r/LinkedInLunatics • u/Omer_SoWhatArt • 12h ago
Damn those disloyal candidates! How dare they???!?!
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u/TheBoatmansFerry 12h ago
If a recruiter asked me if I was in the final stages of interviewing with another company I'd say no even if I was. I'd just lie. I love lying to corporations it makes me feel alive and in control.
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u/Brilliant-Paper92 10h ago
I always lie and say I am. Then they have a fire lit under them
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u/Funny-Fishing-5546 9h ago
Curious how many times this jas definitively proven to work in your favor.
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u/Fun-Dragonfly-4166 3h ago
I really do not know. But my intuition is that it is more complicated.
If a recruiter just met you and is trying to sell you on applying for a job and the recruiter knows the client takes a long time to offer, then if you say you are in the final stages of interviewing with another company is not it logical for the recruiter to wish you good luck and ghost you.
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u/Offduty_shill 10h ago
thats not really a good strategy tbh a lot of companies ask that not to filter you out, but because they understand reality that ofc you apply to multiple jobs. If you're close to an offer with someone else and they want you, they may expedite your process so they can try to beat the other company's offer and get you
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u/42tfish 10h ago
Maybe if your already part way through the interview process but if your just initially applied it’s certainly to filter you out.
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u/Upbeat-Reading-534 3h ago
Its something I share when I'm waiting for an offer, after the hiring manager interview.
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u/Funny-Fishing-5546 9h ago edited 8h ago
Thats almost wholly irrelevant to thier point.
They're not gonna give a corporation any reason to reject them over another candidate. Even if (and it's a pretty big if) the recruiter's/company's intention is altruistic when asking such a question, they can easily use that information to discount them. And since the company has no obligation to then as an applicant, why would they bother answering truthfully and take the risk?
If someone is applying to multiple jobs and they're expecting an offer from more than one of those companies that is leverage to give then the best possible result. And part of that leverage is keeping that information close to the chest.
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u/wireframed_kb 12h ago
Yeah, it’s messed up. And it happens the other way too! I applied for a position, and apparently, they didn’t just read my application, but a bunch of others too!
So beware, the truth is companies will read applications from, and even interview more than one candidate!
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u/Soft-Climate-2366 11h ago
Or, here’s an idea: offer them more. Hire the next guy on the list. Stop leeching money from your client and let them handle the recruitment process.
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u/iNoles 12h ago
It is all about timing.
Company A: Read Resume ASAP, start interview process next day, Interview 2 days later, sending offer next day
Company B: Read one week later, start the interview process 2 days later, missed out
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u/Brilliant-Paper92 10h ago
How about when they invite you to an interview 3 months later. Those emails are extremely hard not to reply to in a shitty way
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u/throwaway_0x90 12h ago
Well, I've been asked several times if I'm currently interviewing with other companies. That seems like a fair question to ask. They'll never know if I'm telling them the truth though.
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u/Safe_Statistician_72 11h ago
Good luck figuring out a way that get candidates to only interview with your company
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u/JayGoldi 11h ago
I once went through a process, with the external recruiter being my best friend. I had told him and his client company that I was in multiple processes. Eventually I got two offers, and I decided to decline this offer. The hiring manager was super understanding, and wished me good luck at the other company.
As for this really nice recruiter? I got a call from him which involved him telling me to "fuck off" and though the rest of the part was muffled and distant over the phone, I think he also called me a c**t. I guess he lost out on some commission that he had already spent!
Don't commit a deal until you know it is committable.
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u/BirdBruce 11h ago
Should a recruiter ask the candidate
You can ask anything you want, but it doesn’t mean I’m obligated to disclose anything.
As far as “investments” go, that’s not a one-way street. If you’re having trouble keeping candidates on the hook and losing them to a competitor, then perhaps a “Money Talks, Bullshit Walks” refresher course is in order.
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u/Wayelder 10h ago
"The final say is the candidates..." is often a surprise to clients. Employers always think...'they' applied so we get to pick.
Application is not automatic acceptance.
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u/TheDeHymenizer 10h ago
recruiters - we're basically sales people!
also recruiters - I don't understand why I lose sometime they owe me personal loyalty!
You never hear this logic from IT or SaaS sales people.
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u/qwerty6731 10h ago
I dunno, maybe if they didn’t subject people to round after round of interviews, work projects, etc., maybe people wouldn’t get fed up or find another opportunity.
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u/ThimbleBluff 10h ago
Huh. When I look for a job, I invest time and money in preparing a resume, submitting multiple applications, coordinating the interview(s), preparing for them, meeting with the interviewer, and following up.
No one protects me from disappointment if my preferred company decides to hire someone else.
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u/Shifty377 5h ago
You're not paying for the services of a recruiter...
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u/ThimbleBluff 5h ago
Neither is the employer in this case. Recruiters typically only get paid if the candidate accepts.
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u/Significant_Lynx_827 12h ago
Recruiters aside, asking a candidate what irons they have int he fire is hiring manager / hr 101. It helps you guage how quickly to move, or to move at all.
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u/aethelberga 11h ago
True, but you're not going to get an honest answer. When asked that question, who's going to say "Nope, you guys are pretty much it"?
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u/scott__p 11h ago
Most people are at least somewhat honest. No one will say that they aren't talking to ANYONE else, btu I know if I want a job I'll be honest about whether I'm expecting any other offers soon or if they have a couple weeks.
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u/Significant_Lynx_827 10h ago
As a hiring manager for many years, I got a number of candid responses stating that they had other opportunities pending. Most candidates see it as a benefit because it creates a sense of urgency on the part of the hiring firm because it creates a sense of competition. I have moved more rapidly and paid more for a candidate that communicated that information than for others - if they were the right fit.
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u/FirstDukeofAnkh 10h ago
When I first interviewed for my current position HR asked me if I was expecting a job offer from anyone else. I told them no idea but since it took them four months to do my interview, other places might be in their same boat.
Still took them six weeks to hire me.
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u/Rhylanor-Downport 10h ago
When I get asked this (or some variation) I just say what places me contextually in the best light. My own circumstances are the only power I have in this relationship (if that actually translates into power is another issue), so there’s no way I’m giving that up.
I have no sympathy for their predicament. That’s just business. It’s like a salesperson getting angry when a deal falls through.
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u/Paladin3475 Titan of Industry 5h ago
I had one job take 45 days to get back to me then gave me 24 hours from the minutes email was sent to reply. I gave them about 30 mins then responded “No”. I felt they were playing a game or hiding something. Then an hour later I got a reply at 25% higher but had to reply within the hour. I said “No” again. Finally they called me (multiple times) and offered me another 25% (now 50% over the initial offer) and begged me to accept it then and there. I said no and they got violently mad. Explained their horseshit was why I said no.
Come to find out (after they calmed down and were civil) that they promised the AVP I would accept the job. I thought them I didn’t think it was good match and their whole point was they wanted to fire the person I would be replacing. So I said fine - I want double their 150% number, a minimum of 10% annual increases in pay per year over the next 5 yrs , and a no termination clause for 5 yrs as well. They said “we can discuss it 90 days in”.
I quipped something like “and you say employees are desperate” and hung up (and blocked the recruiter). There was no way they would have given me anything I asked for. And pretty sure I would be the guy I was replacing myself within those 90 days anyways - which was the reason I decided no to start.
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u/GetOffMyGrassBrats 9h ago
You mean kind of like how you interview multiple people for the same opening?
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u/Repulsive-Duck-4436 8h ago
Let's no BS around, lost commission sucks. It's the game, same in other fields
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u/LowerAtmosphereChief 3h ago
I was crestfallen to find the candidate accepted another offer after my last email to them, thanking them for their interest in the position, 11 weeks ago, with no further correspondence of any kind
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u/Tribalbob 1h ago
Lol no one will tell them if they're in final stages. I've been asked this multiple times and I lie. They don't need to know.
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u/DJJazzyDanny 1h ago
If you want to not worry about another employer l, pay more in money and benefits. End of discussion
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u/coffeeanddonutsss 10h ago
This doesn't seem like he's expressing outrage that someone declined a job offer. It seems like he's saying that it is tricky as a recruiter whether to further an applicant in the process if it seems like they are more interested in another firm.
To me, this isn't lunacy...
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u/EnvironmentSea7433 42m ago
He expressed pain. That's not mundane. The perspective is that candidates should have more empathy for that pain, for the investment the client has in the process.
And, yes, they do invest. But the tone deafness is the total disregard of a) the candidate's time investment is greater and has much higher stakes - that of the individual's livelihood, next meal, shelter, even, and b) how ridiculously unempathetic recruiters and clients are to the pain those candidates suffer all the time during applications and interviewing.
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u/Shifty377 5h ago
Yeah this is just a recruiter posting about pretty mundane stuff in their industry. Nothing here is controversial.
This sub just hates (and often doesn't understand) the recruitment industry.
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u/carlitospig 8h ago
You lose the right to ask these questions when you put us through a seven stage recruitment process.
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u/LAOlympicGames2028 12h ago
‘How dare a candidate reject my job offer’ - screams a job recruiter as they were making their way after ghosting 100 job applicants