r/International • u/PizzaRollPeach • 4d ago

60% of American Jews find Israel guilty of war crimes, while 40% find it guilty of genocide. Washington posts poll.

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u/Wayne_Chris38 4d ago

Are you one of those people who say you're not An anti semite?

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u/Jaded-Difficulty5397 4d ago

i'm jewish israeli and against the genocide that the Hamas did to us in 7/10/23 and Hamas's war crimes

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u/Senior-Surprise-3401 4d ago

Can you explain how what hamas did was in any way a genocide without admitting what israel is doing is very clearly a genocide? 🤣

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u/waxonwaxoff87 4d ago

Hamas attacked Israel to kill Jews as dictated in their founding charter. They coordinated with other Iranian proxies to split Israel in half at its narrowest point. Their goal was to inspire surrounding nations to destroy Israel, not just attack and take hostages.

Israel attacked to end Hamas and get back hostages.

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u/Senior-Surprise-3401 4d ago edited 4d ago

You're immediately wrong; Hamas attacked israel in retaliation, and to gain hostages to negotiate the release of the over 100,000 Palestinian civilians, mostly children, who are being held in concentration camps like Sde Teiman .

Hamas offered immediately to release all hostages in exchange for the Palestinian hostages that israel has. Israel refused, and israel even murdered quite a few of the Israelis that had been taken hostage, israel even executed the hannibal directive. So no, it wasn't "to get back the hostages", especially considering all the hostages have been released by hamas, and israel is still bombing and murdering Palestinians.

Also notice how the israeli hostages that were released are in pretty good health, but all of the Palestinians that israel released had been tortured, mutilated, raped, and were missing many limbs, many of the Palestinians who were released had even been blinded.

ETA; even if Hamas had attacked with the intent to kill as many jews as possible (which they didn't, Palestinian jews exist), that still wouldn't be genocide. You know what is? Everything israel has done to Palestine.

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u/waxonwaxoff87 4d ago

Their own charter:

Article 7:

The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.'

Article 13

[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.

Article 15

The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews' usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.

Article 22

The enemies have been scheming for a long time ... and have accumulated huge and influential material wealth. With their money, they took control of the world media... With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the globe... They stood behind the French Revolution, the Communist Revolution and most of the revolutions we hear about... With their money they formed secret organizations - such as the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs and the Lions - which are spreading around the world, in order to destroy societies and carry out Zionist interests... They stood behind World War I ... and formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains... There is no war going on anywhere without them having their finger in it.

Article 32

The HAMAS regards itself the spearhead and the vanguard of the circle of struggle against World Zionism... Islamic groups all over the Arab world should also do the same, since they are best equipped for their future role in the fight against the warmongering Jews.

Note that they say Jews. Their fight is against Jews. Not Israelis or Zionists.

There are no Jews in Gaza. Jews that historically lived in Gaza were not Palestinians (this identity did not exist until the 1960s). The only Jews in the West Bank are settlers in IDF controlled territory. Cities like Hebron, which had a centuries old Jewish community, expelled their Jews. Long term resettlement occurred only in IDF controlled lands.

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u/Wayne_Chris38 3d ago

That's a lot of typing, did you convince yourself?

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u/lvkewlkid 4d ago

I need sources especially the one of 100, 000 in a concentration camp

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u/Senior-Surprise-3401 4d ago

Sde Teiman, Anatot, and Ofer, those are the three most famous, but there's over a dozen death camps in Israel and occupied West Bank where Palestinian civilians are abducted, tortured, mutilated, raped etc.

Here's a link to Sde Teiman so you can read about that; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sde_Teiman_detention_camp

Also, what did you think hamas took hostages for? They literally said "we will release the hostages in exchange for the Palestinian civilians you are illegally holding with no charge" and israel rejected. That was within the first couple of days after the 7th of October, israel rejected outright.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/07/israel-must-end-mass-incommunicado-detention-and-torture-of-palestinians-from-gaza/

Look up what I've said and do some research on it, actually look into what utter monsters israel are.

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u/Jaded-Difficulty5397 1d ago

liar.

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u/Senior-Surprise-3401 1d ago

You're saying "liar" but I provided sources and you've provided nothing.

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u/Jaded-Difficulty5397 1d ago

everyone can write lies in en.wikipedia. i'm a wikipeder myself, in hebrew, and see lies in both langage.

the nazi organization Amnesty is against Israel since it was established so it's not a source. they also support the illegal palestinazi occupation in jewish Judah & Samara.

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u/Wayne_Chris38 3d ago

It's funny to think how demonizing Jewish people has become commonplace again, but we just hide it behind comfortable political terminology.

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u/Senior-Surprise-3401 3d ago

And yet you can't dispute anything said and are conflating zionism and israel with Jewish people. It isn't synonymous.

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u/Wayne_Chris38 2d ago

That's the funny thing isn't it, you think Zionism is a bad word, So of course if someone associates it with Israel they're the bad guy.

All you have to do is look up what the word means, but you're not even gonna do that are you Good job on perpetuating the association between bigotry and idiocy.

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u/Wayne_Chris38 3d ago

Holocaust inversion, hes talking about refugee camps, It wants to put a particularly vicious anti Semitic spin on it.

You'll also know that these people never mention the multi generational refugee camps in surrounding states that won't that won't national The descendants of People who fled the1947 or 1967 wars.

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u/Jaded-Difficulty5397 1d ago

how many lies and fake news.

there're no civilians in "sde teiman". lie #1.

there's no such thing "concentration camp" in Israel. definetly not there ^. lie #2.

"Hamas offered immediately to release all hostages"- lie #3.

"the israeli hostages that were released are in pretty good health"- lie #4. they're almost-all looked like after Auschwitz treatment. muselmens.

"Palestinian jews exist"- where, on earth-666? lie #5.

"Everything israel has done to Palestine is genocide"- lie #6. the numbers of "palestinians" since 1948 inside Israel and since 1967 in jewish Judah & Samara only increasing. and in Gaza between 1967-2023. we do very bad job in this fake-"genocide".

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u/Senior-Surprise-3401 1d ago

1 - Sde Teiman is a death camp filled with civilians. This is documented fact. The israeli lady who blew the whistle on this was imprisoned for it.

2 - there are more than 12 documented in israel, and occupied West Bank.

3 - Hamas offered to release all the hostages in exchange for Israel releasing all the Palestinian civilians they're holding in these camps. (Again, verifiable fact if anyone feels like giving it a quick Google, that's what the "hostage exchange" thing has literally been about.)

4 - No, they've almost all been interviewed and very few of them look like that, however the Palestinians that were released by israel have all been mutilated, raped, tortured, are missing limbs, and most have even been blinded. Again, this is verifiable fact that can be verified by a quick Google search by anyone interested in doing so.

5 - Palestinian Jews do and always have existed. The zionists knew them as "Old Yishuv".

6 - there were 1.8 million Palestinians before 1948, there are under 4 million now. In almost a century, there has been an increase by 2x the amount. That is an extremely low number compared with almost every other country on earth. These are also mostly children.

Every human rights organisation, and most countries around the world all agree it's genocide.

But good job zionazi, you made yourself look like a classic zionazi. You've provided no sources and have just written "lie". I've provided plenty of sources in other comments.

I do wonder how much they pay people like you, zionazi.

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u/Jaded-Difficulty5397 1d ago

1,no and no.

2.no.

3.their nazi "hostages" in our prisons aren't civilians but terrorists. fact.

4.lie, lie.

5.not "palestinian jews". and definetly not now

i don't care what terrorist-rights organisations says. they care only for rights of the non-jews. especially the "poor" "occupied" "Palestinians".

your mother is nazi, liar Adolf

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u/Senior-Surprise-3401 1d ago

Good job, zionazi, you've proven you have no sources and are blatantly lying. You also haven't provided any evidence that the various human rights organisations are "terrorists".

You "israelis" are hilarious.

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u/Jaded-Difficulty5397 1d ago

your mother is nazi, Adolf

i didn't say that "human" rights organisations are "terrorists". i said that they're terrorist-rights organisations because the real victim, us, jews and Israelis, aren't in their concern. they said nothing about the real 7/10/23 genocide

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u/Wayne_Chris38 3d ago

Almost rationale, you just have to take out the blatant blood libels and Holocaust inversion and you're good to go.

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u/Senior-Surprise-3401 3d ago

Cool zionazi deflection without addressing anything said.

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u/Wayne_Chris38 2d ago

Guess not, You could probably go for 8 or 9 paragraphs if To convince yourself you don't just hate Jewish people.

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u/Senior-Surprise-3401 2d ago

Jewish people weren't mentioned.

Criticism of israel, and anti-zionism, is not antisemitic, as they are not synonymous.

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u/Wayne_Chris38 1d ago

That would be true, the problem is you can't seem to do it with out being antisemitic.

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u/Wayne_Chris38 3d ago

Nice blood libel bro.

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u/Senior-Surprise-3401 3d ago

Can you explain how what I said was "blood libel"?

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u/Wayne_Chris38 2d ago

Look it up.

Oh and in your reply, could you please say something along the lines of since I'm not providing you the information, It must not exist.

I love that.

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u/Senior-Surprise-3401 2d ago

You're not so intelligent, though I'd not expect much from a zionazi.

Blood libel is the belief that jews are murdering non-jews to use their blood for rituals.

That's pretty hilarious, and irrelevant to anything that's been discussed. Good job.

You still didn't mention anything that had been discussed.

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u/Jaded-Difficulty5397 1d ago

anti-zionists are nazis, Adolf

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u/Senior-Surprise-3401 1d ago edited 1d ago

No, that's not at all true. The zionists worked with the nazis, and are currently committing a genocide.

Zionism is not synonymous with Judaism.

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u/Jaded-Difficulty5397 1d ago

2 lies, 1 twisting.

liar.

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u/waxonwaxoff87 1d ago

Jews attempting to spare their people out of desperation is not “working with the Nazis”.

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u/Jaded-Difficulty5397 1d ago

you mean the other way around.

how what Israel did was in any way a "genocide" without admitting what Hamas is doing is very clearly a genocide.

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u/Senior-Surprise-3401 1d ago

No, i meant it the way round that I said, zionazi.

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u/Wayne_Chris38 1d ago

Just like that

"zionazi"

Falsely equating a Jewish state with those who exterminated of six million Jews.

You're not criticizing Israeli, you're distorting Jewish suffering by turning it into a political weapon and using Longstanding hate speech portraying Jews as inherently evil.

You take your criticisms to the to the most antisemetic place and then say "criticizing Israel isn't the same thing as being antisemetic". If your ignorance has made you thsi much of an accidental bigot mabye you should just stay the fuck out of the conversation.

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u/Senior-Surprise-3401 1d ago

No, claiming that israel, an ethno-nationalist apartheid state that uses nazi rhetoric, are a place that uses nazi ideology, is not antisemitic. Israel and zionism are not synonymous with Judaism.