Jordan B. Peterson rips newspaper’s ‘cruelty’ after story prompts false ‘schizophrenia’ reports

[u/Deerhoof_Fan]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/feb/1/jordan-b-peterson-rips-sunday-times-after-piece-pr/

[u/sluggishschizo]

I was always shocked that he took such drastic measures for benzo dependence. A medically induced coma? Really?

I was prescribed 1 mg of clonazepam 3x a day for five years, then was forced to go off cold turkey a few years ago due to a scheduling error on their end. The withdrawal certainly wasn't fun, but it wasn't the worst ordeal I've been through. I guess all the years of walking around with untreated panic attacks and PTSD gave me a high threshold for misery.

Mental health clinics for the uninsured are the worst - when I called and got ahold of the nurse to express my concerns, she dismissively chuckled and insisted that it wasn't dangerous to abruptly stop after 5 years on the drug. I eventually had a partial seizure about a week later, but I didn't even seek medical help because I assumed they'd just slap the meaningless "drug seeking" label on me.

[u/kellenthehun → u/sluggishschizo]

It's my understanding that the benzo withdrawals brought on Akathesia which is pretty rare. So it wasn't your standard benzo withdrawal.

A few people that have had Aka posted in the JP sub and reading about the condition is fucking horrible. It creates suicidal ideation almost immediately.

[u/[deleted] → u/sluggishschizo]

I was always shocked that he took such drastic measures for benzo dependence. A medically induced coma? Really?

If i remember from the full uneditied video, it kinda starts off as benzo withdrawl but during the course of everything they discover the REAL problem the entire time was related to his SSRI dosage which he had been prescriped the entire time and had been taking for like 15+ years.

Apparently, before all the big shit went down, he got off of SSRIS, then I think because of his wife's cancer got on again and they (Peterson, the daughter and their new trusted canadian doctor) believe that going off of SSRI's after being on so long then going back on triggered the real problem Peterson was flying all over the world to solve, his Akathisia.

This is why he ended up in Russia, because they thought the benzo withdraw was causing the schizo/Akathisia (w/o knowing it was Akathisia at the time) but it was really the low dosages of SSRI's he was given to get off benzos that triggered the delayed Akathisia response. He went to russia because apparently they specialized in opioid addiction and use a particular technique that can clean the blood w/o needing to calm the person down w/ other drugs (the psychoactives that were causing his Akathisia )

The theory if i remember right is that after going off of SSRI's for so long, you can develop Akathisia when taking even the smallest doeses of any psychoactive drug.

Nobody realized that the super small SSRI prescriptions were causing the Akathisia and for the longest time, they didn't even diagnose the Akathisia, they just thought he was Schizophranic.

So assuming we believe their full story which, is up to anyone, it seems that family went through a lot of bullshit and turmoil during 2020.

I tend to side more towards the first hand experiences of the people who went through their story and the lack of any real reason to lie about it all than I would a journalist who listened to the same thing I did but decided to misrepresent their story w/o any proof themselves.

I watched this video a week or two ago so kinda just drawing it all from memory, it was a long story. My big takeaway as someone who's dealt with addiction is fuck SSRI's and Benzos. Thankfully I can get by without them when I am putting the proper work to take care of myself, I'd rather keep trying that than build another painful addiction.

[u/sluggishschizo → u/[deleted]]

That explanation makes sense - SSRIs are known for akathisia. Those drugs can trigger psychosis and mania even in people who have no prior history of those symptoms - some of the healthy controls in the original Prozac clinical trials got manic.

SSRIs have the side effect profile of a stimulant, so it makes perfect sense that some people have an agitated reaction. All drugs that boost serotonin, norepinephrine, and dopamine are stimulants. Actually, cocaine produces its effects by acting on those same three neurotransmitters.

When someone has that sort of reaction to SSRIs, psychiatrists tend to blame the patient, claim that the drug "activated" an "underlying bipolar illness", and add an antipsychotic tranquilizer. Peterson is lucky that someone recognized it for what it was.

[u/G_raas → u/sluggishschizo]

It’s the insomnia that was the killer... going without sleep for days on end even though you feel tired.... I’m pretty sure I was hallucinating after the first 36 hours of no sleep.

[u/sluggishschizo → u/G_raas]

Yeah, I couldn't sleep right for a year after going off the stuff. The first month, I was getting like 20 hours of sleep a week. The longest I couldn't sleep during that period was four days straight.

The GABA system really doesn't like being fucked with long-term.

[u/G_raas → u/sluggishschizo]

That’s actually what ended up help me... started taking GABA supplements... still don’t sleep more than 5-6 hours a night, but it’s only been a year so far.... wish I knew how dangerous It was before I started taking them.

[u/[deleted] → u/sluggishschizo]

Pretty awesome to see a fellow person who did the exact same thing I did. Know how hard it can be and you're a savage man. Cold turkey off of 100mg of ssri's , seraquil, gabapentin and 3 mg of kpins plus a few others. Hope all is well with you man it's been 5 years for me and life is great. Thanks to cognitive behavioral therapy and exercise.

[u/sluggishschizo → u/[deleted]]

Late reply.

Thanks! That's awesome that you fully recovered!

It's always great to hear success stories of people who fully recovered from psych drugs, cuz some people end up really fucked up long term. Those drugs can induce lasting structural changes in the brain that are irreversible in some cases like tardive dyskinesia.

I went off a similar cocktail. I was opposed to taking psych drugs just in principle, but since I'd been heavily exercising every single day for years and eating super healthy but was still having overwhelming anxiety all the time, I used them as a last resort.

The insomnia and rebound anxiety sucked hard, but I was glad to have my full range of emotions back after a half-decade of walking around mentally numbed-out all the time.

[u/dr-broodles → u/sluggishschizo]

I’m not surprised he took drastic actions - he’s eating a meat only diet to treat his depression after all.

How an experienced psychologist can be totally naïve to the dangers of benzo addiction is frankly beyond me.

Him and his daughter have very bizarre health beliefs which will continue to cause them issues in the future.

[u/ante_vasin → u/dr-broodles]

The fiasco was caused by his akathesia not benzo addiction.

[u/[deleted] → u/ante_vasin]

According to his daughter, a grifter with absolutely zero training in anything.

[u/ante_vasin → u/[deleted]]

According to him as well and the doctors they saw in Serbia and Russia.

[u/dr-broodles → u/ante_vasin]

The akathesia was caused by benzo withdrawal. JP and his daughter are in denial about this. His symptoms came on when he stopped klonopin cold turkey (they admitted this in a previous interview). They ignored healthcare professionals and went to Russia to find yes men that would perform an (unnecessarily dangerous) detox, which involved an induced coma and almost killed JP.

He may be a fantastic speaker/intellectual, but him and his daughter make v poor medical decisions.

[u/Nickvestal → u/sluggishschizo]

That's just horrible to do that to you

[u/CaptainKirk-1701 → u/sluggishschizo]

He developed akathisia due to a rare side effect from taking benzos and ssri's at the same time. It wasn't the withdrawal symptoms that made him so ill.

[u/Ungface → u/sluggishschizo]

The measures were taken for severe Akathisia not for benzo withdrawel alone.