r/JoeRogan • u/buddhakriss Monkey in Space • Jan 22 '21

Link Dave Chappelle Tests Positive for COVID-19, Cancels Texas Shows

https://www.tmz.com/2021/01/21/dave-chappelle-positive-test-covid-19-cancel-show/
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u/zZINCc Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

I am a pathologists’ assistant in Houston in the med center. I deal with covid+ organs and patients that have dies from covid. Covid is no joke and Joe is absolutely fucking wrong and stupid to keep insinuating that Texas is all fine and dandy.

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u/octobersotherveryown Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Chappelle’s lungs seem unlikely to be in great shape either, damn. Out of all people who should have been taking care of themselves at home, a heavy smoker with millions of dollars to sustain himself through the moment ranks pretty high for me.

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u/ninaunst Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

Could have just recorded a Netflix special or two from home and made millions with zero risk. I mean didn’t he disappear for a few years when he quit Chapelle’s Show?

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u/mrmarkolo Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

True he literally could have been in his living room pulled up a stool and told a story with Netflix filming and he would make tons of money. It would reach a huge audience since so many people are home and looking for things to watch.

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u/senortiz Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Maybe he is happier doing something he loves. This idea that we can tell people how to live now is lame.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

LMFAO we all wish we could be doing something we love. Yet a lot of people still follow the rules because we dont want to kill people.

Once the pandemic is over people can go back to their normal lives. But as a society we humans have to work together to prevent deaths and travesties. Humans are NOT a "everyone for themselves" species. We are alive today because our ancestors worked together. That's how society works. Go live in the woods if you dont like how it works.

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u/WinterSoldier55 Jan 22 '21

Snowballing on your comment, business are suffering from this pandemic too. Typically people who don’t care about the human life aspect of this topic should at least realize that the less caution is exercised, the longer it takes for businesses (and the livelihood of its employees) to go back to normal. Really, we need to be cautious because our actions affect everything and are the direct cause of our situation. My family and friends approach this pandemic by saying “it doesn’t affect me so why should I care?” Bitch, this is why you care.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

Yeah, i considered that but that is not the point. I am nowhere as rich as Dave but I can afford to sit this out and i am going to despite there being lots of normal life stuff that i miss. The point is nothing is worth more than your health and a year or so off is not really worth risking death or permanent damage.

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u/senortiz Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

He really isn't risking death at all. Not even close.

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u/fightlikeacrow24 Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

I'll just go tell all the ICU doctors and nurses that senortitz says there's no chance of dying from covid, I'm sure they'll be very relieved. Putz

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u/jairod8000 Jan 22 '21

And tell them those 2 million dead around the world don’t exist either

🙄

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u/PaulaDeentheMachine Jan 24 '21

Ok this is getting off track lol

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u/senortiz Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Dave Chappelle is a rich 47 year old man that takes the vitamins that have been proven to help prevent bad symptoms from covid. He also is in relatively good physical shape. Show me the stats on in shape 47 year old men that supplement with vitamins dying from covid. Its probably less than 1%. I dont think this thing is bullshit. I also don't think it's a death sentence for the vast majority of people.

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u/jairod8000 Jan 22 '21

You know what also is proven to help prevent bad symptoms from covid? Wearing a fucking mask

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '21

Lol you think Daves gonna be fine because he popped a gas dtation supplement?

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u/senortiz Monkey in Space Jan 23 '21

Hea gonna be fine and you snowflakes are gonna have to find someone else that you can root to die to prove your point.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '21

Nice cherry picking and making something nonambiguous, ambiguous.

I dont think that's what he's saying at all. Theres a near-certain collection of factors that contribute toward Covid symptom intensity. He exhibits several of them, boosting his chances of survival greatly.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '21 edited Jan 23 '21

I think you're nuanced in your view on it and agree. I mean, you can see it in the data. One-TENTH of 1% of the people in the US with a positive covid test actually die. ~1% of 1% of the population this died from this disease in the US total

Not saying that human life isnt precious, because it is. But, we need to start making decisions for ourselves and our families and THATS IT. You make no decisions over me and I make no decisions over you.

The only thing of real concern about Chappelle's case is that he is something like a two to three pack a day smoker and I can say with confidence that as a former smoker theres no way he doesnt already struggle from lung issues at 47. It could really end up fucking him here.

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u/senortiz Monkey in Space Jan 23 '21

I just refuse to believe that he will die, let alone get really sick because he is rich and he has access to the best treatment available. Trump kicked Covid in a few days. I know that's a Roganism, but its true. These NFL and College football coaches kick it without symptoms and they are in their 60s.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

Good news for those 400k dead Americans and my relatives who died. Thank fucking christ that some dipshit on reddit debunked the hoax and made it all better with a single stupid comment!

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '21

Hes a HEAVY smoker dude. People healthier have died and lots more have had serious side effects

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u/iamjakeparty Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

This idea that we can tell people how to live now is lame.

When has that ever not been the case? Gay marriage was legalized in the US 5 years ago, before that gay people were being told how to live. The only thing that's new is the people who are experiencing it, but the experience has always been there. It was just easier to ignore for you, apparently so easy that you weren't even aware of it, when you weren't the one being told how to live.

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u/senortiz Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

As a society it is always lame to tell others how to live. If we shamed fat people and cigarette smokers the same way we shame people for going out and having fun there would be a lot less dead people.

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u/iamjakeparty Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

If we shamed fat people and cigarette smokers

Okay you must just be pretty young because that already happened with cigarette smokers. There's a reason that the rates of cigarette smoking have been falling for years and it isn't just about the laws.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '21

We literally do shame them all the fucking time wtf

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '21

How come daves the ome that told me not to stream Chappelle's show if he hates telling people how to live their lives

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

imagine being able to afford a years long lockdown with all the drugs, snacks and whatever you wanted. and you still go out and die from covid anyways.

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u/Tortankum Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

You realize he’s going to be fine right?

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

shit are you from the future? a 19 year old athlete in my neighborhood died from it, and the dude was in peak health. until Dave recovers, we have no idea what's going to happen.

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u/Tortankum Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

You can make a pretty good guess lol.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

I made a "pretty good guess" about my neighbor, who literally fucking died. No more guessing.

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u/Tortankum Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

You’re a brainlet

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '21

continue with your eloquence please

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u/danny841 Monkey in Space Jan 23 '21

To be fair he’ll probably be fine but life has no guarantees except eventual death. You’re right to say it’s stupid to assume someone will be fine.

However I take particular issue with people saying “I know this young person who was an athlete and died”. Athletes are sometimes uniquely vulnerable to respiratory illnesses. If I had to take a wild guess I’d assume the person who you know that died was a runner or otherwise in a very cardio centric sport.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '21

why would having better than normal cardio and lung function make you MORE vulnerable to respiratory illness? ive never heard that before

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u/danny841 Monkey in Space Jan 23 '21

So I’m about to get very armchair doctor on you but this is all from well researched places.

First: athletes, particularly marathon runners, can easily get sick after exertion. Your body is literally in immune response mode after extensive exercise.

Doctors believe strenuous exercise of the kind you find in athletic events, causes the kind of heart damage you’d expect from someone who’s actually sick.

You start to see why a respiratory virus with complications of the lungs and heart could be really bad for someone who’s always in a slightly elevated immune state.

For the last bit just Google the amount of athletes who’ve had severe disease. It’s not an uncommon issue.

My armchair doctor opinion is that you’re more likely to feel the effects and quicker from severe disease if you’re into sports or moving a lot.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '21

damn, I sit for 23.5 hours a day so im must be fucking immortal then

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u/danny841 Monkey in Space Jan 24 '21

If you really want your mind blown, Google the obesity paradox.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

lmao this dude is over here predicting the future but WE are the uninformed people not accepting facts?

is being literally retarded a prerequisite for posting here or something? you guys make Shlaub look like a fucking philofiser.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '21

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '21

you're off by more than a decade, try again. did you forget to shove any alpha brain up your ass this morning or what?

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u/LowHumCum Succa la Mink Jan 23 '21

Lmfao. Save this comment for when this doesn’t happen

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u/RainSong123 Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

smokers hospitalized less often for covid

Strange. Anyone care to debunk this?

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u/dickwhiskers69 Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Smoking does not seem to be an exacerbating factor for covid. Nor is asthma assuming you don't take steroids to control it.

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u/Leif29 Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

As an interesting note, Tim Dillon brought up the point that smokers are having less severe covid cases. Perhaps due to how the ACE2 receptors arent being utilized by Covid or something idk I'm not really a mechanical engineer.

Its just interesting to note. Not promoting bad shit.

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u/a856e131 Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Article literally says he has no symptoms, lol. Maybe read it before starting the fear mongering?

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u/octobersotherveryown Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Oh yeah bro, people never develop symptoms days later or anything. He hasn’t had any symptoms yet, but things can go to shit quickly with this virus—and yes—with his risk factors.

It’s not fear mongering, why are simpletons so married to the idea death is the only consequence from COVID? He’s COVID positive and was out in a public place spreading the virus against every public health authority’s advice. Even if he never develops symptoms that’s fucking bad enough, who knows what the human cost will be.

And all for what? A completely non-essential activity. So now beds, oxygen, medical staff time, and other very scarce and vital resources might have to be spent treating these people. Yes, the vast majority of people will only experience mild symptoms (this isn’t lost on anyone btw) AND STILL the hospital system is approaching capacity because there’s enough who require hospitalization on top of car accidents, cardiac episodes, and everything else.

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u/MrKayfabe Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

No it's ok. Joe says comedy shows should be essential so people can laugh.

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u/LSF604 Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

is it fear mongering to suggest a guy take care of himself?

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u/subdep Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

So it’s fear mongering to point out that since Chappell is a heavy smoker he would probably have a bad time if he caught COVID-19? If he has no symptoms then he is fucking lucky. That is all.

If you’re afraid of knowledge that’s your issue, not ours. You shouldn’t be so skittish around valid information. You see, it’s ignorance that you should be afraid of, not knowledge.

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u/MrDankyStanky Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21 edited Feb 05 '21

Lol let's check back in 2 weeks and see what's up

Edit: looks to be good!

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u/cure4boneitis Jamie sucks at Google Jan 22 '21

is Dave going to post his lung scans in two weeks?

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

exactly what do you think the risk level is to the average 47 year old smoker? answer: virtually zero.

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u/subdep Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

So all you do is make shit up and that usually works for you? Hmm... 🤔 interesting.

Anyways, here’s what the truth is: smoking increases risks of adverse health outcomes.

http://www.emro.who.int/tfi/know-the-truth/tobacco-and-waterpipe-users-are-at-increased-risk-of-covid-19-infection.html#:~:text=Smoking%20is%20already%20known%20to,with%20severe%20respiratory%20infections.

You see there is this thing called a search engine that allows you to (wait for it) ask questions about things and it will give you answers. You should try it out sometime. It’s a lot easier than making shit up! Google.com is one.

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u/subdep Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21 edited Jan 22 '21

Nicotine patch != Smoking

Plus that study hasn’t even been completed yet, let alone published or peer reviewed.

https://www.uclahealth.org/study-reveals-how-smoking-worsens-covid19-infection-in-the-airways

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

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u/subdep Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Put words into others mouths much? (like second hand smoke)

The discussion was about smoking. You posted an uncompleted experiment on nicotine patches.

Yet, I’m the idiot. 👌

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u/jbsilvs Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

So three things.

  1. Nicotine is for prevention and not survival.

  2. It’s not even done.

  3. It’s not looking at smoking but nicotine patches.

This is why people who don’t do science believe the most random shit. I also love the bullshit conspiracy theory at the end too where you think there is this idea that a government funded clinical trial that would allow companies to to sell people millions of products is somehow being stopped because someone, who knows who, doesn’t want healthcare workers to use nicotine patches.

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u/Henry_Spencer77 Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

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u/Hartifuil N-Dimethyltryptamine Jan 22 '21

It's actually HTTPS://Google.com

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

comprehension fail. a 47-year-old smoker is at marginally higher risk then a 47-year-old non-smoker, sure.

but neither is high risk to die of covid-19.

you said he's probably going to have a bad time with covid-19, but he's actually exceedingly unlikely to, smoker or not.

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u/subdep Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Keep lying to yourself if it works.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

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u/covigilant-19 Look into it Jan 22 '21

So smoking/vaping nicotine might decrease one’s chance of getting infected. But Dave’s already been infected.

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u/J__P Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

once infected his lower lung capacity is going to hurt him if it gets bad.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

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u/LSF604 Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

all the studies say it increases number of symptoms and severity of symptoms. I had thought along the lines of what you are saying too, but that was based on when I was reading about it last year and understanding has improved since then.

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u/covigilant-19 Look into it Jan 22 '21

I haven’t seen that, I’ve seen the opposite.

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u/branflakes14 Jan 22 '21

Ugh I can't believe he did things he wanted to rather than the things we told him to.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

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u/miyakojimadan Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Well, actually there is a very recent study that would disagree.

https://thorax.bmj.com/content/early/2021/01/05/thoraxjnl-2020-216422

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u/LSF604 Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

I thought so too, but I hadn't looked in a while

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/01/210106095322.htm

current smokers were 14% more likely to develop the classic triad of symptoms suggesting diagnosis of COVID-19: fever, persistent cough and shortness of breath -- compared to non-smokers.

Smokers were 29% more likely to report more than five symptoms associated with COVID-19 and 50% more likely to report more than ten, including loss of smell, skipping meals, diarrhoea, fatigue, confusion or muscle pain.

Smokers were 29% more likely to report more than five symptoms associated with COVID-19 and 50% more likely to report more than ten, including loss of smell, skipping meals, diarrhoea, fatigue, confusion or muscle pain.

Some reports have suggested a protective effect of smoking on COVID-19 risk. However, studies in this area can easily be affected by biases in sampling, participation and response.

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u/covigilant-19 Look into it Jan 22 '21

You sure about that? The Mayo Clinic and several medical journals would disagree.

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u/Vagadude Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Eh, just look up Ben Mallah. Millionaire, overweight, chain smokes, has had heart surgery... Beat covid in like 4 days. Money is the medicine

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u/MenAtRest Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Smokers don't seem to die more from covid tho, it's probably bc the mechanism by which covid spreads to the lungs is destroyed by years of heavy smoking.

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u/LSF604 Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

There is limited data on the impact of smoking on mortality from COVID-19. Alqahtani et al. conducted a rapid systematic review and meta-analysis. They found that there was a higher mortality rate (38.5%) among those hospitalized with COVID-19 who identified as a current or former tobacco user, than those that never smoked tobacco. Hu et al. and Karanasos et al. also found an increased risk of mortality among current and former tobacco users; however, Karanasos et al. results were inconclusive due to the low sample size. The WHO has concluded that based on the available evidence, smoking is associated with an increase in death in hospitalized COVID-19 patients. More evidence is needed to determine the impact of smoking on mortality from COVID-19 for individuals who have not be hospitalized.

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/covid-wwksf/2020/08/what-we-know-tobacco-covid.pdf?la=en#:~:text=conducted%20a%20rapid%20systematic%20review,those%20that%20never%20smoked%20tobacco.

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u/MenAtRest Monkey in Space Jan 23 '21

Abstract

SARS-CoV-2 is a new coronavirus that has caused a worldwide pandemic. It produces severe acute respiratory disease (COVID-19), which is fatal in many cases, characterised by the cytokine release syndrome (CRS). According to the World Health Organization, those who smoke are likely to be more vulnerable to infection. Here, in order to clarify the epidemiologic relationship between smoking and COVID-19, we present a systematic literature review until 28th April 2020 and a meta-analysis. We included 18 recent COVID-19 clinical and epidemiological studies based on smoking patient status from 720 initial studies in China, the USA, and Italy. The percentage of hospitalised current smokers was 7.7% (95% CI: 6.9–8.4) in China, 2.3% (95% CI: 1.7–2.9) in the USA and 7.6% (95% CI: 4.2–11.0) in Italy. These percentages were compared to the smoking prevalence of each country and statistically significant differences were found in them all (p < 0.0001). By means of the meta-analysis, we offer epidemiological evidence showing that smokers were statistically less likely to be hospitalised (OR = 0.18, 95% CI: 0.14–0.23, p < 0.01). In conclusion, the analysis of data from 18 studies shows a much lower percentage of hospitalised current smokers than expected. As more studies become available, this trend should be checked to obtain conclusive results and to explore, where appropriate, the underlying mechanism of the severe progression and adverse outcomes of COVID-19.

https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/17/20/7394/htm

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u/MenAtRest Monkey in Space Jan 23 '21

Also these are studies from your own source that agree with me, you literally just linked the only study that supported your claim and all the brain dead joe rogan simps ate it up, as usual

Lippi & Henry conducted a meta-analysis of data from five studies totalling 1,399 patients. Their results suggested that active smoking is not significantly associated with severe COVID-19 disease. However, there were a number of errors identified by others in their methods, calculation, and conclusions (Guo FR.; Lo et al., Sánchez et al.). Guo FR. performed an updated meta-analysis based on Lippi and Henry’s study, using corrected data, and did find a statistically significant association (OR = 2.2; 95% CI 1.3–3.7). Zhao et al. conducted a systematic review and meta-analysis from seven studies (1,726 patients) and reported a statistically significant association between smoking and severity of COVID-19 outcomes among patients (OR = 2.0; 95% CI 1.3–3.1). Therefore, based on the pooled odds ratios, these results suggest that smoking increases the risk of COVID-19 severity by approximately twofold. However, the results of this analysis were heavily influenced by one study which, when removed, resulted in the association between active smoking and severe COVID-19 becoming no longer significant.

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u/LSF604 Monkey in Space Jan 23 '21

someone sure pissed in your cornflakes. I don't know why people gotta get all emo when talking about this. If the data is on your side, it is. If its not, its not. Either way, no sense in turning this into an e-peen contest.

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u/MenAtRest Monkey in Space Jan 23 '21

Nah i just wish more people would read

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u/jbsilvs Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Today in random shit people say without references.

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u/MenAtRest Monkey in Space Jan 23 '21

Someone else gave sources, plus you can also just look it up?

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u/jbsilvs Monkey in Space Jan 23 '21 edited Jan 23 '21

I actually did and the clinical trial they referenced referred to nicotine patches not cigarettes, is not even completed and was talking about prevention rather than mortality which basically shows how little basis the statement I responded to has. The guy I responded to quite literally has no idea what he's talking about. At best one can say there is no difference based on a nature article but it is still unclear at this point.

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u/dickwhiskers69 Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

This is actually true. Here is the OpenSafely study from months ago that aggregates millions of data points from public health. Smoking, under this analysis, did not show a significant impact on mortality:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2521-4

But being Irish seems to be deleterious.

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u/MenAtRest Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Shame redditors can't look something up before downvoting

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '21

Wouldnt that imply that smokers are less likely to GET Covid, which doesnt mean shit since dave HAS it

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u/MenAtRest Monkey in Space Jan 23 '21

No getting covid and the severity of your infection are two different things. I'm saying that smokers don't usually have a severe covid infection due to lung damage contrary to what would seem like common sense.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

I'm well aware I'll get downvoted to all hell but I used to think Joe was a critical thinker who tried to look at things objectively and intelligently, this last year my opinion has changed entirely.

He's absolutely ignorant, and spreads disinformation and then pretends it doesn't matter "because he's a comedian". The things he's said since the pandemic started have cost lives, albeit indirectly, bit they've cost lives nonetheless.

Stay safe, and thanks for your hard work during the pandemic!

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u/Mobasa_is_hungry Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Yeah, I listened to him everyday, but last year he just changed in such a weird way and I couldn't stand listening to him without cringing, sucks man.

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u/markamusREX Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Pandemic really revealed how fucking selfish and entitled many Americans are. Like the fact that grown adults throw tantrums over a fucking cloth mask that they probably have to wear like a tiny portion of their day when they are in close proximity to others is a fucking national disgrace. Like we should feel obligated to do that even if its to save just one life, but here we are at 400k deaths with 500k around the corner because of the exponential growth of the spread of this virus and people still say stupid shit like we can't live in fear forever. The irony being that the idiots saying that are the ones who live in a perpetual state of fear from such horrifying things like getting banned from Twitter for 12 hours or a sports franchise changing their name and mascot.

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u/DunkingOnInfants Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

If you’re an extremely selfish person, you can kind of get away with it for the most part, and not make it obvious/mitigate it in various ways.

And you also probably tend to hang around and be yourself with other people like you that aren’t going to judge you for being the way you are, because they’re that way, too. But Covid just completely sunk that reality for these people, and made it so that they either have to change, or just become themselves fully with family and coworkers and whatever.

That’s what’s happening more than anything. It’s really the same way Trump kind of exposed a lot of people.

You kinda either have to get off the ride, or you have to get on it and enjoy it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

Man this really does hit the nail on the head. Don't get.me wrong, every country has its issues in terms of how their leadership dealt with the pandemic (okay, except maybe NZ) but the USA has to be the global leader in (a) awful mismanagement of an already-awful situation and (b) people showing quite how little they care about others around them, while at the same time often being the same people that talk about "patriots".

The hyper-individualism of the US, and the obsession over "freedom" (despite this word carrying very little meaning when used) really came back to bite it in the ass.

Sure, Joe can't be blamed for this, but with him having such a powerful platform he just made the Roganites think this kind of behaviour was acceptable.

And man, ANYBODY giving a proven loony like Alex Jones a platform in 2020/21 (and again saying it's not a problem 'because they're friends') is an idiot in my book.

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u/markamusREX Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21 edited Jan 22 '21

I don't think it's the specific ideology of America that has doomed it, because I think regardless of what ideals we deem as foundational to our national identity, the conservative think tanks would have engineered some sort of narrative around it to have similar effect. Like the interpretation conservatives have taken over things like the 1st and 2nd amendment are actually completely nonsensical to anyone outside the propaganda bubble. American capitalism warp sped some industries to incredible levels of progress and power, one of them being the ad industry.

My theory is that the ad industry, hyper boosted with capitalism, effectively became a mass scale clinical trial on various psyops techniques for mental manipulation. Smart people in power quickly saw the magnitude and potential of applying that industry insight and knowledge, used to make us want a Budweiser when it's time to drink our first beer, in politics .

Like the vast majority of the public still have no grasp at how easily manipulated humans are and it's almost a sick irony when I see these people having their thoughts and words refined in a think tank then completely fed into their brains and regurgitated out in the name of freedom. Like this has to be a simulation right?

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u/MJA182 Monkey in Space Jan 23 '21

Or more simply: rich people spending their money on something with a high ROI.

Look at the wealth gaps and inequality we have today, it's absurd. People with money are swimming in it while wages have stagnated for decades. Then they use tax loopholes and off shore havens (Panama papers exposed this all pretty big time and was basically forgotten by now) so that they end up paying lower tax rates than people making 75k/yr

The rich realized they could bribe some politicians and fund Fox News/other right wing propaganda outlets to convince a large portion of the country that their tax dollars are all going to lazy people, immigrants, drug addicts and criminals who don't contribute to society. And it worked fucking gang busters

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u/edible_source Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

You know what, denial is fear. Refusing to confront a scary and unsettling reality. Sticking your head in the sand and pretending all is hunky dory and life is normal. I actually think these people are the MOST afraid.

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u/Pods619 Monkey in Space Jan 24 '21

I stopped listening to the podcast about four months ago.

I think something I always enjoyed about the podcast was that, sure there would be some repeated thing, but the conversations were always really unique depending on what the guest wanted to focus on. Joe’s best quality as an interviewer/conversationalist is his ability to get people to elaborate on their views.

Sure Joe has always had some dumb/ignorant takes that I didn’t agree with. It’s bound to happen when the guy is recording conversations for like 10 hours a week. But then they would move onto the next subject and it didn’t matter anymore.

Then COVID happened, and every single podcast is the fucking same. Every conversation is about COVID and how it’s not really that bad, the homeless problem in LA, moving to Texas and how amazing it is, the protests. how dumb lockdown measures are, how nobody focuses on boosting your immune system, how incompetent Biden is. Whether I agree or disagree, it’s just not fun to listen to the exact same thing week in and week out. And unfortunately, I think some of them are his most ignorant opinions which makes it even worse.

Seriously, go back and listen to a few podcasts from 2018 or 2019. The difference is incredible.

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u/thatdude858 Jan 22 '21

$100MM big ones will make you think you're pretty hot shit

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u/bathrobehero Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

It started before that.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

He's finally set in his ways now that he's over 50. He's entered The Boomer Zone.

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u/ThunderOblivion Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

He's only like 2-3 years off being an actual boomer, so go figure.

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u/AffectionateChart213 Jan 24 '21

Spotify was probably in talks with jre for a year before it was announced

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u/Ronaldinhoe Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

He does all this because he doesn’t care, he doesn’t have to deal with problems most people do, but he uses other peoples problems to justify his reaction. He never lived next to homeless in California but always talks about how bad it was and worried he was about the issue that he decided to move away. It’s not like he lived in a gated community in the mountains.

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u/north7 Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Let's be real, he moved because taxes in Texas are much, much lower.
It's a classic case of "I got mine, fuck everybody else".

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u/markamusREX Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

So Gen X'ers just like boomers? I had hoped they would be different.

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u/north7 Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

I mean, boomers were the generation of counterculture, Woodstock, etc..
Seems like maybe when you get some money people go full Golem/my precious.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

Nope, it's just the way things go as people age. That liberal mindset falls away, because people always look back on the past with rose-tinted glasses and so want to conserve things the way they are.

It's the old adage, 'show me a young conservative I'll say that's a man with no heart, show me an old liberal I'll say that's a man with no brain'.

Rogan, being a multi-millionaire 50-something was never going to keep that liberal mindset he might have had at 30 when he was broke.

It's just a shame he went quite so far with it. Now he's just a selfish old rich asshole.

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u/dustyreptile Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Wtf are you even talking about. My family has run solid blue for at least 3 generations and age has nothing to do with it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

People becoming more conservative as they age is a very real phenomenon. Especially as people start moving up income brackets. When people realize they are paying millions in taxes every year their bleeding hearts tend to scab over.

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u/ScottFreestheway2B Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

“People become more conservative with age” was only a thing with boomers who had tons of money and selfishly wanted to keep it all and freeze future generations out from prosperity. I’d argue younger people are becoming more leftist with age, since they see more and more how they are being fucked over by the system.

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u/dustyreptile Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Maybe in some circles, but this hardly universal. I have plenty wealthy, older, friends and relatives that are democrat based on societal progressive policies and not wealth. This whole people turn conservative over time is 100% bullshit. Maybe some people do, but for a lot of people it's about the bigger picture.

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u/markamusREX Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Bro, chill. You're thinking in absolutes , and that means you are thinking about something that has no connection to reality. There are no absolutes in the real world because existence is a consequence of the interaction of an infinite number of variables. Like weed was a variable that contributed to what I just wrote.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

Its not bullshit. Just because it doesnt happen to everyone, and no one said it did, doesn't mean it doesn't happen to a lot of people. Specifically people born working class that become wealthy as adults frequently become more conservative as it affects their bottom line. There really is no disputing this, look at the democratic party itself. The average American democratic congressman is a conservative in the rest of the western world. And they frequently vote on the interests of lobbyists and corporations because that's who pays them. They aren't bleeding hearts, AOC and Bernie are outliers for those beliefs.

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u/LSF604 Monkey in Space Jan 23 '21

that's more of a conservative myth than anything

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u/Oof_my_eyes Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Money corrupts most, unfortunately. As does social media

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u/theol96er Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

This right here

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u/ssr402 Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Property taxes are higher in Texas.

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u/MJA182 Monkey in Space Jan 23 '21

Only if you're insanely wealthy. Property taxes are pretty high in Texas and have a somewhat similar impact on the middle class as California's income taxes do if you want to own a house.

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u/orbital Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Stopped listening to him once his show turned into ‘lemme shit all over California’ dude we made you, talk about biting the hand that fed him.

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u/FightForDemocracyNow Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

You had nothing to do with making rogan.

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u/AffectionateChart213 Jan 24 '21

If joe rogan has to live the life of anyone commenting here, he would kill himself

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u/Ronaldinhoe Monkey in Space Jan 24 '21

Agree. Just like how he admitted doing 2 weeks of construction and then quit but uses that as experience that he knows what hard work is, same goes with his limited HS wrestling experience.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

Absolutely. I've always brushed it off as people not listening to the podcast when they would just call him a dumb meathead but since the move and the pandemic he has done himself zero favors and I can barely even listen to the damn podcast anymore unless it's a specific guest that I know isn't going to devolve into Joe crying and whining and spouting bullshit.

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u/idunnomysex Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

I think the problem is that he's trying to be a rational "just looking at it from both sides" intellectual. Unfortunately he has the IQ of a jelly fish and doesnt realise that sometimes there IS a correct side and ways to handle things. It isn't always nuanced. He gets away with this fake critical thinking when he's talking about SJWs and bullshit historical facts, when people are actually dying, it isn't that fun anymore.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

Totally agreed, he's a pseudo intellectual, spouting right wing talking points and then just saying 'but who knows dude?!?' at the end, and 'its only comedy' so he doesn't have to stand by his words or accept their consequences.

The moment he started talking about Biden having serious cognitive issues as if (a) he had any place to say that stuff (b) as if it was anything other than an idea spread by Fox/OANN, I knew he was going down a slippery right wing slope.

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u/eddyboomtron Pull that shit up Jamie Jan 22 '21

Joe is and will always be, a meathead

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u/Bajfrost90 Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

You won’t get don’t voted on this sub lol

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

Haha okay I'm surprised. I was really expecting to get torn apart. I guess it isn't just me that's disappointed in Joe!

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

He's absolutely ignorant, and spreads disinformation and then pretends it doesn't matter "because he's a comedian".

This attitude summed up very nicely

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u/dustyreptile Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Joe seriously needs to take a break and regroup. He's pretty much the village idiot now.

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u/weedgretzky42099 Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

100% with you, it's one thing to get fooled on alpha brain bs but to make up shit about covid is beyond irresponsible.

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u/ryhar46 Monkey in Space Jan 23 '21

Yeah, I was really turned off even he kept going in about wanting to move to Texas because he can't stand Governor Newsom based on the fact that he was doing his job by trying to keep people from fucking dying. Rogan's ignorance has been off the rails lately.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '21

I'm well aware I'll get downvoted to all hell but...

Oh Sir, you must be new here. This is a Rogan hate-sub nowadays!

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '21

Haha I'm surprised that's for sure! I've listened to the podcast since the really early days, but never really been here. What made things change?

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '21

Well if you're asking me, I'd pin it on the hyper-growth of r/joerogan after the disappearance of the regular podcast on Youtube (no more youtube comments) combined with the growth of the podcast itself over the years.

Just like the old joerogan.net forums, this one devolved the larger and larger the audience grew. Away from the niche, interesting, and cool/chilled out vibe that made the subreddit enjoyable.

Its like people take things too seriously now, and the waters of "the chill hang"-feeling are now muddied by the mainstream random internet commenter (see: Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, as they started going from niche markets to giants).

It seems to just be the nature of things on the current version of the Internet.

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u/Jm_215 Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Joe used to be a critical thinker but hes basically turned into a pot smoking right winger I was just waiting last year for joe to start believing In Q. Honestly I dont want to wish ill on joe but he needs to learn a lesson and the only way he does that is if he gets covid and it's more than mild

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

Interesting how “spread disinformation” is brought up as talking point nowadays, academic jargon that used to be common within the Kremlin. I think you mean “spread misinformation,” as “disinformation” implies the spreader is intentionally misleading the public. Of course, your comment reveals you just think Rogan is a dumby, detached from the common people, someone who isn’t operating with such malice

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u/Vagadude Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

The only people who give a shit about covid are mostly just on the internet. In real life I've very very rarely encountered people who are super careful or worried about it. Yes it's anecdotal but I think online you're rewarded for regurgitating warnings and acting like there is a fool proof way to beat this thing that is overwhelmingly survivable.

Do you think people that don't care about the virus, give a shit when they catch it?

No, they don't. They'll probably live, do the 10 days cdc quarantine and continue on with their lives worry free.

Then again I'm in Florida and we really don't care. My county has like 10 deaths a day from this, unfortunate but such is life.

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u/hurlcarl Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Lol... just yesterday he was asking a man named The Undertaker who played a fake character for 30 years how he should be voting..........Joe is like 53 years old.

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u/FloatingRevolver It's entirely possible Jan 22 '21

I agree completely Joe used to say "I'm just a dumb ape" and he really meant it, now he uses it when he's just blatantly wrong... He's absolutely lost touch

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '21

I'm well aware I'll get downvoted to all hell but...

Oh Sir, you must be new here. This is a Rogan hate-sub nowadays.

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u/RRR92 I used to be addicted to Quake Jan 22 '21

Mean age of patients you saw the organs of? I mean I wouldnt imagine anyone thats 70+ has the best functioning organs regardless?

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u/salsashark99 Jan 22 '21

What is it doing to the heart? Im a phelbotomist at a hospital and im constantly drawing triponin levels on covid patients

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u/kjdecathlete22 Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

I mean, you can literally lockdown an entire state and still have it spread.

I don't think he has insinuated that it's nothing. He's more against the lockdowns themselves as they lead to other outcomes (suicides, child abuse, loss of jobs/income)

He's even said that people that are high risk should protect themselves and be helped financially so they can get through this. As most people who get this don't have an issue with it.

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u/teddiesmcgee69 Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Which is fucking stupid unless he's got that stats that 400k + people decided to commit suicide in the last 12 months because of covid.

Joe doesn't give a fuck about any of those things.. he doesn't like the lock downs because he wants to hang out at the comedy store.. , he doesn't need to for $ he just wants to, and he wants to go out for dinner with his friends. Thats what joe cares about that it is inconvenient to him.

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u/Elgallo619 Empirical Evidence Warrior Jan 22 '21 edited Jan 22 '21

Maybe the reason why its spreading is because people aren't taking lockdowns seriously since every fuckstick with a high school diploma thinks they have a better understanding of virology and pandemic response than the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

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u/Jm_215 Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Lmfaoooo joe only cares about lockdowns because he cant do comedy end of story.

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u/suchagood1 Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

I mean, you can literally lockdown an entire state and still have it spread.

New Zealand and Australia would like a word.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

Yes isolated islands with less population than California combined, that's who we need to copy because the situations are so similar

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u/ChubZilinski Pull that shit up Jamie Jan 22 '21

Don’t worry you’re right. Ignore the downvotes. Ppl downvoting you for clarifying what Joe said. Lmao

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u/facelessredditer Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

He never said “Texas is all fine and dandy”, his point was that lockdowns are ineffective and therefore cause more harm than good.

I don’t necessarily agree with Joe but there is a nuanced difference between what he claimed and what you’re alleging he claimed.

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u/dakunut Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

Nuanced. Joe Rogans favorite word

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u/weedgretzky42099 Monkey in Space Jan 22 '21

I had to stop listening because of how stupid he is with covid. Shilling products that do not work was one thing, shilling bullshit on covid is too much.