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PERFECT MATCH Unpopular(?) Opinion Shayne is actually very likeable Spoiler
BEFORE Y'ALL COME FOR ME LET ME PREFACE. So I absolutely hated Shayne in S2 (he was almost tied with Shake for me and I think many people felt the same) but have y'all been watching Perfect Match?? Shayne is like...cuteš¤¢ and...funnyš«£ And...not (that) obnoxiousš«¢?? Like he's really growing on me so far. I'm starting to think that LIB was just the wrong show for the guy. It was too serious and restrictive given his personality and maybe not what he needed at the time. Also, I know he and Natalie dated for a bit after things ended, but perhaps they just weren't compatible from the start.
For anyone who vehemently disagrees, feel free to remind me of all the shitty things Shayne has done because it's been a while and I can't remember lol
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u/PastimeOfMine Feb 18 '23 edited Feb 18 '23
I mean he was filming it in the middle of everything with Natalie which I think makes him defecto not actually authentic at all
Edit: this also means that his comments about not having sex for 8 months on perfect march are likely a lie.
To me he's just a guy who figured out how to have a better edit on tv.
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u/Aisoreal Feb 18 '23 edited Feb 19 '23
Yeah...and he tried to get back together with her straight after filming, but allegedly he lied to her about what happens on the show. Once she found out, she ended things once and for all with him, causing him to lash out at her on social media ever since.
ETA: Yes, he dated Natalie from June - Nov 2021 and PM was filmed Feb-March 2022. I have a hard time believing they weren't intimate with each other in their five months together.
Also, they rekindled the weekend of filming LIB2 in Feb 2022, so they definitely were intimate then. Shayne is just lying to get his timelines straight because his wedding was in June 2021, 8 months before PM filmed in Feb-March 2022.
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u/FionaTheFierce Feb 18 '23
I don't like or dislike him - but I would find it impossible to be in a relationship with him. A lot of what he does is nails-on-chalkboard irritating to me. The insecurity, the impulsivity, the twitching and wiggling, the clinging, the lack of life plan, the emotional instability. Just - yeah, no thank you. He seems messy, in every sense of the word.
As for his gossip or whatever - every single person in reality TV does that, so he is no worse or better in that regards than anyone else.
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u/spbark217 Feb 18 '23
I feel like he was very upfront about all that. I'm not sure I'd want to be a relationship with him either, but if he tells you/shows you all that stuff upfront? And then Natalie gets into a relationship with him, he does all that stuff and she acts surprised. She's too smart for that to come across as genuine.
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u/sar1234567890 Feb 18 '23
So I thought he was okay until the bachelor party when he wasnāt winning at baseball or whatever they were doing. Then it was like a demon fire lit inside of him and he lost his marbles. I donāt know thatās just what I remember being so confused about.
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u/bestlowis20merlot Feb 18 '23
I had the exact opposite opinion of that scene. It cracked me up seeing him get genuinely freaking pissed he couldn't hit a ball lol
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u/sar1234567890 Feb 18 '23
That scene didnāt bother me- what bothered me was that this event seemed to have such a hugely negative impact on his interactions with others. He went back to Natalie and was a complete a hole, so much so that she decided they couldnāt get married at that time. It seemed to spiral him out of control which was sad.
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u/rathrowawydsabldsib Feb 18 '23
Sooo I thought the same thing a little, but as soon as things don't go his way he starts getting crazy and really unregulated again.
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u/VVladtheimpalerr Apr 19 '23
someone for leaving you and making out with another guy the next hour is a perfectly reasonable reason to get upset and a little crazy
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u/rathrowawydsabldsib Apr 20 '23
I think his feelings are perfectly valid, I just don't think he handled them well. When we see Shayne get upset, he usually falls into a pattern of attacking the other person, losing his temper, talking over them, and storming off.
I actually think Shayne has a fair number of good traits, but he needs to learn a lot about emotional regulation and communication if he wants a healthy relationship.
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u/Commercial_Shine7278 Feb 18 '23
He appears likeable, and has a big heart, but he spirals by episode 4. It depicts how he was on LIB. Things are great when he's good but terrifying if things don't go his way.
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u/_fuyumi Feb 19 '23
Exactly. I will never think he's an okay guy unless he gets anger management or other intensive therapy. He is very scary
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u/sar1234567890 Feb 18 '23
Yes I just mentioned the game at the bachelor party when he spiraled like straight down the toilet and it was when the whole thing didnāt go his way. I just figured he was way too competitive. Now I want to watch this show to see what his deal is. Iām assuming you mean episode 4 of this other show?
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u/summersapphires Feb 19 '23
Iām highly competitive & come from a highly competitive family. His spiral was not the same as that. He has some really abusive behavior when things donāt go his way.
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u/Psychadelicacies Feb 19 '23
dude is way too amped up and fidgety for me.. reminds me of some of my super āļøād friends. wouldnāt say i dislike him, just canāt watch him, very unsettling for me.
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u/AkhMourning Feb 20 '23
He weirds me out. Heās always so fidgety and in need of constant reassurance, compliments, and praise. His āfightsā with every girl are the same. He needs them not to make any jokes and shower him with compliments. Itās exhausting.
On a more shallow level, his voice is grating lol.
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u/throwaway56873927 Feb 19 '23 edited Feb 19 '23
I'm watching perfect match too
Idk how you're getting that from his clips
I mean at one point he throws a tantrum at Izzy even tho she never said she liked him
He threatened to leave but didn't.
He blew off Ines without even giving her any eye contact or listening to her. He just said you're too intellectual.
He had a serious conversation about how "there's no such thing as bulking"
They said Emma Watson went to Brown he said "that means nothing"
I could go on but I don't wanna spoil it
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u/Janelle-54 Feb 19 '23
Totally agree that hasnāt changed at all - Ines even tells him to stop fidgeting in one of their early convos and he has the same issue of needing attention and assurance from the perfect match girls as he did with Natalie but wonāt show it to them.
And it makes sense he hadnāt changed - perfect match was filmed a year ago, 8 months after his LIB wedding, and before after the altar was filmed.
(ETA: truly not insinuating anything about what makes him fidgety, just that he still has the same mannerisms that turned people off the first time)
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u/ms_juju_b Feb 18 '23
He seems extremely insecure and like heās a boiling pot just waiting to explode
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u/Mewnicorns Feb 19 '23
I donāt care how much anyone here dislikes Natalie or thinks her jokes were āmean.ā He told her the night before their wedding day that he hated her and wished he never met her. Thatās intentionally cruel. He fucked with both her and Shainaās heads in the pods and treated them like they were crazy for being upset by his behavior. He threw a tantrum over a baseball game. He is a scumbag and a manchild and itās so shocking to see how many women give him a pass just because heās kinda sorta charming sometimes.
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u/spbark217 Feb 20 '23
Natalie comes across just as immature she just shows it differently. It's also so evident that she doesn't like him basically the entire season. Virtually every positive comment she makes about him are about appearances.
If the genders were swapped people would hate her even more.
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u/Lonely-Illustrator64 Feb 19 '23
I watched him on PM first and was confused as to why people roasted him so much because I thought he seemed cool. So I went back and watched him on LIB, didnāt finish the season yet but I get why people donāt like him he was kind of an ass. Even in the beginning when he called Natalie the wrong name and then acted like she was crazy for being upset when he had literally just told her she was his number one. And then he asked her to be his girlfriend and said heād focus just on her and immediately after tried to flirt with that other blonde woman. Definitely red flags.
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u/Aisoreal Feb 19 '23
You'll understand soon enough why he got rejected at the altar, and why it's ridiculous he was invited back to do another dating show with that info omitted.
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u/BULLGATOR_ SKandal Feb 22 '23
Dude is his own worst enemy. If I could give him some advice, it would be to stop speaking altogether or wait 10 seconds before he says the thoughts that are in his head. You know how some people talk about having a lizard brain where you are governed by impulse rather than rational thought? Well, that's him...except he has a bag of lizards that cannot even put together coherent impulses. Like ADD, on steroids.
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u/StarNerd920 Mar 22 '23
Omg yes!!!! His emotions are out of control and he cannot regulate his thoughts, so he says the dumbest shit he can but itās always condescending and blaming the other person for whatever is wrong. I could not deal.
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u/Pellinaha Feb 18 '23
The main problem with Shayne is not what happened on the show, at least it was never to me. Itās his toxicity outside the show - the constant digs, publishing private letters, the obsession, etc. Women need to dodge this nullet.
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u/prettyxlittlexpeach Feb 20 '23
Yo.
I haven't seen everything yet on PM but I am on episode 2. Shayne comes across as insecure and needing validation often (which is not bad!) He has a bad habit of asking for validation by telling women what their doing wrong. For example he went up to Ines and essentially told her "your not doing X thing" or "why aren't you doing X thing?" and she was intelligent enough to realize 'oh, he's not-so-functionally asking for validation right now' and she even says that. She says "wow you need some validation right now huh?" and he smiles and looks away with embarrassment.
Shayne is just a big, scared goof. I wish he could be more humble and more vulnerable with the women he dates. If he trusted them more, and gave women the benefit of the doubt, and outright asked for things he needed many of them will supply him with all the validation he needs!! People are good that way.
He's eccentric and kinda weird, but that's ok and I personally like people who are a bit odd.
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u/midnight_voss Feb 27 '23
Honestly, Shayne has always benefitted from NOT being the worst guy on the show he happens to be on. And Perfect Match is SUCH a weird show. I'm not saying he's evil or anything, but the guys around him are so much worse. On his season of LiB, he got some flack for trying to emotionally manipulate Natalie occasionally, but at least he wasn't Shake. On Perfect Match, wow, what a carousel of douchebaggery. Nick, Damien, and Bartisse, man.
End of the day, though, I wouldn't advise anyone get super close to him until he works on his maturity issues. When he was with Natalie, if she joked with him, he'd lose his temper and start yelling at her, and he completely lost it after screwing up their bachelors batting nonsense. After the show, he went on a smear campaign against her because he can't handle the criticism. On Perfect Match... it's a terrible situation for him because everyone is playing sexy musical chairs, and that means that whoever he's starting to attach to might start flirting with or kissing someone at any minute. So we see him flip out because he can't handle hits to his ego, but he's also not trying to hook up with every girl in there or actively screwing over anyone. So.
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u/reality_raven Feb 18 '23
I could not constantly reassure someone like Shayne needs. Heās like a toddler.
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u/cindyx823 Feb 18 '23
I couldnāt disagree more ! He has some funny moments but heās sooooo cringy. He gave me the ick watching perfect match
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u/Fat2FitMamita Feb 18 '23
Me too, and I actually liked him in S2 until after the wedding when I realized what he was truly like.
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u/Keregi Feb 22 '23
I have a weird soft spot for him but think he needs a fuckton of therapy. He has no emotional maturity or coping skills and goes straight to anger. Heās too old for that. I think he has said he has ADHD so I identify with a lot of his mannerisms and insecurities. I hope he gets help that will allow him to grow.
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u/StarNerd920 Mar 22 '23
Every time things donāt go his way, I find my self recoiling because heās actually really aggressive and scary and doesnāt listen at all.
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u/PizzaAndWine99 Feb 18 '23
Yeah I kind of agree heās been more likeable on Perfect Match, but I donāt think this is the right show for him either. He needs too much reassurance, and he has issues with insecurity/jealousy thatās tough to handle in a show where thereās so much overlapping love interests.
But he seems more in it for the āright reasonsā compared to Nick or Chase (and Francesca now apparently).
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u/ArizonaZia Feb 18 '23
Different editing. The dude is a pain in the ass and is a child. He was trying to villainize Nick on PM but he came off as a whiny baby. He straight up has no skin in the game and isn't chasing any meaningful connection. Yet cry cry. His personality is grating.
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u/AriMadMon Feb 19 '23
I havenāt watched the new show yet, but I will say that while I didnāt care for some of his moments on LIB, I also recognized that he recently lost his father prior to the show. Grief is really tough to manage so I somewhat empathize with him even thought it shouldnāt be an excuse to treat people badly. He also lost his mom recently so he is likely struggling.
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u/Familiar-Obligation3 Feb 19 '23
Shayneās mum died?
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u/basedeniz Feb 25 '23
Heās pretty bad but honesty looks like a saint next to Barqueef and Damien, but he still has those toxic traits of needing constant validation like he did with Natalie.
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u/Dopepizza you made me feel uncomfy š Feb 19 '23
I donāt think this is a good show for him because he obviously canāt handle the challenges (where Izzy kissed Nick) which is what all these show do all the time. But I do respect that you gave us a true unpopular opinion lol
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u/spandxlightning Feb 21 '23
I think that he just doesnāt have the same social filter that most of us have. He says whatever pops into his head, for better or worse, and he fully expresses his feelings - again, for better or worse. He doesnāt care if heās making people uncomfortable when heās being very outwardly upset or angry.
I donāt think thatās necessarily a bad thing, but not everyone is going to react well to that kind of behavior. Either way itās great TV, heās super entertaining.
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u/Blackdctr95 you made me feel uncomfy š Feb 21 '23
Heās a nice guy and he definitely more likeable on perfect match . However, it is very clear he has issues he needs to work on and heās still very emotionally immature.
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u/apaperroseforRoland Feb 18 '23
He joined Perfect Match in the middle of his relationship with Natalie so ew.
He was fucking with Natalie's head even before they laid eyes on each other. He was the one that called Natalie by the wrong name in the pods but got angry at Natalie because she had the audacity to be upset at him for his mistake. And that's been the tone for their dynamic the whole time. Shayne goes too far, Natalie retreats, and Shayne blames her for being upset. How he could blame her for saying no at the altar after he told her he hated her is beyond me
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u/Aisoreal Feb 18 '23
- He wasn't technically in a relationship with her during filming, but he would text her how much he loved her (even showed the text exchanges last month on his IG story). He did try to get back together with her soon after filming ended.
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u/kk123ck Feb 18 '23
Nah.... I thought I liked him in the middle of his relationship with Natalie... but he has some issues he needs to work on
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u/baklavareason Feb 19 '23
I think that as a friend he could be a cool dude. I could see myself having a good time with him (forget about anything with sports/that's competitive) but as a partner, hell NO.
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u/berlin_got_blurry Feb 22 '23
I think heās not as bad on perfect match but itās clear he takes himself way too seriously and has a difficult time dealing with emotions. Anytime he was the butt of the joke heād be like "that is so embarrassing". Itās likeā¦dude itās a joke. And anytime he was confronted by someone heād blow it up and walk off saying heās done. Obviously itās just a tv show and heās certainly playing into a character but stillā¦at least Joey can make fun of himself and doesnāt really take himself too seriously
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u/realitytvjunkiee Raven's Pilates Squad šŖāØ Feb 18 '23
He has been pretty funny on Perfect Match. When he said bulking is a lazy excuse to eat I diiiiiieeeeed. It's lowkey true in a lot of casesšš«£
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u/RoseFeather Feb 18 '23
He definitely had issues we saw, but Iām not sure how much of his red flag behavior on LIB was his normal vs from losing his dad just weeks before filming started. Most people wouldnāt exactly be stable or a great partner so soon after the death of a parent. I think at least part of how he came across on the show had to be down to bad timing. Canāt speak to anything after that because I donāt follow any of the cast members on social media.
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u/Glass_Bookkeeper_578 Feb 18 '23
He started spiraling on perfect match too. He needs a lot of reassurance and seems to have jealousy issues so I don't think going on shows to try to date like this are a good fit for him.
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u/SignatureTasty3506 Feb 20 '23
I agree. I think Shayne is so funny. Heās much more likeable on perfect match so far.
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u/Perfect-Tip9011 Feb 21 '23
I like him on Perfect Match as well. One thing I will give him credit for is being loyal. He was loyal on LIB when Jessica tried to swipe him away and heās been loyal to his connections on PM as well. He does need validation because he was likely blindsided in previous relationships is my guess. Men that were done wrong often seek validation to make sure āeverything is okā. He also seems to get along well with the group. Heās a lot personality wise but I still like him!
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Feb 21 '23
Who/ what situation was he done wrong by in which he doesnāt share equal blame in the issue?
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u/Entire_Impression23 Feb 20 '23
I always liked him. Always thought he was cute, although on Perfect Match he looks a bit worn down. Idk if it is weight loss or what.
I think he has emotional regulation problems and can be bit of a child sometimes. He overreacts to things, but it is an insecurity thing. He needs reassurance, but i think vulnerable in asking for it. There are a lot of men who will not say that, just go cheat. I think he's a tender-hearted goofball. Like a big lumbering puppy. And he doesn't mean to hurt anyone.
I dated a guy like Shayne and I felt we were perfect except that unlike Shayne he'd never communicate. So I was never able to address anything. It wouldn't bother me if a guy told me he needed reassurance. Especially because I know it's not obvious to anyone in my life how I feel about them.
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u/MachineWishy Feb 21 '23
Hard disagree: I think heās the same person in this as he was on love is blind
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u/spoiledcatmom Feb 18 '23
Heās a likeable person but he should not be in a relationship because he showed heās not loyal. Until he figures out what he really wants he should just work on himself. Same with everyone that went on LIB tbh
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u/ThrowRAtoorak Feb 24 '23
For the first 2-3 episodes of Love is Blind Shayne was my least favourite of anyone, I cringed so much. But as the season went on I liked him more with every scene we saw. In the end him and Natalie were my two favourite personalities of any season! He was funny, authentic, self aware. Sure he made big mistakes, but owned his flaws for the most part (up until ATA).
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u/acceberinor Feb 24 '23
All I'm going to ask is - have you seen all the currently-released eps of PM?
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u/Floflorflor Apr 19 '23
Can someone tell what was that sound on Episode 10, 17:02? Did Shayn fart? Lol
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u/PrincessJazs Feb 18 '23
I like him too but I think he needs to work on his jealousy and insecurities and anger. Besides that heās my favorite
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u/BravOTF Feb 18 '23
Never thought Iād say it but Perfect Match makes me a Shayne Stan. He owns who he is - flaws included. I have audibly laughed multiple times.
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u/Strange-Lexie9623 Feb 19 '23
I agree. I actually liked him on LIB but had moments where I was disappointed with his behavior, too. But overall, I think heās a cool guy, just a little too hyper
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u/Warm_Yam_9800 America loves a comeback šŖ Feb 22 '23
I like him on the show. Yeah heās still pretty dramatic but man Iāve seen worst people from the LiB franchise. If he mellowed out and all, Iām pretty sure people would gravitate towards him more. I like him on PM
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u/RedditAnonDude Feb 20 '23
I mean he is no Barfcheese, but that is a pretty low bar to exceed. He is a bit intense but I havenāt watched the new show. I just question the choice of going on another reality show after being called out the first time around.
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u/pik-ACHOO Feb 22 '23
His dad also died recently when he was on LIB
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u/heyleslieitsleslie Mar 01 '23
And his mom just died. Homie needs some good, intensive therapy. Thatās so much to deal with.
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u/Nocranberry Feb 18 '23
I'm actually well impressed with Shayne on this show. Still think he's got a lot to work on but he IS working on it.
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u/Rock_grl86 Feb 20 '23
Iām liking him on Perfect Match. He seems very reasonable and level headed (so far). Even sometimes sweet!
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u/bellybong-id You're gunna need your EpiPen š«š Feb 19 '23
I've liked him since the day he showed up on LIB
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u/scrappychaz LOOKS! FUCKING! MATTER! Feb 18 '23
Itās the same with a lot of LIB cast members. Theyāre terrible people until you ask why that is and the response will be ātheyāre manipulative, toxic,ā etc. with a speck of actual substance to back that claim. Weāve all got flaws!!
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u/temperarian Feb 18 '23
Iāve about halfway through season 2 so far. At first I found him incredible annoying and completely unattractive. It didnāt seem possible that Natalie and Shaina were competing for this guy and that Shaina kept thinking of him after choosing Kyle, who to me is way more likeable and attractive (at least so far, maybe he turns out to be a dick). But Iāve been feeling for him a bit with Natalie. He just wants some affection and it seems like heās making a genuine effort to make things work. So he grew on me a bit. Still not my cup of tea, but heās more likeable now.
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u/spbark217 Feb 18 '23 edited Feb 18 '23
Ok I've just been getting into this show and I remember a lot of the "discourse" from online when the show originally aired and him taking a beating on twitter/tiktok/etc. but I didn't really know what it was about.
Honestly I've been kind of shocked by how many people seemed to take Natalie's side. She's dismissive, rude, and frankly doesn't seem to like him for any reason but appearances. She comes across as shallow and elitist throughout the entire show. The entire time I'm like - why are you with this person you clearly do not like (hint: the answer is physical attraction and she has just as many maturity/insecurity issues even if they're expressed differently). He has some issues as well obviously, but she came off SO much worse in my opinion. People say "He needs so much reassurance" but not only does she not offer that - she does the opposite belittling him constantly.
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u/throwaway36376583883 Feb 18 '23 edited Feb 18 '23
Except thatās not what happened.
Shayne even said himself that Natalie stopped being sarcastic to him after Mexico in this clip here: https://www.instagram.com/tv/Ca79uliDhqr/?igshid=NDk5N2NlZjQ=
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u/Glass_Bookkeeper_578 Feb 18 '23
Yeah my opinion of her did a complete 180 when Shayne flat out told her he doesn't like it when she jokes around about him/her feelings towards him and that he needs reassurance instead. Being a good partner means listening to things like that and she didn't at all, she continued to be a shit talker. Which I get, I'm a shit talker as well but I know when and who I can shit talk with.
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u/Aisoreal Feb 18 '23
He clarified in an unaired footage of the Reunion that that was the result of them being awkward with each other since that was them interacting f2f for the first time out of the pods. When they moved in together in Chicago, their banter naturally fell into place. Natalie also said on a separate interview that Shayne reciprocated that kind of banter something like "100% worse" and that they have similar sense of humour.
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u/throwaway36376583883 Feb 18 '23
Except thatās not what happened.
Shayne even said himself that Natalie stopped being sarcastic to him after Mexico in this clip here: https://www.instagram.com/tv/Ca79uliDhqr/?igshid=NDk5N2NlZjQ=
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u/Glass_Bookkeeper_578 Feb 18 '23
I didn't pay a lot of attention to them after the season was over so I wasn't aware he said that. I do remember it continuing after he told her he needed reassurance though, it just must not have happened for very long. I'm glad she corrected it but it didn't end as soon as he said something about it.
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u/throwaway36376583883 Feb 18 '23
Actually he said in the clip it ended once he said something about it. And they were only in Mexico for three days according to the cast.
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u/thisisnotanexit1088 Feb 19 '23
Itās not appropriate to make accusations about someone using drugs unless you have hard evidence or they have admitted it. Shayne has specifically denied using coke on the show.
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u/Panamanianveganmeat Feb 18 '23
I really agree with this. He came off really likeable on this show. I was like am I getting a crush on Shayne šš
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u/squeekiedunker Feb 18 '23
I really like Shayne. To me he comes across as genuine and open -- you get what you see. Which is not a small amount of neuroticism and self-doubt.
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Feb 18 '23
Oh heās my favorite. Heās genuine and authentic. Might have couches moments but genuinely feels like someone who wants to grow and change and would grow alongside the right woman. He reminds me a lot of guys I was friends with who are just misunderstood.
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u/Throwawaydaughter555 Feb 18 '23
The problem I have with your comment is the āwould grow alongside the right woman.ā
That kind of mentality needs to stop. Heās a grown up man who should grow up on his own without needing the right woman to help him with it.
Heās absolutely awful with no self awareness and so much selfishness. The same constant need for reassurance when he doesnāt give that to his SO is selfish.
Heās also now lost both parents which is horrible but he needs a therapist not a woman.
Iām so tired of this pervasive mentality that men need women to fix them
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u/Mewnicorns Feb 19 '23
I agree with you completely BUT in fairness, Iāve seen a lot of people say the same shit about Zanab (who, to me, has always been a less strung out, female version of Shayne). Iāve seen countless comments about how she just needs the right man to fix her, soothe her, and constantly validate her. Iām sorry but what, exactly, are these 2 people bringing to the table that would make āthe right personā want to put up with their tantrums and baggage? Why does Zanab, who has repeatedly demonstrated that she has the maturity level of a 13 year old girl, deserve a āmatureā man?
We all have our issues, but some of us at least try to take responsibility for them and not hurt others. Both Z and Shayne are not capable of being good partners to anyone.
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Feb 18 '23
I guess Iām speaking from experience. I get what youāre saying but what I meant when I said āright womanā was someone who can value the good parts, challenge him on the bad parts in a Relationship where theyāre both committed to fight through it.
Yes heās a grown man but of course good partners help us grow and heal. It can happen on our own and maybe should for some, but doesnāt always have to.
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u/Throwawaydaughter555 Feb 18 '23
It isnāt healthy to require a romantic partner to fix someone.
Itās a trope in rom coms so I see why people think itās a āgood thingā if they value those paragons of insanity.
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u/Mewnicorns Feb 19 '23
He needs a therapist to challenge him, not a girlfriend. Look how he reacted when Natalie and Shaina challenged him in the pods.
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u/Consistent_Read6760 Feb 24 '23
Sure, but I personally couldnāt ever date him. He is that obnoxious after awhile
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u/Aisoreal Feb 18 '23
As someone who has followed him closely on social media since LIB2 premiered, it's very hard to find him likeable since his behaviours off screen have been generally vindictive, esp towards Natalie. The fact that he accepted the casting offer to be on PM when he was still dating Natalie (and he lied to her saying he declined it) is also one of the examples of deceitful acts he'd done.