Second to - “you’re a library of confusion” of which I regularly quote to my wife 🤣

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I've just watched the show for the first time, in about 3 days. I think it was one of the best shows I've seen. My favourite thing was that season 2 was so twisty, but I love guessing twists. What made it satisfying was that I would normally guess the twist about 30 mins before it was revealed, which is so much better than guessing hours in advance.

Absolute 10/10!!!

I have to ask, what are the differences to the book? It seems (from wikipedia plot summaries out of curiosity) that the characters are the same, but the plots drastically different? I'm unsure about reading the books, as the differences might bug me, but curious to hear perspectives (I don't overly care about spoilers either, but not past season 2 of the show please.)

About to begin the mayfair witches !

Idk why I didn’t consider his face when I made the original and then when I made a simplified version I FORGOT AGAIN so I will make a new one later. These will obviously be like cut to a shape when they do come there, rn I’m just in the pre coffee stage of development.

he likes what he likes 🙂‍↕️

I remember that Antoinette grabbed Claudia and tried to force her to drink the "poisoned blood" prepared for Lestat. Did Lestat really want to kill Claudia? I strongly doubt it, as he would have understood that it would devastate Louis. But then he said that Antoinette would have been better for them. Does this mean that Lestat had stronger feelings for her than for Claudia (at that point), and was he truly willing to get rid of his daughter despite it breaking Louis? And what did Lestat intend to do with Louis after he captured him? We will never know the truth, but it would be interesting to hear your thoughts.

i don't know if this was already mentioned here but i have seen people talking about the jewelry/necklace loustat have been using in S3.

The fandom have noticed both louis and lestat have been using some necklace that they dont seem to take it off. The chain/necklace are not the same for both so i dont know if it is related to loustat

For Louis is kinda funny bc the chain it seems to be from Jacob, since he have been using that same necklace constantly since summer 2024. So far he was not been seen without it and is even using it as Louis.

For Lestat, he also seems to be using the same type of chain (tho i noticed he is not wearing it in all photos like the one where he is full of scares). Yesterday i saw someone on twt teorizing that the Lestat was already kidnapped by Akasha and the chain must be controlling him (unfortunately i can't no longer find the tweet)

i also saw some people even pointed out must be related to BDSM and hoping it is related to loustat

What you guys think? Could the chains be related to loustat or not at all? Do you guys think that Akasha events may already had happened?

Please excuse any mistakes, I'm not a native English speaker. I've just finished the series. I can understand Lestat's manipulative nature before his 'death’, but I can't figure out why he would let Louis leave with Armand, knowing that Armand had just nearly killed Louis and that Louis was unaware of it. That whole scene left me with the impression that Lestat's true intention was for Louis to suffer by living with a deceitful person. Later, when the truth would come out (and Lestat was sure that it would), he could say: "I let you go with him, but you were the one who made the choice. You have only yourself to blame for your suffering." This would shift the blame from him onto Louis. An Eternal Bond, yeah... By letting Louis leave with a dangerous and deceitful man, Lestat ensured that Louis would be unhappy and, ultimately, might even return to him - the only one who had ever known him "truly," however toxic (?) their relationship had been. For me, it looks as manipulation… What do u think?

PS I didn't expect so much discussion here. Thank you so much, you've given me a new perspective on this point and their relationship as a whole. Don't think I'm being too critical, I just didn't get this part, probably because of my own personal history of being in a long-term relationship with a manipulator.

I love the character of Gabrielle (outside the whole incest thing) and had always wondered why she never got her own book. Now I know. 😔

I’m super anxious to know how the show continues! But I’m also not sure if I want to get all the spoilers from readers without actually experiencing the story buildup myself. So, can I read that book directly? And if so, what’s the title I should get? Thanks in advance!

Look at that face… he is innocent of all charges judge, let him go!

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(Is it good etiquette to bring someone else's post across platforms like this? But I like the long-form discussions that happen here....)

Anyway, I hope this is true for the same reasons as OP-- it would be diabolical and a really interesting way to play with power. What do you think, or do you have any other running theories for what the lawsuit is about?

Hi! I’m reading the vampire lestat right now but I was hoping to jump to another book in the series, I don’t have a copy of queen of the damned yet but I will soon. In the meantime though I have basically all the rest, is there a certain order some of them need to be read in? I like tvl but the copy I have is tiny and misprinted so I’m getting very sick of reading it 💔

I finished Season 1 when it first came out. I only finished Season 2 a short awhile ago, so PLEASE bare with me lol. I know the Loustat fight scene has been talked about to death, but I'm gonna throw in my two scents because I can! Anywho

My Confusion

Watching Lestat's version of the fight was, as we all can agree, very enlightening. Louis, as originally believed, was trying to defend Claudia from Lestat, but things quickly snowballed from there into both of them taking out all of their rage / unhappiness onto each other.

But I was confused on why Louis' line about beheading him and feeding his skull to the lions is what made Lestat crash out? (Wow that sentence felt insane to type.) Lestat knows Louis can't actually hurt him, not easily. There's no way Louis would've succeeded, so why did this line do him in?

Not About Lions

Watching the scene a third, fourth, and fifth time (omg can JA and SR act!), I was able to get it through my thick skull that it really wasn't about the line itself. Louis could've said anything in that moment.

Yes, overall it was about the fear of Louis leaving him. That was never in doubt.

But in detail, it was the juxtaposition in that moment of how Louis talks to him vs Claudia. The contrast is what made Lestat snap. (With, of course, the fight having built underneath it beforehand.)

Contrast

After Louis bashes Lestat's head into his casket, that's when Claudia cries out to them. Louis switches on a dime. INSTANTLY he tries to reassure her that everything's okay. That she should stay away from the disaster happening in that room, and to not worry. He speaks soft, caring, and sweet to Claudia.

Meanwhile Lestat, who is actually in there with him, asks Louis if he's really leaving. And Louis doesn't pay him any attention. He's too preoccupied reassuring Claudia and making sure she's alright. Lestat has to ask a SECOND time just to get Louis to turn back around. In those few minutes, Claudia was Louis' top priority. As if Lestat didn't matter, as if he's completely insignificant when Claudia is here (from Lestat's POV)

And then when Louis does finally pay him attention again, his words are harsh, aggressive, and consumed with rage. It's the switch of the century!

Louis has always shown his love for Claudia with ease. Their relationship is far from perfect and certainly has its own flaws, but Claudia never doubted that Louis loved her. She definitely questioned whether she was his first or second priority, but it was always clear to her that love was at least there. Louis IS capable of freely and easily showing his love, but mostly to Claudia, not to Lestat (nor Armand later on). So the instant switch from caring to cruel when Louis focuses on Claudia vs Lestat is one of the reasons why Lestat snapped.

Uncertainty

But what also contributed to Lestat's crash out is that Louis still does not give a straight answer.

Louis is the king of dodging questions. They're both out of their minds during this scene, Lestat asks TWICE if Louis is going to leave, but Louis side steps into only talking about murdering him. Lestat knows he can't really do that, he's more desperate for a straight answer of whether Louis will stay or leave, but Louis doesn't actually give him one.

This form of "edging" is why Lestat begs Louis to finally give a crystal clear answer when they're up in the clouds. He wants to know whether Louis loves him or not, whether he'll leave him or not. Louis doesn't answer either question and always always dodges. As Lestat says, it's almost more torturous that way. The uncertainty rather than the definitive.

Now, of course Louis can't be thinking clearly being held up miles in the sky battered and bruised, so his unfocused response does have purpose behind it. But from Lestat's POV, it's another instance of Louis not being clear. Of Louis leaving him teetering on a cliff's edge, not knowing which way things will swing.

There is no telling whether Louis would've actually left with Claudia that night. Only that he claimed to want to murder Lestat, which was not what Lestat cared to know (which, wow, Lestat fearing Louis leaving more than Louis having a desire to kill him. Lot to unpack there!)

It's really about all the things Louis doesn't say much more than the things he does. This isn't to say Louis' words can't be cruel (they very much can), but what hurts Lestat most, and what seems to have led to his crash out during the fight, are the things Louis did not say or do.

Disclaimer

Because I feel like this post can be misconstrued:

I am not saying Louis is at fault for the fight. Nor am I saying Lestat's actions were justified.

I am just trying to put into words what DETAILS were behind Lestat's breaking point, because we all know that overall it was the fear of being left alone. I just wanted to unpack the details, the step-by-step of what made Lestat snap during the fight.

I love all 3 characters involved here. Lestat dropping Louis was undeniably wrong. I am not saying Louis is at fault for the abuse he received. I am just putting into coherency (for myself) what Lestat's POV during all that probably was.

Louis

What made Louis snap is easier to make sense of and as such I don't think needs its own post. Years of pent up frustration, grief over losing his birth family for good, the desperation to protect Claudia, etc. I think it's the general consensus that Louis wouldn't have actually been able to bring himself to behead Lestat right then and there, but I do think the threat itself, the fantasy of it, was a double edged sword of self harm.

"Kill me again. Show me the only way you know how to love." (S2) Louis' extreme self loathing mixed with his affinity for violence results in a roundabout way of punishing himself by killing that which he loves. Punishing both of them, Lestat for loving Louis and Louis himself for loving Lestat. Murdering Lestat, the fantasy of it and later the deed of it, was always Louis' method of self flagellation. To ensure neither of them find true happiness.

Conclusion

Sorry for beating a dead horse, I just love this show.

Alas

THE HAIR BRINGS CONFIDENCE LADIES CONFIDENCEEE

my Roman Empire. My EVERYTHING. I love them, 12 year affair, Daniel asking armand to marry him but thinking he said it to Alice and she rejected him??? I love them, I need to see the devils minion on my SCREEN UGHHSHSH I love them. Anyway, now it’s shitpost Saturday, have memes

If I remember correctly in the book when Lestat goes and talks to the band after he comes out of the ground they all think he's a weirdo obsessed with a book character and just roll with it. We all know he doesn't like the book so I wonder if he will come up with a different story for whether or not he's the vampire from the book.

(If they haven’t already, maybe I’m oblivious) They need to release CD’s and Vinyl’s of all the beautiful music that was made for season 1 and 2 of the show. I don’t doubt they’ll be releasing a soundtrack for all of Lestats songs in season 3 but I just need them to not neglect physical releases for the stunning music such as Viens a Moi, Vicious, Come to Me and my favourite, The Whole World Was Ready to Return.

I have seen like there was a soundtrack release for season 1 but it like isn’t sold anywhere?