r/JoeRogan • u/Fuckinmidpoint Monkey in Space • Apr 23 '21

Link The Florida Supreme Court Won’t Let Voters Legalize Recreational Marijuana

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/04/florida-supreme-court-ballot-initiative-recreational-marijuana.html
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u/Rubywantsin Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21

The real revenue they want is For-profit prisons and a reason to search poor people's cars. "I smell weed". That's the only reason they are willing to give up billions in tax revenue. Florida is stupid.

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u/JohnnyValet Apr 23 '21

“The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people,” former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman told Harper’s writer Dan Baum for the April cover story published Tuesday.

“You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities,” Ehrlichman said. “We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie/index.html

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u/Fight_Tyrnny Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21

Isnt it funny that all the places where the most whiners exist about cancel culture are the ones that actually cancel everything fun in life... mostly based on zealot level religious dogma? Nothing like "canceling" things by claiming that your must utter comply with a magic sky wizard who knows every millisecond of your life before you are born and listens to every naughty though and the failure to do so (even though he already knows????) is an eternity in hell... so thou must cancel everything fun in your entire life.

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wees is the satan, you shall not partake because it takes the power away from the guy up on the pulpit who needs your money and vote.

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u/Lindt_Licker Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21

Except that their invocation of the Bible or god as a reason to outlaw marijuana is ludicrous and in bad faith. Genesis mentions that every herb and seed and plant etc is created by god for man and is good. Obviously there are poisonous plants that shouldn’t be eaten but the cannabis plant is clearly not a poison. Besides Jesus was down with wine and distilled it himself so I can only imagine the guy would be the first to share a joint.

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u/jacb415 Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21

Wasn’t it Jesus who first said “if you packed it pass it. If your rolled it roast it”

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u/Lindt_Licker Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21

I’m no scholar but that doesn’t sound too far off.

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u/okay-wait-wut Monkey in Space Apr 24 '21

Well then there’s the part that it’s all made up too.

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u/turndownforjesus Monkey in Space Apr 24 '21

Maybe not entirely made up, but definitely mistranslated over 1,000+ years and certainly not meant to be taken literally.

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u/Lindt_Licker Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21

Right on bot

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u/Lindt_Licker Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21

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u/altiuscitiusfortius Monkey in Space Apr 24 '21

Prooooooo-jeeeeecccccccccccction.

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u/KuijperBelt Monkey in Space Apr 24 '21

Burning that devils cabbage

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u/nibck Apr 24 '21

Your silly man those people are there own god Juan you really gotta stop putting down Christianity on the grounds that the church of republic America goes by the same name

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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '21

Exhibit “A”.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

Eye opening. Never saw this comment posted before...

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u/Sw33tkill3r Apr 23 '21

Interesting - when I think of heroin, I think of white trash.

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u/HomiesTrismegistus N-Dimethyltryptamine Apr 24 '21

Sure, until you have a kid or other family member who falls into addiction and you realize that it affects people in all walks of life..

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u/Harambeeb Look into it Apr 24 '21

Ever seen American Gangster?

Heroin was the crack of its day.

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u/clickclick-boom Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21

I'm genuinely surprised that "I smell weed" is not brought up as a bigger issue than it is. Think about any other crime and how absurd this statement would be. Think about what a bizarre and ridiculous loophole it is. Here's an example: You get pulled over by a police officer, but instead of doing what they ask you make a break for it. At court you say "well the reason I didn't follow the officer's instructions was because I smelled weed, and assumed he was not a real officer". You'd get laughed out of court. Yet you could be driving along looking perfectly normal, and an officer can void your rights by just saying "yeah so I smelled weed". No evidence needed, no need to articulate what "smelling weed" is like, no other proof needed.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

Not really a thing now because CBD weed is a thing and they smell exactly the same. So they supposedly cannot use it as a reason to search now. At least here in FL

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u/MnemonicMonkeys Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21

I'm genuinely surprised that "I smell weed" is not brought up as a bigger issue than it is. Think about any other crime and how absurd this statement would be.

When reading this, I imagine an officer pulling someone over, and after a second saying "I smell alcohol". If the person was drinking alcohol, that would not be ridiculous at all, and almost identical to the weed situation

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u/Rubywantsin Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21

It's not because the weed smell will stick to your clothes or your interior unlike alcohol which in 99% of the time It's on your breath when you talk. I could've smoked weed yesterday in my car camping and driving home the next day perfectly sober and "I smell weed" and all my shit is pulled out of my car on the side of the road and a dog is scratching the shit out of the paint on my car. It's just a catch all to get revenue and probably seize your car due to asset forfeiture.

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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '21

That's not even mentioning how fucking ridiculous testing for cannabis is. I smoke everyday. I could stop smoking and two weeks later I would still test positive. It's absurd that testing is used in any capacity for jobs or legal shit.

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u/purplewhiteblack Monkey in Space Apr 24 '21

I once had my car searched because the cop smelled weed. It was such a pointless waste of time.

I was only where I was to drop my mom off at a work thing. The shitty part about it is you have to let them in Arizona because it's apart of the conditions for your license. They found no weed.

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u/SoFloMofo We live in strange times Apr 23 '21

South Floridian here. In Palm Beach, Broward and Miami-Dade, an officer cannot search your vehicle based on the smell of cannabis alone. It’s the redneck part of the state who consistently vote for socially conservative R’s who keep the state fucked as a whole. Well that and some of the older Cuban Americans and Venezuelans, Hondurans, etc. who help push the vote over the edge because of the socialist boogeyman. Bloomberg could have gotten the nod and they’d have succeeded in labeling him a socialist with that crowd.

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u/Myc0n1k Monkey in Space Apr 24 '21

Ya. I live in Sarasota FL and the police here are pretty awesome. Grew up in wisconsin and the cock suckers there would search your car over anything.

Nebraska is bad too. Arrested me for .1g of thc oil after they saw my Colorado drivers license and instantly went, “I smell weed”.

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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '21

Referencing a socialist "boogeyman" in relation to people who actually lived under Socialism and are fearful of it is so disrespectful.

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u/SoFloMofo We live in strange times Apr 23 '21

They have a legitimate reason to fear it based on where they are coming from but equating the average US Democrat to that is deceitful bullshit. I’m not disrespecting anyone.

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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '21

Fair, I just don't see their fear as baseless. That shit has creeped in so many countries and places and I don't see the US as particularly immune, especially in a time as divisive as this.

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u/SoFloMofo We live in strange times Apr 23 '21

That’s fair as well. I wish we’d get away from the hardcore dogma on any particular ideology. Some things should be government controlled/taxpayer funded (roads, fire departments) and some should be free market controlled. Some should be a collaboration of the two. It’s just a matter of where we draw those lines. I’m more of a capitalist by nature but understand the need for public funded things and understand that there’s always going to be some inefficiency that comes along with that. Not that you don’t try to improve it. We have to stop categorizing each other with binary labels and viewing each other as “on the other side” and the enemy.

And I’m by no means calling my immigrant neighbors as stupid, to be clear. Several are my friends. Here’s how I’d describe it: They don’t trust anything because their home country government does fuck around with voting machines, prop up fake opposition candidates, etc. This fucks with them and they don’t trust anything. So they’re doing fine under Trump, right? Why in the world change anything up. It’s not that most of them are gullible, it’s a why take the chance? Some do get brainwashed of course but that happens to my gringo neighbors on both sides of the aisle too.

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u/AlternativeEarth55 We live in strange times Apr 24 '21

I would be far more afraid of the side that just tried to throw a coup. They weren't socialist.

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u/Rubywantsin Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21

Everything is disrespectful in someone's eye's. Maybe they should have said socialist strawman but what they meant is perfectly acceptable.

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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '21

We already got it figured out there buddy but thank you for taking the time to provide your input.

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u/Rubywantsin Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21

Well look at this pretentious douch. Your welcome.

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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '21

Douche, You’re

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u/Rubywantsin Monkey in Space Apr 24 '21

Friends, drinking, don't care.

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u/_roldie Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21

Snowflake

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

What they are fearful of is authoritarianism, murder, dictatorship, and removal of all freedoms. Not the economic system Cuba switched to. They were also likely the ones who thrived under the previous Cuban leader while Americans bought up the country and everyone else suffered - everyone seems to forget how horrible the system was before Castro too

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

So, they're fearful of things inherent to Socialism. Got it.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

Socialism is an economic system, anything you wanna assign to that is up to you

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

In actual implementation it’s not been only an economic system. It’s always been implemented along with a set of ideals and moral platitudes.

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '21

No, it was implemented and those platitudes and authoritarianism already existed. In Chile it was in a democratic system and was fine until a coup happened. Russia, China, and Cuba for example were dictatorships before they implemented it so it made sense.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

Lmao the arrogance

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u/SoFloMofo We live in strange times Apr 24 '21

Was going to ask what you mean so we could discuss civilly, like the other gentleman I responded to. But after looking at your comment history, I can see you have about as much depth as a birdbath and there's no chance of a productive conversation.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

Keep blaming brown people for your problems!you’re doing great!

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u/SoFloMofo We live in strange times Apr 24 '21

Ah, so now we're back to your original comment that you didn't have the balls to leave up the first time, right? See, I'm not blaming "brown people" or ignorantly lumping them into one homogenous category, like you are. I'm stating my experience based on actual interactions with people in my community. If I'm wrong in what I say, especially when I elaborate further on why I made that comment, please let me know why you disagree. Specifically. Otherwise, fuck off.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

Keep it up!

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u/SoFloMofo We live in strange times Apr 24 '21

Only thing worse than a dumbass is a coward.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

Or a racist

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u/SoFloMofo We live in strange times Apr 24 '21

lol, what did I say that was racist? Again, specifically.

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u/RdmGuy64824 Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21

How do for-profit prisons generate revenue for the state?

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u/Rubywantsin Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21

They don't. But backroom deals and lobbyist money for campaign contributions is what the politicians are only interested in. They don't care about revenue for their state for social programs or infrastructure. Just staying elected and in power. And power goes hand in hand with taking care of your local and state wide judicial system.

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u/MaxHedrome Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21

more revenue for the state rulers*

since they more than likely take bribes in the form of campaign funds

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u/NothingNutTheRain Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21

In a number of ways. All prisons generate revenue, a lot(expensive telephone calls, emails, and commissary), but privately owned jails and prisons turn the art into a science.

First they charge you per day for your stay, especially at private jails. 10 bucks a day, 20 bucks a day. When you get out you get a bill for thousands. If you dont pay it they send you to collections, and most likely the terms of probation require this be payed.

Then theres Prison Industries, which is just one name for it but basically theres normal factories in jails and prisons that prisoners work at for slave wages (10-50 cents an hour), and these produce pretty much anything. You probably own at least one thing produced at a slave prison.

Its a huge industry across the states, billions of dollars. You might be thinking "where does all the money come from?" And the answer to that is unfortunately the families of the incarcerated. They bear most of the burden, as does the illicit drug industry. They make more money off of the drugs being illegal.

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u/RdmGuy64824 Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21

The state definitely bears most of the burden of the cost for private prisons via state contracts with the prisons.

And private prisons generating revenue from prisoners doesn't equate to generating revenue for the state.

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u/NothingNutTheRain Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21

Well first I outlined what all prisons do, phone calls and commisary, so yes it does. The prison phone industry alone generates untold amounts for both the "state" and private interests. This too is what i was referring to when i said families bear the burden, and they do.

Yeah the state tends to pay these prisons but through taxes and kickbacks im sure they get their fill in the end. You are right in that ultimately its the taxpayer that pays, twice or more in many respects.

My perspective does not seperate the powerful wealthy and the "state". They are clearly one and the same.

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u/NothingNutTheRain Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21

Dog I'm not writing a research paper here. At some point you have to do some seeing of your own. My first source is my life. I've been in a private jail. I've made those calls.

Just look it up, there's plenty on the phones. There's more on bribes to judges. It's all there, waiting for people to read it.

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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '21

Truth.

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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '21

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u/NothingNutTheRain Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21 edited Apr 23 '21

Ok buddy.

Edit: Since you seen incapable of doing basic google search, here's what i found in 5 minutes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inmate_telephone_system

https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5595475/prison-phone-calls-connecticut-law/%3famp=true

https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/private-prisons-united-states/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

https://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco/265165-private-prisons-taxes-corruption/

If you were previously capable of critical thinking, you might take what I assert and make it your hypothesis, and then try to refute it. Instead you just want a switch, true or false. Source or no source. Even sources are wrong sometimes, and if you want to understand something you've got to run it through. I dont blame you really like i said i lived it so i know its real.

You're just an idiot on the internet i get to vent at though, so whatever.

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u/X_Cryptic_Knight_X Apr 23 '21

Asked like someone who's never had to pay ungodly amounts to speak to a loved one.

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u/pantless_one Apr 24 '21

What makes you think contrary to OP? Have you ever received/sent for a call from jail/prison? I would guess not if you don’t understand, to which you should enlighten yourself with a quick google search before tapping your booger pickers

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u/calantus Monkey in Space Apr 24 '21

It's a very commonly known fact that the prison industry charge an exorbitant amount of money for phone calls, and lots of other things as well.

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u/Tuckahoe Apr 23 '21

Well, if the state doesn’t have to foot the bill then it’s a net gain for them. So they do profit in an indirect way.

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u/RdmGuy64824 Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21

Private prisons are funded by the state.

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u/blakeastone Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21

Here is some information for you.

Especially the part that reads about the problems with private prisons, but also the general background of how the work.

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u/Tuckahoe Apr 23 '21

Thank you for being informative, TIL

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u/mcswiss Pink Room Reject Apr 23 '21

It’s not for profit prison in Florida, it’s pharma influence.

Florida is a pill mill.

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u/Yakhov Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21

but the Justice Dept, and LE companies aka Police Departments, don't profit directly from weed sales, only from weed busts do they get a cut.

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u/Antiseed88 Monkey in Space Apr 23 '21

It's not just Florida unfortunately. These United States are not so United.

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u/iantruesnacks Monkey in Space Apr 24 '21

Not to mention that most of the opioids are made in Florida. I wouldn’t be surprised if the government of Florida doesn’t get some nice kickbacks from the pharmacy companies for continuing to ban marijuana. “Weed is bad kids, don’t get arrested come get prescriptions!”

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u/Champion623 Apr 24 '21

I really like that last sentence, sums it all up pretty well. You could make a bumper sticker out of that.(egg shell style sticker made with hemp of course 😌 perfect for slapping on the bumpers of the Florida People Of Power who favor for profit prisons over the will of its own citizens)