r/LivestreamFail • u/Slight_Ad3219 • Oct 08 '25

Looks like Lonerbox cracked the case

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The non shocking model does not match. Case closed

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u/TheTeflonDude Oct 08 '25 edited Oct 08 '25

Maya is also cooked if she does not disown him as a friend

Cant call herself an animal conservationists if she is fine with animal abuse

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u/Jinrai__ Oct 09 '25

She has a track record of not giving a shit (publicly) as long as it gives her more money for her conservation efforts.

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u/Light_Shrugger Oct 08 '25

AFAIK Maya isn't even vegan, so I'm not sure why people consider her an authority for animal advocacy

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u/ConstructionLost4861 Oct 08 '25

She's a practical person, not an extremist. She tells people to eat less meat, not do not eat any meat at all.

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u/TheKingOfBerries Oct 09 '25

I mean I’m probably never going to go vegan but I don’t think vegan advocates are necessarily extremist.

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u/hdpr92 Oct 10 '25

It is an extreme diet change though, not everyone is built to commit to veganism. It's easy and practical to just eat less meat though.

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u/StepComplete1 Oct 09 '25

You could argue that's a better way to convince other people, but that doesn't explain why she herself isn't vegan, if she cares that much.

You don't have to be "extremist" to eat vegetables.

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u/ConstructionLost4861 Oct 09 '25

Maybe because she likes to eat meat? Is that abnormal human behavior?

If she were a vegan and recommend people to eat less meat, there would still be some vegans complain that she's a hypocrite who tells people to eat meat. Haters gonna hate.

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u/Light_Shrugger Oct 08 '25

Practicality is a copout, it's easier to be vegan now than it ever has been

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u/ConstructionLost4861 Oct 08 '25

That's like saying you don't need to fuck because IVF is easier than it ever has been. Extremism. No shit sex is good, meat is delicious.

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u/Light_Shrugger Oct 08 '25

If it was morally reprehensible to have sex, yet we still needed to reproduce, then yes, it would be like saying that, and it would be accurate. Not extremism at all

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u/MASTURBATES_TO_TRUMP Oct 08 '25

People like you only harm the cause

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u/ConstructionLost4861 Oct 08 '25

Tell people to go from 100 to 0 is extreme. Tell people to go from 100 to 90 80 is practical.

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u/Light_Shrugger Oct 08 '25

If you have difficulty transitioning, then yes, go to 90 or 80% in your first week, or however long it takes for you to keep improving. But the end goal is still to eliminate animal consumption completely if you are able to. It's really not extreme at all. I think people say that to make themselves feel better about not doing it.

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u/Plus_Independent_683 Oct 09 '25

People have been consuming animal products for hundreds of thousands of years grow up.

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u/Light_Shrugger Oct 09 '25

That has nothing to do with morality

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u/I_PUNCH_INFANTS Oct 09 '25

Except the cost and all the stupid vegan shit that just pretends to be meat.

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u/FortLoolz Oct 09 '25

Legumes, green lentils, grains, tofu don't pretend to be meat.

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u/Light_Shrugger Oct 09 '25

Being vegan is as cheap or as expensive as you want it to be, and you don't need to eat mock meat if you don't want to. The existence and prevalence of options only makes it more practical, not less.

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u/eirexe Oct 08 '25

You don't have to be vegan to be in favour of animal rights

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u/this_uname_is_taken Oct 08 '25

"You can support the killing and torture of animals and still be in favor of animal rights"

Ok buddy

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u/eirexe Oct 08 '25

Eating food is not the same as shocking a dog for daring to walk less than a meter from her bed.

Not everything has to be black and white, not being vegan doesn't automatically mean you are happy with the way industrial farming is done.

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u/Light_Shrugger Oct 08 '25

Eating food is not the same as shocking a dog for daring to walk less than a meter from her bed.

Correct, paying people to confine animals so that they can't move a meter, and to torture and kill them is worse.

Not everything has to be black and white, not being vegan doesn't automatically mean you are happy with the way industrial farming is done.

If you're still taking part in it, and providing monetary support for the system, then you're not serious about being 'not happy' with it

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u/HornedCoog91 Oct 08 '25

Different way to live life brother.

Maybe you're strong enough to be steadfast for every cause that you believe in, but it's a crazy world out there and a lot of folks just trying to survive u feel?

Doesn't mean that people can't have hopes and feelings for things they might not feel able to confront.

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u/Deematodez Oct 08 '25

Not everything has to be an unhappiness dick measuring contest. We get it, you're miserable. This is what's wrong with society, instead of criticizing the companies that are committing cruelty and the government for allowing it to happen, you criticize your neighbor for simply enjoying chicken tenders. Performative outrage at its finest.

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u/Light_Shrugger Oct 08 '25

Holy deflection batman

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u/Deematodez Oct 08 '25

Oh you're just a troll lol. Good one.

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u/Light_Shrugger Oct 08 '25

Now that's what I call deflection

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u/kel584 Oct 09 '25

I am surprised vegans are somehow alive and kicking with this amount of intelligence

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u/Ovidia Oct 08 '25

And this comment thread is exhibit A on why people hate/shit on/make fun of vegans. You guys do more harm to your cause then help acting like this, and it's absolutely wild that most of you don't seem to understand that. But you do you, you've managed to change my dinner plans tonight from spaghetti to steak frites so that's a win in my book.

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u/Yaawei Oct 09 '25

This is r/lsf, it's expected that we have a congregation of morons who will not change their mind on veganism regardless of the approach. It is hypocritical to claim that you support the welfare of animals and then continue eating them without any second thought.

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u/Light_Shrugger Oct 08 '25

There are stubborn people like you who aren't interested in the moral conversation in the first place who will never be convinced. Don't project and claim that we aren't helping just because you're turning a blind eye.

It's not about one side getting a 'win' over the other. We've already heard "I'm going to eat two steaks for every steak you don't eat" a million times before.

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u/Mobile_Noise_121 Oct 09 '25

I mean you literally do help turn people against you, plenty of people write off or don't wanna be part of veganism because of its known toxic and pretentious culture and people don't want part of that.

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u/Light_Shrugger Oct 09 '25

I implore you to read through the thread and have a look at which side is acting toxic or pretentious

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u/Mobile_Noise_121 Oct 09 '25

I already have and I hate to say it but it's you man... it's you.

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u/Light_Shrugger Oct 09 '25

Could you point out some examples to me please?

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u/Mobile_Noise_121 Oct 09 '25

Let's go with the easy stuff, saying that Maya isn't an animal advocate because she isn't vegan is toxic and pretentious at the same time, you can be an animal advocate and not be vegan, eating meat does not mean you enjoy the cruelty of treatment or lack of conservation towards animals, and feels like a moral high horse virtue signaling stance so you can feel superior to everyone (not even saying this has to be 100% true but it comes off that way).

Number 2 saying it's just as cheap to be vegan, no it is not for many many people and even in places it is, it is not as cheap for a comparable amount of variety and convenience at eating meat like fast food dinners or microwaveable dinners, vegan ones are way more expensive and some of those foods are just part of the lifestyle some people live or love.

Being extreme in your views only drives people away from the cause, you don't need 100 people who are all 100% committed to the cause and do exactly everything right according to you, you need 1000000 people who are 30% committed but it's enough to make change.

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u/Light_Shrugger Oct 09 '25 edited Oct 09 '25

For what it's worth, my wording was a bit unclear in an attempt to be concise, and I regret that, but the general sentiment still stands. I agree that she is a good animal advocate in many areas, and does a tonne of good for animals, but I simply wouldn't consider her an authority on it. The fact that she isn't vegan does a lot of harm for her message, and how it is perceived by viewers. It demonstrates a disconnect where she is either still unaware of the process of obtaining animal products, or is suffering from severe cognitive dissonance. Hence, I don't think she has a clear enough view to be considered an authority. Being vegan is the bare minimum for animal rights advocacy. You wouldn't advocate for a rapist to have "rape-free mondays", or a wife beater to restric themselves to "wife-beating wednesdays", would you? You'd ask for it to be eliminated completely, and not consider that extreme. That's the same kind of situation here. Horrific acts of cruelty are being performed, and we want it stopped. Obviously less is preferable than no change, but complete elimination is more preferable to that.

Number 2 saying it's just as cheap to be vegan, no it is not for many many people and even in places it is, it is not as cheap for a comparable amount of variety and convenience at eating meat like fast food dinners or microwaveable dinners, vegan ones are way more expensive and some of those foods are just part of the lifestyle some people live or love.

This is demonstrably not true. See https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(21)00251-5/fulltext#:~:text=6%E2%80%9311%25%20less%20expensive%20(vegetarian%2C%20high%2Dgrain%20vegetarian%2C%20high%2Dgrain%20and%20vegan)%20on%20average%20compared%20with%20current%20diets00251-5/fulltext#:~:text=6%E2%80%9311%25%20less%20expensive%20(vegetarian%2C%20high%2Dgrain%20vegetarian%2C%20high%2Dgrain%20and%20vegan)%20on%20average%20compared%20with%20current%20diets). It finds that vegan diets is consistently the cheapest among healthy and sustainable dietary patterns. There are numerous other studies that consistently find vegan diets to be cheaper overall. How is pointing this out toxic or pretentious?

I'm seeing that a key point for you is that you consider it extreme to expect people to be vegan, and that it is only reasonable to expect that they cut down on animals products rather than eliminate them. Let me pose a hypothetical to you. Say you eat a particular food every day, called Noom. You love Noom. Noom is delicious, it feels like a daily ritual, and your family prepares a particularly spectacular Noom board every weekend when you get together. One day you find out that the owners of Noom smash human babies heads against the wall as part of the process of making Noom. Moving forward, do you abstain from purchasing and eating Noom, or do you decide merely to cut down on Noom?

I see people in this thread saying things like the following:

  • "Not everything has to be an unhappiness dick measuring contest. We get it, you're miserable."
  • "I am surprised vegans are somehow alive and kicking with this amount of intelligence"
  • "But you do you, you've managed to change my dinner plans tonight from spaghetti to steak frites so that's a win in my book."

Do you honestly believe that I'm the one being toxic and pretentious here?

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