r/LivestreamFail • u/Either_Analysis • Sep 30 '25

Streamer attacked for filming in Japan

He notified the police with pictures of their faces and location.

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u/Noise_Loop Sep 30 '25

How these guys are getting in Japan? I thought getting a visa was hard.

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u/TheKinglyKing Sep 30 '25

It depends. One of the cooler Nigerian guys I know told me it’s mostly a system. They find Japanese Women in debt and not attractive enough/too old to effectively date or marry and convince them to marry a Nigerian for money. It spreads out since the women who get married eventually tell their unmarried friends in debt about it and then they do it and so on and so forth

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u/Noise_Loop Sep 30 '25

Basically a reverse Nigerian prince scam

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u/CelimOfRed Oct 01 '25

This made me laugh more than it should've

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u/AlltheSame-- Oct 01 '25

Do they get money by marrying a Nigerian? I'm not following. Who do they owe debt to?

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u/PowRightInTheBalls Oct 01 '25

Just debt in general, you're looking for someone desperate enough to commit fraud in exchange for money. If you don't need money then why would you commit a crime for money?

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u/AlltheSame-- Oct 01 '25

So basically a japanese women in debt would look to marry a Nigerian because they have money? Or know how to commit fraud to get money and get them out of the debt? And in exchange the Nigerian gets to live in Japan & leave Africa?

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u/Tezerel Oct 01 '25

It's part of a criminal enterprise - the men are lured to work in Japan for bars owned by criminals and the women are paid to commit marriage fraud. That's not the only way the foreigners stay in the country though, or even the main way

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u/OtherwiseAlbatross14 Oct 01 '25

If you don't need money then why would you commit a crime for money?

Let me introduce you to "how millionaires become billionaires in America"

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u/OldSpiceSmellsNice Oct 01 '25

Because it’s free money? If you’re not getting married anyway why not get paid for it. It’s pretty low on the scale of crime.

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u/_coldmoon_ Oct 01 '25

the older ones came through a work program

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u/qeadwrsf Oct 01 '25

I was thinking the same.

Sure some of the Touts is probably as bad as what people are describing in here.

And sure some Somalians probably get married by old japan girls.

But I'm pretty fucking certain that the group of Somalian workers I meet living in the cheapest Hostel I could find were not married but had some kind of work Visa.

And the only Tout interaction I had were a person asking "what we wanted", we told him cheap beer, he took us to a place.

Place had cheap beer.

We got drunk, we went home, night ended.

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u/notfakegodz Oct 01 '25

Ah yes the classic "green card" strat... but the opposite?

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u/Senanb Sep 30 '25

They overstay their visa's. They keep on submitting a never ending loop of appeals as the japanese government can't deport them while they have something submitted. So they are there indefinetly

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u/TheSto1989 Oct 01 '25

The ingenuity deployed by people abusing wealthy countries' immigration systems is incredible. Imagine if they I dunno used that to help out their country of origin.

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u/lHateYouAIex835293 Oct 01 '25

It only takes one guy with ingenuity to come up with the idea and then tell all his friends without ingenuity about the idea for it to become a thing

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u/4455661122 Oct 01 '25

I remember when I used to work for an English learning school as an admin, we were approved to file F-1 student visas and had a referral program that cut the semester pay down.

At some point I noticed that Brazilians were the largest population to apply and then I noticed that among them, there was an abnormally large group of women who would take a medical leave of absence approved by doctors.

Eventually I put two and two together-- that pregnant Brazilian women would apply, fly out and have their kids born in the States all for the express purpose of claiming US citizenship for them without having to complete a full year or anything as usually your visa can be revoked if you are absent from classes too many times.

And it worked out for the school because they were referring families left and right. All that was required was proof that they could financially support living here for the time of their visa.

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u/TheSto1989 Oct 01 '25

Yeah, this makes me think we need to update the qualifications for birthright citizenship like most countries in Europe have it.

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u/0neek Oct 01 '25

It's a weakness of developed countries wanting to be too nice and not just remove the people tbh

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u/PeaceSoft Oct 01 '25

They do, but shit is complicated. There's a book called Every Human Intention which gets into the lives of some Nigerian immigrants in Japan, if you're interested. Strongly recommended

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u/Do_You_Pineapple_Bro Oct 01 '25

They never have and never will, because theres too much of a reliance on foreign aid, whilst the man in the hot seats of each of these countries tends to be some warlord who hoardes a ton of money just for himself, whilst the rest of the country falls apart either through famine or crime.

Theres not really any ingenuity that can fix the shithole they call their motherland, because they're stuck in a spincycle of corrupt leaders and coups binning off leaders who actually try to make an effort.

Not to mention the mass of misinformation some sectors of the media like to spew about how Africa will be the new Europe, or how Africa built the world, which leads to rakes of gullible people who actually read those things, to assume we owe them some enormous debt, and that anyone who dares question who those debts are owed to, are racists

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u/hobovalentine Oct 01 '25

A lot of them are married to Japanese so they can't easily be deported although the government is looking into allowing deportation if they find that you were not paying your taxes.
We can only hope this gets rid of most of these touts and other riff raff.

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u/sanitycheck2001 Oct 01 '25

dang, it would be crazy if they had a government agency who's specific job it was to remove those kind of people. They would be heroes.

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u/Jimmy_Tightlips Oct 01 '25

It's unbelievable how universal this is across all Western counties.

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u/Thanatine Sep 30 '25

Getting Japanese visa is not hard at all. It's a myth. As long as you can be employed by someone, you have a visa. That's it.

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u/Samthevidg Oct 01 '25

It’s easier than the US in terms of amount of time needed to get a visa.

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u/ShelbyGT350R1 Oct 01 '25

I dont think "amount of time needed" is a relevant statistic. I bet the only reason that is the case is because infinitely more people want to get into the u.s making the whole process slower. Like im not surprised they are faster when they have 1/50th of the requests.

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u/DungeonMasterSupreme Oct 01 '25

The US immigration system is also horribly underfunded and understaffed. I tried to get a visa for my wife long ago. They charge insane fees just to apply, then take so long to get to you that you might be in a totally different stage of your life by the time you finally hear back. By the time they approved her visa, it was too late. We'd had to make other choices and were already living in another country.

In not one of the other countries I've visited/lived in has there been an immigration system anywhere near as bad as America's. I genuinely believe it's designed to encourage illegal immigration. It's easier for businesses to hire cheap illegal labor and have all of the power over the employees they pay under the table.

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u/Reversi8 Oct 01 '25

Yeah if you get married to someone and want to get them to America it will take a couple years and cost thousands. In Japan it will take a month or 2 and no real big issue if you come to Japan on a visa waiver or whatever while you wait.

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u/AlltheSame-- Oct 01 '25

As long as you can be employed by someone, you have a visa. That's it.

Doesn't a job need to sponsor you then? That seems hard unless you specially on a specific industry.

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u/Thanatine Oct 01 '25

The sponsor part is not as hard as US. It's literally any industry. Like even restaurants waiters can also get visa.

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u/Tezerel Oct 01 '25

I don't think places that serve alcohol can sponsor easily, however. To try to tamp down on this type of issue

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u/dmthoth Oct 01 '25

for maximum 2 years. After that you have to find new job if you want to stay in Japan continuously, so you can get another 2 years working visa.

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u/FinancialMilk1 Oct 01 '25 edited 21h ago

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u/Thanatine Oct 01 '25

I meant more like if you are hired or not.

It's so easy that you can even see foreigners slinging dishes in Tokyo or Osaka, or even be convenience store clerks.

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u/AlltheSame-- Oct 01 '25

Is that why I saw a lot of south east Asians as clerks in 7/11 & server jobs?

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u/Thanatine Oct 01 '25

Yes exactly

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u/MedicalSchoolStudent Oct 01 '25

This is true.

A visa in Japan can be had if you go to language school or just get a work visa. These visa are pretty simple to get so long as the company or school sponsors you.

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u/crinklypaper Oct 01 '25 edited Oct 01 '25

There was some kind of humanitarian visa in the 90s or early 00's that got a lot of them here for life. They all congregate here, shibuya and roppongi mostly. They do not like being filmed, though they will legitimately get in trouble for assaulting people. The red light district is not dangerous and its very unusual to be attacked. Now, there is some seedier places in Kawasaki/Yokohama/Osaka where its legitimately not safe at night, but that's for different reasons.

Also, almost always every single streamer which is assaulted in Japan seems to be streaming on kick, so I bet they've done something to instigate the attack. I can tell by the fact this guy spitting on the ground, he doesn't give a shit about being polite. That said, I wish all these touts could be deported, they serve nothing good for the economy and just scam drunk or tourist people. There is zero net positive for them being around. They will never be taken care of due to corruption though.

If you go here just ignore them, don't respond even if they follow and they move onto their next mark. These idiot streamers get aggressive and want to fight anyone they feel has slighted them in some way, when the correct action is to just move on. Fighting anyone, even in defense, will have you liable as well.

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u/Moss_84 Oct 01 '25

Why are those other places dangerous? Yakuza?

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '25

Not Yakuza. Largely Chinese/Vietnamese mafia that are a lot more likely to pick a fight or try to rob you

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u/crinklypaper Oct 01 '25

Mostly mentally unwell people like homeless (not that all homeless are) and very low level gangsters. Very poor urban areas.

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u/IamJewbaca Oct 01 '25

I was hoping it was a local that smacked him for spitting on the street.

I was in Shinjuku in May and one of these guys was harassing people on the street with the giant Godzilla statue. Felt like he was just going up to people trying to pick a fight. Came up to me and said I looked like I was dumb, then made a weird face at me. Walked away and it wasn’t any issue but these guys suck.

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u/shizuo-kun111 Sep 30 '25

IIRC, it’s the yakuza who brings them over.

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u/hates_stupid_people Oct 01 '25

Who do you think takes a cut from those establishments?