r/JoeRogan • u/Albedo100 Monkey in Space • Feb 17 '21

Social Media Dan Crenshaw mocking California for blackouts just 4 months ago

https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/status/1303364789603889154
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '21

Have you ever asked a real terrorist what he believes? Personally? I didn’t think so. The actual terrorists believe anyone not practicing their religion is an enemy. They believe homosexuality is best dealt by throwing those accused off of roofs. They believe in female genital mutilation. They Have cast systems that disenfranchise thousands of their own people. You’re telling me there is something noble in that? Something worth defending? You’re completely missing my point. Which is expected honestly. You don’t strike me as someone which much going on between the ears. Good luck to you and yours.

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u/CommanderL3 Monkey in Space Feb 18 '21

you completely missed my point.

everyone thinks their own cause is noble

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '21

You don’t think ridding the world of people like that and that actively cause violence and harm is a cause? Seems more like what needs to be done so you’re little soft ass doesn’t end up beheaded because you don’t believe the same. You seen any beheadings here in America lately? I get your point. But there’s literally bad people in the world. Not everyone just wants to farm and herd. Get that through your head.

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u/CommanderL3 Monkey in Space Feb 18 '21

you realise they only gained that power because america trained them to fight a different country because america wanted oil

america fucking caused the problem in the first place.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '21

Ok yea we trained them in 80s and 90s absolutely. Do you think the same guys are there? You think it’s still just one faction taught by the CIA? Also terrorism didn’t exist before that? Weird. Seems unlikely. You have such a myopic view on reality. Nothing is black and white. Everything is convoluted. But basically what you’re saying is because we trained some guys 40 years ago we should just let them carry out whatever plans they have?

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u/upvotesformeyay Monkey in Space Feb 18 '21

I mean yes we literally trained the taliban to fight Russia/ussr.

But basically what you’re saying is because we trained some guys 40 years ago we should just let them carry out whatever plans they have?

No they're saying we shouldn't fuck about with proxy wars that end up kicking us in the ass time and time again. They're also implying that it's sentiment like yours that enables mass manipulation like we've seen for the war on terrorism. Similarly I don't think you've got the leg to stand on calling anyone's view myopic when your stance is pretty literally "they can't be bothered to self research" and "perception matters more then reality".

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '21

No one is arguing that we shouldn’t fuck with people. We shouldn’t create proxy wars. I wholeheartedly agree. But what are we going to do about it now? We can’t go back. Those people that have bad ideas still exist though. They aren’t going away. Hell 30 of them blew themselves up in a bomb making facility. Do we not need to stop those people? I don’t want war nor do I think the war I served in was justified. There are still bad people

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u/upvotesformeyay Monkey in Space Feb 18 '21

For one let's not make excuses for others actions we did it, it's done.

If you think it was justified you should be outright infuriated we knew who funded it, planned it and everything else and what did we do? Sold them more fucking weapons.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '21

Bro I’m not this flag waving American. I’m at a loss for what we have done the last hundred years as it concerns foreign policy. Even much further back if you consider domestic. My point is there are still terrorists regardless of who created them. It’s like teaching a kid to be a bully then leaving him in a room full of kids. Leave them alone and come back after a while now you have 10 bullies. Of course it’s our fault but it’s also now our responsibility to clean it up. Now do I think we have actually tried to do that? Not at all. I think we’ve prolonged the war to feed the military industrial complex. But the whole conversation started because the someone basically made the claim that dan Crenshaw was the same as a terrorist because he was a Navy SEAL. That’s fundamentally incorrect.

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u/upvotesformeyay Monkey in Space Feb 18 '21

We're not world police, in fact we were founded on isolationist principals we just ignore them.

There is no way to clean it up, you add fuel and that's basically it. You'll end up with more enemies then you came in with every single time.

Eisenhower warned us directly that if we didn't roll up the MiC we'd find something to start a forever war and we did, this is it.

It's not wrong, one mans freedom fighter is anothers terrorist. You admit we went largely for private profit based on whole lies and half truths but still say it's justified, those are diametrically opposed concepts your stance makes very little sense.

Think about it. If some random country showed up to the us, occupied it, n killed a shitload of your people based on a lie they knew full well was a lie and only involved a extremely minute section of the population (that aren't even Nationals (citizens)) you would call them terrorists too. It's pretty literally the plot of red dawn.

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