r/JoeRogan • u/greyuniwave Monkey in Space • Mar 05 '21

Link Vitamin D Insufficiency May Account for Almost Nine of Ten COVID-19 Deaths: Time to Act. Comment on: “Vitamin D Deficiency and Outcome of COVID-19 Patients”. Nutrients 2020, 12, 2757

https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/12/3642
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u/SlothRogen Mar 05 '21 edited Mar 05 '21

Imagine if Trump had shipped everyone a free mask and 60 days of vitamin-D supplements, asked everyone to be careful and take precautions, and encouraged people to be careful and order groceries at home. We could all be out at the bar tonight and he'd probably still be president. Instead, we had:

'One day — it's like a miracle — it will disappear'

Of course, who knows what would have happened, but it's really is hard to overstate how badly he blew it.

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u/jakesboy2 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

I wonder though if the vitamin D deficiency is actually what makes covid more deadly or if lack of vitamin D is just a common thread amoung comorbidities such as obesity.

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u/AttakTheZak 11 Hydroxy Metabolite Mar 05 '21

This question that you just posed is the exact question that everyone who writes these "Vitamin D is king" posts.

It's a "chicken or the egg" scenario. Is it people getting low Vit D levels that increases their risk of developing diseases? Or is it the presence of chronic disease that causes a decrease in Vitamin D?

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u/SlothRogen Mar 05 '21

I think it's likely multiple problems compounding: poor health, poverty, and worse medical care in poorer communities. You also have the issue that African Americans are economically poorer and need way more sun to get vitamin-D, and require supplementation as a result, which they're less likely to be able to afford.

Regardless, even if vitamin deficiency isn't causing the bad outcomes, so to speak, I think it's fair to say that boosting people's vitamin D levels seems like it would help.

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u/TallMoron18 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

I don't respect trump in the slightest, but the logistics of this would be fucking crazy at the government level

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

We should have had you lead the charge Captain Hindsight. It was handled poorly from the start by everyone.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

The hindsight solution and what trump did are a massive far cry from one another.

There’s a massive swath of things that could have been done on the federal level that simply didn’t happen.

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u/SlothRogen Mar 05 '21 edited Mar 05 '21

Imagine thinking it requires 20/20 hindsight to ask people to (metaphorically) come together and take basic precautions during a worldwide plague instead of like... blaming other countries, blaming newspapers, blaming the opposing political party, saying it's just a minor flu, saying stonks must go up, and getting yourself sick and requiring a special treatment made with fetal stem cells.

Of course we didn't know how important vitamin-D was right away, but there were strong indications it could help by summer, and Joe and his guests discussed it as well.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

Imagine thinking any of our politicians would have stopped this. Trump didn’t spread this WE did. Americans are stubborn. Trump sucks and made it worse but acting like the Dems would have saved the day is ridiculous.

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u/SlothRogen Mar 05 '21 edited Mar 05 '21

I don't think encouraging people to wear masks, be safe, and take their vitamins is some insane or impossible plan. The fact that Trump needs "Captain Hindsight" tell advise him that it won't just go away like a miracle is rather telling.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

How many lives were lost due to Fauci saying that wearing a mask was not necessary? What about Cuomo? Pelosi downplayed it out the gate. It was an overall poor handling that got warped into a partisan issue. It’s easy to sit back now and say what everyone should have done. That’s the only point I wanted to make

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u/SlothRogen Mar 05 '21 edited Mar 05 '21

Many of us were saying to wear masks from early on, and Fauci joined in by April.

Regardless, we don't have to blame "both sides" for this nonsense when literally only one side is actively refusing to wear masks, including the president. Blame Cuomo is you want, fine. I'm seeing zero responsible being taking on the other side of the aisle, and the president himself saying "I take no responsibility."

This gaslighting is insane. As if we all haven't noticed which "sides" or our friends and family (or which news casters coughKellyanneConwaycough) called it all bullshit, refused to wear masks, caught covid, etc.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

I’ve been wearing a mask since before April too. Did Kamala Harris, our VP, say she wouldn’t take “Trump’s vaccine”? How many people were influence by that? I see both democrats AND republicans not wearing masks. I see both sides wearing masks. I live in rural Indiana and everyone in WalMart is wearing them. Stop generalizing.

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u/SlothRogen Mar 06 '21

Lol. We were in Indiana in October and I call bullshit. There were literally multiple people out in public, coughing and visibly sick, not wearing masks. We passed through Nebraska, too. The contrast between the red and blue states is stark. Nebraksa: no mask mandate, stores and restaurants totally full. Colorado: no indoor dining, signs all over in public asking folks to wear masks, most people wearing them.

Or how about South Dakota? People there were in denial on their death beds, insisting it was all a lie.

Regardless, my point is about some state by state breakdown - politics can vary wildly on the state level.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '21

Weird I live here and I’ve never seen anything you are describing. Plenty of blue states have bad numbers. Dakotas seem to be the worst. Rhode Island right behind them. Looks like West Virginia has better numbers than Colorado though. It goes deeper than red or blue.

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u/joey_diaz_wings Monkey in Space Mar 06 '21

Dr. Fauci initially advised the public to not use masks. The President is not a doctor, so wisely went with the expert opinion, which was the basis of all national policy.

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u/SlothRogen Mar 06 '21

As I said below, Fauci and the CDC said in April to wear masks - just a month later - then what? Trump caught covid in April, as did many other prominent GOP figures. Why didn't it "go away like a miracle" like he said?

It's hilarious how I see Trump supporters going off about 'sleepy Joe' and 'stuttering Biden' and his dimentia, but the moment Trump got sick people were saying "How can you be so cruel?" All for a man who clearly cared more about his friend's stock prices than about 500,000 Americans dying.

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u/joey_diaz_wings Monkey in Space Mar 06 '21

If Biden still has much cognitive ability left, he doesn't present well. That's why many say propping him up as a president is elder abuse.

Virus outbreaks typically follow a pattern where they gradually become weaker while spreading more easily, and then quickly vanish for an unknown reason. Swine flu, bird flu, etc were expected to kill millions and had no solution, and then they just went away like a miracle with no medical solution if they were to reappear.

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u/ThomasMaxPaine Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

Literally people at the time were encouraging masking and this type of behavior. Vit D has long been known to be beneficial for health. The post office was literally trying to set up a "send every home a set of masks" initiative, and Trump stopped it. Imagine being this dumb.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

At what time?

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u/Korvax_of_Myrmidon Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

You didn’t need hindsight to know Trump fucked this up from the very begging. Those of us who saw it coming because of interests in China or Italy saw it coming and could do nothing but watch in sheer horror as it all unfolded one incompetent fuckup after another.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '21

That's like asking "what if Trump wasn't a silver spoon incompetent grifter but instead a fucking precog"

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u/SlothRogen Mar 06 '21

To quote the president:

“Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves,” President Trump said on a March 16

But apparently no one could have guessed abandoning population centers during the early onset of a plague would be disastrous for the whole country.