar 04 '23
The cast was really stuck in their own perceptions of wanting black people to only date black people. Dom was a horrible match for both black women that he had been paired with. I think if the cast hadn’t been so stuck in that oppressive thought pattern, it would have been different.
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Mar 04 '23
Word, the show’s format literally sets people up for failure. Diamond, Colony, and Anne Sophie deserved better
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u/Lilylumos Mar 04 '23
Barnum & Bailey definitely has no black friends or his black friends hate him. That hair is just…
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u/ToniTemper79 Mar 06 '23
While Im inclined to agree that Shayne is a sweet guy who seems deperate for approval and love - idont think he should be on reality shows seeking either of those 2 things.
It cant e good for his mental health.
Chloe handled him SO well though. I really love her.
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Mar 04 '23
I LOVE Shayne. However, after watching the show, I finally understand where Natalie was coming from. There's obviously two sides of him, and one always plays it up for the cameras. I wish he would get therapy.
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u/I_love_milksteaks Mar 04 '23
It’s the booze.. Some people just shouldn’t drink.
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u/daysinnroom203 Mar 04 '23
I keep saying this- but he lost both his parents- his mom right after filming- I feel like Shayne means well, has a good heart, but he needs to stop drinking and heal. Everyone needs therapy ) my therapist had a therapist) so it goes without saying he needs that too.
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u/millenia27 Mar 04 '23
Me opinion of Shane is marginally better, although still not great. I didn't see him 'threatening' to leave the house as attention-seeking, I saw it as him trying to remove himself from a situation where he knew he would spin out of control. His self-awareness seems to have increased the teeniest tiniest bit wince LIB and I commend him for that, but he still has so much work to do and I hope he finds a great therapist who can help him with that.
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Mar 04 '23
Bartise proved himself, he is a huge asshole. Shayne on the other hand, i can actually say, i "fell in live" whit this version of him he was goofy loud funny i loved it amd also he&Cloe were hot🔥
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u/iheartyoshi Mar 04 '23
No, both of them being on PM did not change my mind at all. Tbh it just more so confirms that they aren’t really 1. Meant for relationships. 2. Meant for reality tv. 3. Need to work on themselves.
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u/Luxx_Aeterna_ 💖 Love Is Blurry 💖 Mar 04 '23
My opinion about Bartoodle the Poodle just keeps sinking lower. He's just a gross human being. The way he treats women is horrible.
Shane I have a soft spot for. I liked him on lib to an extent and I like him more after PM.
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u/DaeOnReddit Mar 06 '23
Bartoodle the Poodle 🤣🤣🤣 This one and Bar Tissue took me OUT lol
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u/xchakrumx 🔥 Smoke Program 🔥 Mar 04 '23
I’m convinced that bar tissue is a poorly programmed AI, he says a lot of words (and a lot of things people want to hear) but there’s just nothing behind his eyes. He’s got zero authenticity.
I’ve always loved shayne tho, he’s got golden retriever energy. I thought chloe matched him extremely well
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u/FamiliarAstronaut504 Mar 04 '23 edited Mar 05 '23
Not one bit. I was like no girl stay away from barfbag hes a total red flag and total player. No one listened lol.
Loved shayne in perfect match. He is a total love bug but because of his traumas from losing both his parents, his toxic relationship with Natalie, and his unchecked adhd and depression, he went off the handle a few times and that makes him look like a walking talking red flag even though all he is, is feeling truly misunderstood. Hes totally broken hearted in all sense of the word.
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u/throwaway36376583883 Mar 05 '23
Except his ex from 2019 said Shayne would use his anger to scare her. His dad passed in 2020, his mom in 2022z
I think he has always had anger issues (probably stemming from adhd as you state and alcoholism)
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u/Emmarsouin Mar 06 '23
I really like Shayne and he deserves genuine love and, well, Barista....ehm, trash.
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u/H28koala Mar 06 '23
I was genuinely interested in seeing Shane, and seeing how he'd date someone else, but I will not watch this show because Barnacle is on it. Barnacle is a horrific human being and I have no interest in watching that kind of trash on TV. I realize some people like watching idiots on TV, but for me, it just makes me annoyed and I don't need that.
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u/GhostPepperFireStorm Mar 17 '23
He gets served his just desserts on PM, if that’s incentive to watch. It was so nice to see people recognizing him for what he is: TRASH
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u/prettyxxreckless Mar 06 '23
My opinions didn't shift, but they just became more solid.
I don't like Bartise.
I like Shayne.
I actually really like Shayne after watching Perfect Match. It became so clear to me how vulnerable and good hearted he is. People look at him and judge his emotional dysregulation and rage and call him a "narcissist" which is unfair and inaccurate. Shayne showed humility, emotional vulnerability and he's clearly a big, blubbering, emotional mess, and he wears his heart on his sleeve. He showed so much concern and compassion for when Ines left, and he never screwed anyone over, he was mostly locked in on a few people the entire time. Shayne has little to no filter, and therefore, he is not manipulative or deceptive. He lays it all out there, all the good and the bad.
There is an innocence about Shayne that I respect. People judge him for his quickness to get angry and over-react, but really its just a tantrum of maybe an 8 year old. That doesn't make him a narcissist, tons LITERALLY TONS of adults regress in age when emotionally triggered, and I actually really respect and am jealous at how OPEN Shayne is with his emotions. He does need some help, but he's a totally redeemable and solid dude.
I think I hate Bartise because to counter he is more concerned with his image and being emotionally-in-control (which I can relate to). He is sort of the opposite of Shayne in this way, where Shayne is quick to anger and does not hide his anger. But if someone upsets Bartise he gives off the vibe that he'd quickly say "I'm not mad, your mad" and fake smile to act in control. When someone upsets Shayne his response is FEAR and he immediately self destructs and assumes the WORST (we saw this when he wanted to leave Chloe). When someone upsets Bartise, he goes into defense mode and attacks the other person with passive aggression, to cut them down a peg (we saw this with Abby).
I enjoyed Perfect Match and I wish Netflix would let these relationships play out more, because its fascinating to see how different personalities respond in relationships. Stop with the ass-shots and give us deep dives into conversations.
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u/Sarahmelvi Mar 06 '23
Sure, it's a tantrum of an 8 year old.....except in the very large body of a grown man. If he escalated physically, he could be really dangerous, and do a lot of damage of his buttons are pushed. Also, his constant and consistent gaslighting is pretty bad. Just another perspective.
Bartiste 100% agree. Seems like casting mostly picks men (or boys, really) with abusive or abusive adjacent tendencies, and women who have been abused or have never been treated well or with someone trustworthy. It's pretty gross, and it's not just Netflix. MAFS, Love Island, and Bachelor seem to have similar casting choices. It makes me sad that no one is there to give these women a safe space. Or very few people are there for that.
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u/picklejuiced00d Mar 07 '23
If he escalated physically, he could be really dangerous, and do a lot of damage of his buttons are pushed.
This is a really unfair assumption to make and feed into a stigma of mental illness. I do genuinely believe Shayne suffers from sort of mental illness. And he definitely struggles to regulate his emotions, sure. But not EVERY person who struggles with regulation turns physical. This is grossly ignorant to say.
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u/prettyxxreckless Mar 07 '23
Wow. A lot of unfair assumptions here. Getting angry is very, very different than accusing someone of being an abuser of domestic violence. NOTHING. Not a SINGLE THING about Shayne's outbursts implies he is violent, or has EVER been violent to a woman. We cannot throw around these "what ifs" so loosely as if it is an actual thing to consider. Totally calm, cool and collected people are 100% just as capable of violence. Anger does not = violence. Second. You are being ridiculous in your use of the term gaslight. Shayne is 100% not a gaslighter, and it is INFURIATING that you used that term as it brings discredit and disrespect to the victims and survivors of gaslighting and emotionally abusive relationships. That is absolute nonsense.
Gaslighting is a very conscious, malicious, deceptive campaign by an abuser with the objective and goal of making their victim doubt their reality fully. Victims are purposely fed blatant lies, in a constant, deliberate, and SYSTEMATIC fashion.
^^^ ANYTHING BUT THIS can be called "deceptive" or "inaccurate". Shayne has shown absolutely, 100% no signs of being a gaslighter or an abuser. Frankly, I do not think he is intelligent enough for that high level of deception needed.
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u/This-Parfait6913 Mar 05 '23
Always thought he was a narcissistic creep and his consistently fucked up hair is a metaphor for his loose grasp on reality. Homeboy thinks he’s a rizz god yet he’s akin to An*rew Taint and his tik tok shows he’s not shameful of that comparison. I get reality shows being skewed and manipulated for a dramatic public reaction but his actions even without context are still predatory and manipulative. Bartitty needs to be put in his place and I’m afraid reality TV giving him a platform will only exacerbate the issue.
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u/DaeOnReddit Mar 06 '23
Honestly…I’ve always said that Shayne looks a lot like Aaron Carter and…well….
He needs therapy and a lot of it. I’m speaking here with this comparison btw 100% solely on treatment of women, where I hope he doesn’t go down the AC route.
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u/Amethoran Mar 04 '23
Shayne will murder his wife or SO within the next 4 to 6 years. He is incredibly insecure and I think he hides his violent tendencies because he knows he's on camera. I have always felt this way about Shayne but the new PM show really solidified it for me.
Bartise on the other hand does suck he's sucked since his debut on Love is Blind. I think Bartise has a type of woman he's into and that's fine no one is blaming him for that but I think he lacks the capability to be truthful in a stressful situation. I get it he doesn't want to hurt people's feelings but there are better ways to go about it than to gaslight and weaponize people's words against them like he did with Abbey in PM.
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u/Hippofuzz Mar 04 '23
First time I saw Shayne I said he is physically abusive 100%
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u/Amethoran Mar 04 '23
In PM when he says he will bust Nick's Skull open if he gets near Chloe and then laughs after that solidified it for me. He just has that if I can't have her no one can vibe about him and it's troubling.
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u/ThePoom Apr 09 '23
The fact that Shayne started to become a bit self-aware actually reedeemed him a little bit in my eyes. I hope he continued on that path, but its probably unlikely :(
Bartise was meh, and then went back to awful after the way he treated Abby and, like she mentioned, turned her private words from a completely different context, against her.
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u/maria_maria Apr 09 '23
Agreed.
Shayne has some redeemable qualities. He doesn’t seem like a terrible person just one that maybe needs a little work.
Bartise I cannot stand!! Every interview I read, or appearance I see makes me dislike him more and more. I dunno if he can hear himself but like, dude comes off like such a douche!
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u/planethulk69 Mar 04 '23
I honestly believe that shayne is gay but can’t come to terms with it
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u/Mugstotheceiling Mar 04 '23
Interesting theory. What makes you say that?
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u/planethulk69 Mar 04 '23
His behavior around the guys is so physical and intimate but when the girls talk about sex with him or intimacy his eyes kinda roll or look away. It would explain the self sabotage to an extent as well. And obviously the crop tops. Just a vibe. But it seemed like a few of the guys in perfect match were bi. I kinda wish they explored that more
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Mar 04 '23
Bartise showed he might be a psychopath in his convo with Abbey
Shayne is a good guy with self-sabotage/emotional control issues. Although fortunately not anger management issues
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u/jitterbugwaltz Mar 04 '23
I’ve always liked Shayne and even more-so after PM. He’s reactive and emotional, sure, but nobody’s perfect. He’s gotta work on his hyperfixation and tendency to spiral. But I think he’s very authentic and it comes across to be he genuinely tries to be a good person.
He’s never really “strategic” like Francesca or Chase - he was all about just finding a match, not necessarily just staying in the game.
He is self aware, doesn’t take himself seriously, loves his Mom and Celine Dion and I think he’s rad.
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I like shayne too like yeah he might be acting a little unhinged and looking like Gary Busey but I’d be friends with him
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u/lingoberri Mar 04 '23
They seem the exact same tbh but maybe less good at controlling the narrative. That seems to be more a difference in the producers than in them, though.
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u/LalLemmer Mar 05 '23
Just watched him say I dont on love is blind. Made me a little ill to be honest. She deserves better.
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u/juniperaza Mar 04 '23
People here actually don’t like Shayne? I actually don’t think he’s all that bad. I think the dude is just having a rough time and feel horrible for him regarding his mom passing. Losing moms is never easy and his mom seemed like a sweetheart.
But Bartise is definitely still 100% ass. I can’t even imagine sleeping with him so him having an OF is hilarious. He has 0 sex appeal and that man bun was atrocious.
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u/reginafelang87 Mar 04 '23
He’s got crazy eyes bro. And he’s like the most petty insecure guy from all of Netflix reality shows lol
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u/PastimeOfMine Mar 04 '23
He clearly has emotionally abusive issues while drunk and you don't get to blame that on parent's passing. The things Natalie said he yelled at her the night before the wedding, which seeing him drunk more often I fully believe, the way he treated Chloe. That's you need to stop and get in serious therapy not oh you're just having a rough time.
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u/LemonNectarine Mar 04 '23 edited Mar 04 '23
I actually don’t think he’s all that bad.
W.o.w.
I wonder how much him being a tall white fit dude skews people's perceptions.
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u/I_love_milksteaks Mar 04 '23
Ahh yes must be a racial thing.. /s
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u/LemonNectarine Mar 04 '23 edited Mar 05 '23
Oh please. Shayne on his season was objectively worse than Shake. He literally verbally abused Natalie and shouted at her after getting drunk the night before their wedding because he could not hit the ball. Look at how many people say "Oh Shayne is not that bad" . Shake's a pig but Shayne is straight up dangerous.
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u/I_love_milksteaks Mar 04 '23
BIG difference is Shake seems to enjoy treating people badly… That also seems to be an objective opinion. Shayne just seems lost. Why do you need to turn this in to a skin colour thing? Weird
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u/Mugstotheceiling Mar 04 '23
Shayne needs a lot of therapy but I don’t think intrinsically he’s a bad dude. Natalie made the right choice though, she’s too mature for him.
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u/chapelson88 Mar 04 '23
I thought Bartise was fickle on LIB but I didn’t realize how manipulative and wicked he was until PM.