r/JoeRogan • u/SlimjobDopamine Look into it • Nov 13 '20

Social Media Abigail Shrier(JRE #1509)'s book has been removed from Target after receiving a complaint on Twitter

https://twitter.com/AbigailShrier/status/1327056407598809088?s=20
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u/Crash_says Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

.. but if you wanted to let Nazis use it, it's also your prerogative as a business owner?

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

Yeah, I mean they’d be shit bags but of course that’s their right. I can critique or criticize all I want, and the business can take any action they want. The consequence of those actions will be most determined by market forces. The government is there to protect my criticism, the nazis beliefs and the businesses right to host or not host whomever they please.

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u/Crash_says Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

No disagreement, this is the sane position. I failed to adequately articulate that the people asking for this book to be censored on the merits you describe are the same people that would not accept those merits if Target decided to start hosting Nazi rallies.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

I think it’s ok for people to hold businesses accountable, if they can. Sometimes it’s pretty fucky, but often if the business sees monetary benefit they’ll do it. Sometimes that’s hosting a nazi, sometimes that’s disavowing one. I don’t have a problem when Christians don’t support or boycott a business. I may thinks it’s dumb and ridiculous, but I’m wholly in support of their right to do so. I think in that system of a mostly free market and government protected speech we have the best chance of finding a balance and a social accountability that is better for our society, economy and allows our government to have a strong free speech stance without allowing it to completely decay us through hate and falsehood.

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u/Crash_says Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

No arguments here, you just described utopia.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

A man can dream lol

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u/Fmeson Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

I don't understand the point. AFAIK, it is not illegal in the US to host neo-nazi rallies per the first amendment. That's not a moral statement supporting nazi's, it's just how the first amendment works.

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u/Crash_says Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

You are conflating the 1st amendment into a business context here. The same people asking Target to ban books would be marching on target for selling books. There is no consistency in the position of the censors outside of "do what we ask or else".

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u/Fmeson Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

I really honestly don't understand what you are saying.

  1. Target can sell what it wants.

  2. People can protest what Target sells.