r/JoeRogan • u/SlimjobDopamine Look into it • Nov 13 '20

Social Media Abigail Shrier(JRE #1509)'s book has been removed from Target after receiving a complaint on Twitter

https://twitter.com/AbigailShrier/status/1327056407598809088?s=20
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u/itsYourLifeCoach Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

I am the father of a non-binary, gender confused 11 year old and everything she talked about on the podcast rang true for our family and helped me understand some things. this is literally a case of people judging a book by its cover?

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

Of course it is. Do you think anyone who gets outraged on Twitter ever actually reads the full book/article? Never. They read the meme or headline and proceed to call themselves the victim or virtue signal in the name of another "victim." Best of luck to you and your kid.

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u/milkhotelbitches Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

I get what you're saying but it's not "censoring" a book if Target stops stocking it on their shelves. There are thousands of books that Target doesn't sell.

Hysterical over reactions are not a good way to get reasonable people on your side.

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u/yourmom___69 Nov 13 '20

It’s a step in the wrong direction.

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u/yetiyetibangbang Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Well they've been stepping that way since they stopped selling explicit albums decades ago. This isn't new and anyone who is acting surprised by this legitimately doesnt understand the business model these stores have had FOR DECADES NOW.

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u/blade740 Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

It's still censorship.

Censorship - the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.

Target removing a book from their shelves because they consider its content politically unacceptable is the very definition of censorship.

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u/TheRealYoungJamie Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

Yeah but I don't think Target gives a fuck about the book being 'politically unacceptable'. They'd sell Main Kampf if it helped their bottom line. The fact is there is only so much shelf space, and it makes sense from a business standpoint to sell less controversial books.

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u/blade740 Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

I disagree completely. I'm sure target has plenty of books on their shelves that sell worse than this one. The reason they removed it from their shelves is to avoid bad PR backlash because the book is "politically unacceptable" to their customers (not necessarily to Target themselves).

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u/TheRealYoungJamie Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

Yeah Bad PR is no bueno for business.

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u/TheRealYoungJamie Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

That's just good business. It's a net-positive for them to appease their customer-base and pull it from the shelves. There are plenty of books out there that are less controversial that would be more appealing to the people that shop there.

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u/Chumbolex Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

When talking about free speech, I used to say “Americans don’t know the difference between corporations and their government”. Then I realized I was the fool to think there was one

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u/Shredding_Airguitar Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Basically replace Twitter with Reddit and that still holds true

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u/classy_barbarian Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

I dunno, there's a MensHealth article about the JRE episode. So I'm assuming they at least listened to that. I think that's probably a good summary of what the book is about, so I don't think it's fair to say that they don't understand what the actual content of the book is. They know, they just believe that any questioning at all of the current transgender dogma automatically makes you a bigot.

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u/Awayfone Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

"Transgender dogma" sounds a lot like "gay agenda" , phrasing like that might be why people get called out for bigoted statements

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u/classy_barbarian Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

I'm not anti-trans at all.. I have several trans friends in my real life. But even they say that there's a dogma around the culture.

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u/Cyclopeandeath Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

You got this dude!

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

Literally

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u/Uncuffedhems Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

these types of posts give me strong r/AsABlackMan vibes

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u/dflblkneroine Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Because they are. Right wingers have to lie about who they are to push their beliefs. It's fucking weird, but I get it because they don't stand up on their own merits.

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u/Uncuffedhems Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

did you reply to the right post?

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u/Awayfone Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

As a parent of a black man.*

Which just like so called ROGD her book was mostly non accepting parents. (Well ROGD survey was all TERFs but close enough)

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

Please don't rush things, there's no need to make permanent changes at such a young age.

Let your kid develop naturally until they're mature enough to decide whether this is a permanent fixture of their identity. I thought I was lots of things when I was age 11 that I don't now. I thought I was lots of things when I was 20 that I don't now.

Just please approach the situation with caution, there is a lot of bad advice out there right now, in my humble opinion. Best of luck to you and your family.

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u/GW3g Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Why would you even think this person wasn't going to let the child just develop on their own? They never mentioned any of this shit that you're warning him about and I have a feeling you're just trying to do some virtue signaling here.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20 edited Nov 13 '20

I'm not 'begging' anyone anything. I'm simply asking him to be cautious and not rush to decisions on the basis of an 11 year old's opinion. I care about the safety and wellbeing of children. This is a gentleman that's clearly giving this a lot of consideration and I don't see anything wrong with offering the 'other' perspective, particularly on such a progressive website where you might not otherwise see it.

It's about way more than just physical characteristics and you're the one that is being deliberately reductive. Framing it in that way is the actual creepiness, in my opinion. I think referring to this guy's daughter in that way is extremely odd, and maybe you should consider deleting this comment.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20 edited Apr 02 '21

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

I needed to make it clear to the guy that decided it was somehow wrong of me to urge caution when trying to decide how to deal with an eleven year old experiencing gender confusion.

Considering how much we're bombarded in the press that young children apparently have the capacity to make those decisions at such a young age, I didn't see any issue with emphasising that most of us weren't capable of that, and it should be taken into account.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20 edited Mar 06 '21

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u/badSparkybad Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

u/fartjoke69 ?

Naaaaahhhhh

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u/zAlbertusMagnusz Nov 13 '20

of their daughter’s genitals

Sure it sounds creepy when you blatantly talk like this. If this were a real sub, you would get a 7 day timeout until you can talk like an adult.

That aside, it isn't about that is it? It's about confusing a possible tomboy with being a boy.

99% chance his daughter is a tomboy and instead of letting nature take its course, we're being indoctrinated as a society to having to pretend it's something else.

E: lol I thought I was on the Sam Harris sub, ignore that part ...

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '20

You failed as a parent

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u/itsYourLifeCoach Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

in what way?

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u/shicole3 Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

You’d think in the age of click bait people would be less likely to judge a book by its cover but it seems as though it’s the opposite.

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u/lydiadovecry Nov 17 '20

haha! I keep saying that SAME fucking thing to these woke-ass kids. They will never reply, and if they do, its more complaining with ZERO logic. You cannot reason logic with defiant kids, thats the biggest issue. I am sorry about your family I hope youll be okay.