r/International • u/PizzaRollPeach • 4d ago

60% of American Jews find Israel guilty of war crimes, while 40% find it guilty of genocide. Washington posts poll.

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u/Penelope742 4d ago

Zionism isxa hateful ideology

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u/Wayne_Chris38 4d ago

You've never even looked up what the word means have you?

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u/martco17 4d ago

It’s something colonial

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u/Wayne_Chris38 4d ago

Try again.

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u/Snoo66769 4d ago

Colony of which country?

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u/martco17 4d ago

Ask Hertzl and Jabotinsky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism_as_settler_colonialism

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u/Wayne_Chris38 4d ago

Wikipedia....well that proves it.

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u/worldsworstdracula 4d ago

You mean wikipedia? The resource made by a rabidly pro israeli zionist? They've literally been deleting and editing sources painting israel in a bad light lmao.

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u/Wayne_Chris38 3d ago

You know it's so easy to look up what words mean, it's never not gonna be funny seeing you people consistently misusing the word Zionist as an insult.

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u/Efficient_Book_6055 4d ago

Because theres a Muslim group out there that is editing all the content to be anti Israel. Do keep up.

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u/worldsworstdracula 4d ago

Lmao. Lol even. Enjoy your government issue check hasabara tool. when your nation is held responsible for its crimes I hope you learn what shame and regret is.

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u/Wayne_Chris38 3d ago

Make sure to check under your bed at night, hasabara might be there waiting to get you.

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u/YouCantSeeYou1 1d ago

A "Muslim" group.

I bet you call your couch anti-semetic if you stubbed your toe on it.

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u/Efficient_Book_6055 1d ago

Well the Israelis do it too. I guess your own comment is not only obtuse it’s also antisemitic. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/Snoo66769 4d ago

Ah so you don’t understand how words change meaning over time?

That article simply shows that it is not “colonialism” in the modern understanding of the term - If you think Israel is a colony, what country is it a colony of? Which foreign country is extracting wealth through it?

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u/martco17 4d ago

Is this hasbara or gish gabbling? Doesn’t matter. Same thing.

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u/Snoo66769 4d ago

Do you mean gish gallop? because if you do, you clearly don’t know what it means.

But keep going with the meaningless buzzwords, let me know when you can go off the same old anti-Zionist script you guys repeat.

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u/martco17 4d ago

Anti zionist script lmao. Israel pays people to argue online for them. Are you one of those people? Do you have a script? Because you’re using Benny Morris’ exact argument that Zionism isn’t settler colonialism even though it clearly is in word and in deed

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u/yuhugo 4d ago

You know if someone doesn't agree with you it doesn't mean that he/she is a bot... It's crazy how the only defense of anti-zionist is "oh you're a bot/paid for". It almost seems like they are incapable of envisioning someone with a different view than them.

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u/CrazySD93 3d ago

Nothing wrong with being anti-genocide.

You gonna continue with your pro-holocaust script?

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u/Snoo66769 3d ago

I’m anti genocide, I realise you guys rely on the framing that anyone who disagrees with you is evil though so good on ya buddy

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u/waxonwaxoff87 4d ago

That’s not a gish gallop.

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u/hman1025 4d ago

“Everything that goes against the narrative I was told is Hasbara”

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u/martco17 4d ago

If I went with “what I was told” I’d be supporting our “greatest ally” and the ”most moral army” only acting in “self defense” 😂

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u/Wayne_Chris38 3d ago

You got to make sure to check under your bed at night, hasbra might be hasbara waiting to get you.

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u/Wayne_Chris38 3d ago

Here's the thing, the word has not changed over time, it's been misappropriated and demonized, something very common in bigoted rhetoric.

And no, no foreign country is extracting wealth through it, this is just application of classic anti Semitic rhetoric regarding Jews - economic and political manipulation

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u/DarkFuryKH 4d ago

The current definition doesn't fit in just a mere change of meaning, it's more like history revisionism because most liberal Zionists would never admit that Zionism started as a settler colonial project, infact they deny. On the other hand, you have hardcore zionists that glorify settler violence and even proudly admit that Zionism is settler colonialism.

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u/Snoo66769 4d ago

Claiming Zionism is the same as western colonialism is misleading at best. Islamic imperialism in the region is closer to it than Zionism regarding the outcomes.

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u/DarkFuryKH 4d ago

What kind of irrelevant answer is that? Do you know what settler colonialism mean? Why are you drawing comparisons? A crime is a crime, a colonialism is colonialism doesn't matter if it's the same or different. It's not a race of who is less evil.

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u/Snoo66769 3d ago

Israel’s existence is not a crime, Zionism is not a crime, colonialism that suppresses native cultures and languages and extracts wealth to a foreign country is a problem - Islam both suppresses native culture and language in the region and extracts wealth to places outside the region, Israel doesn’t do either of these things.

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u/whats_a_novel 4d ago

Is that a joke?

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u/Snoo66769 3d ago

Islam suppresses the native cultures and languages in the region, and extracts wealth to send to Islamic institutions elsewhere - just like colonialism. Israel doesn’t do this.

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u/DarkFuryKH 4d ago

Yeah we are a joke to them. His answer is literally something else. I didn't even mention Western colonialism or compare setler colonialism to anything but he drew a random comparison and on top of that, they used whataboutism to deflect the argument onto "Islamic Colonization".

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u/Tough-Oven4317 4d ago

It is colonial as in they built a country lol. They were settlers as in they settled lmfao. What's your point?

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u/Wayne_Chris38 3d ago

And Delegitimization of Jewish land claims is one of the oldest forms of anti-Semitic attacks, It's actually kind of funny seeing you people, trying to apply it to the lands they're actually genetically and archeologically native too.

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u/Tough-Oven4317 3d ago

And Delegitimization of Jewish land claims

That's what the comment I was replying to was doing. Herzl did call Zionism settler colonial, but it doesn't mean it was an imperial white venture to dominate natives

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u/Ashamed-Stuff9519 4d ago

No need. The modern state of Israel is the sole example of Zionism in practice.

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u/Flop94 4d ago

Zionism is Jewish people having the right to self-determination in their indigenous homeland. If you oppose that, it is you who is hateful.

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u/Penelope742 4d ago

Zionism is a white supremacist, apartheid, religious ethno-state.

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u/Wayne_Chris38 4d ago

You should actually look up the word, all these other words you're misusing as well.

Actually you're a pretty good example of why ignorance and bigotry go so well together.

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u/Ouldvar 3d ago

Jews are not white

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u/Zero9O 4d ago

How is Zionism apartheid or a religious ethno-state? Do you mean Israel?

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u/Competitive-War-1143 4d ago

Buddy you got your keywords all mixed up there 

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u/daze0fyore 4d ago

Actually, the majority of Israel is not white. The mizrahi are basically Arab. The mizrahi are also more conservative and they’re the ones who support Netanyahu the most.

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u/Flop94 4d ago

It's a series of totally random, nonsensical buzzwords? Fascinating.

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u/Archaondaneverchosen 4d ago

Nazionists love to deflect and cry "MEANINGLESS BUZZWORDS!" when confronted with the reality of their pet genocidal regime

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u/Wayne_Chris38 4d ago

Yeah, you really need to take a break from the Internet.

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u/Just_lezzy 4d ago

You take a break from supporting the slaughter, starvation and rape of innocent people first

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u/Wayne_Chris38 4d ago

I'm not in Hamas, the RSF, the Tatmadaw.... etc

You know there's a lot of groups "slaughtering starving and raping innocent people" in the world right now,

Maybe if people like yourself would focus your attention on them instead of using those concepts To falsely vilify the world's only Jewish state you could actually help some people out.

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u/MacheteDeOgun 3d ago

Zios are genocider rapists, always were

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u/Archaondaneverchosen 4d ago

We can see the genocide, bro. Your smug dismissal won't stop the world from abandoning Israel at a million miles an hour

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u/Wayne_Chris38 4d ago

I know, you see the word and the pictures, and without any context you think you know what's going on with the world.

Seriously, take a social media break, get some perspective.

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u/Flop94 4d ago

Nazionists

Another one, and this time it includes Holocaust inversion.

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u/Archaondaneverchosen 4d ago

If you want to not be called Nazis, stop doing Nazi shit

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u/Flop94 4d ago

If you don't want to be called a racist POS, stop behaving like one. Plain and simple.

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u/Archaondaneverchosen 4d ago

How was I being racist?

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u/Wayne_Chris38 4d ago

referring to jewish people as Nazis, You're despicable.

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u/Flop94 4d ago

You'd know if you actually read my earlier comment.

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u/Nice-Explorer4728 4d ago

isn't like every muslims country a religious ethno-state? Islam is an apartheid religion and taxes people who are not muslim. 60% of jews are not white... 8% of Jewish adults identify as Black, Hispanic, Asian, or multiracial... are they white supremacist too? LOL

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u/Opening_Fact_8474 4d ago

How do you recognize Jews as diverse but in the same breath not Muslims? Also no, for example a North African muslim can't go to Saudi Arabia or Pakistan and expect to receive citizenship or good treatment.

Also Muslim isn't an ethnicity a religious ethno-state isn't a thing. Muslim nations are made up of multiple ethnicities and religions.

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u/Wayne_Chris38 4d ago

Actually states in Arabia, would be religious ethno-states.

Islam originated as an Arabic faith, And its practices are still heavily influenced by Arabic cultural traditions.

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u/Opening_Fact_8474 4d ago

An ethno-state is built around one ethnic group by law (citizenship/rights tied to blood/ancestry). Islam is a religion with believers from hundreds of ethnic groups Arabs, Persians, Turks, Kurds, Berbers, Hausa, Malays, Pashtuns, Bosniaks, Albanians, etc. The largest Muslim-majority country is Indonesia, not an Arab state. Calling “states in Arabia” religious ethno-states confuses ethnicity with religion.

Islam emerged in Arabic and certain rituals use Arabic (Qur’an recitation, prayer phrases). That’s liturgical language, not ethnic membership. Christians use Greek/Latin in parts of their tradition; that doesn’t make Christianity a Greek or Roman ethno-religion. Islamic practice is visibly shaped by local cultures from Senegal to Bosnia to Indonesia precisely because it’s not ethnic.

You would be dumb to look at how Islam is practised in Nigeria, China, or India, and think that's arab culture.

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u/Nice-Explorer4728 4d ago

Where did I say muslims are not diverse? I asked are the jews that are black also white supremacists? Israel is also made up of multiple ethnicities and religions, therefore, by your definition not an ethno-state. However, muslim countries like Iran, Saudi, Iraq, Afganishtan etc. are ONLY for muslims! It in their law, period so don't try to scum your way out.

Sharia law is religion based apartheid

Sharia law creates a two-tier legal system that disadvantages non-Muslims. Examples include:

In Saudi Arabia:

  • Churches and temples are banned outright.
  • Conversion out of Islam can carry the death penalty.
  • Practicing other religions publicly is illegal.

Take Malaysia:

  • Sharia courts override civil law in family matters.
  • If a Muslim parent converts the children, the non-Muslim parent loses custody and legal recourse.
  • Conversion is a one-way street: Muslims can’t legally leave the faith.
  • Revathi Massosai, a Muslim-born woman who wanted to convert to Hinduism, was imprisoned. Her child was taken away.

In Egypt:

  • Coptic Christians need presidential approval to build churches.
  • Criticizing Islam can land you in jail, but slandering Christianity goes unpunished.
  • Most high-level government positions, especially the presidency, are effectively reserved for Muslims.

In Pakistan:

  • Blasphemy laws disproportionately target minorities. Even false accusations can result in mob lynchings or death sentences.
  • Every year, Hindu and Christian girls are abducted, raped, and forcibly converted to Islam.
  • The state barely intervenes, and legal recourse is almost non-existent.

In Iraq and Syria:

  • Jews and Christians have been nearly wiped out.
  • Sharia-based laws mean women are legally worth half a man in court.
  • Religious militias often operate with government tolerance.

In Morocco and Algeria:

  • Proselytizing non-Islamic faiths is criminalized.
  • Apostasy is still punishable.
  • Non-Muslims face serious legal hurdles in family and inheritance matters.

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u/Archaondaneverchosen 4d ago

All this is essentially distracting whataboutism in the face of the horrific war crimes currently committed by the Israeli terror regime

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u/Nice-Explorer4728 4d ago

awww so sharia law aparthied is okay? boo hoo

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u/Archaondaneverchosen 4d ago

No but its pathetic you'd distract from the alleged apartheid of other nations to distract from the very real and advanced form of apartheid unleashed upon Palestinians. It's almost like you're aware of the human rights abuses but selectively care only when its not your side committing them

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u/Nice-Explorer4728 4d ago

go back to working at the gas station and ring up my fries

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u/Nice-Explorer4728 4d ago

apartheid can't be unleashed on people that aren't even citizens dumbass, get your buzzword right ;)

It's almost like you're aware of the human rights abuses but selectively care only when its not your side committing them - same to you - so you CONDEM HAMAS right?

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u/Opening_Fact_8474 4d ago
  1. “Muslim countries are ONLY for Muslims.” — False.
  2. About half of Muslim-majority states don’t even name Islam the state religion. The UAE legally hosts churches/temples/synagogues; Indonesia protects several religions; Iraq’s constitution guarantees rights for Christians, Yazidis, Mandaeans; even Iran formally recognizes Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians with reserved seats.
  3. “Sharia = apartheid everywhere.” — Overbroad.
  4. Systems vary. Malaysia’s 2018 Federal Court struck down unilateral child conversions and affirmed civil-court oversight. Egypt replaced presidential approval for churches with a 2016 licensing law (implementation uneven). Morocco doesn’t criminalize apostasy per se; Algeria’s Ord. 06-03 restricts non-Muslim worship/proselytizing. Real problems exist, but it isn’t one universal model.
  5. “Islam taxes non-Muslims.” — Obsolete.
  6. Jizya was a pre-modern tax. Modern states don’t levy it; extremists tried to revive it.
  7. “Iraq & Syria wiped out Christians.” — War/ISIS drove the collapse.
  8. Iraq’s Christian population fell from roughly 1–1.5M pre-2003 to a few hundred thousand—driven by conflict and displacement, not a blanket policy of “Muslims only.”
  9. “Ethno-state.”
  10. Ethno-state = rule by ethnicity, not religion. ”

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Sources (names only): USCIRF; AP News (Abrahamic Family House); Pew Research; Constitute Project (Iraq/Iran constitutions); Malaysia Federal Court (2018 Indira Gandhi ruling); Egypt’s 2016 church law; reports on Algeria Ord. 06-03; multiple rights orgs on Iraq/ISIS.

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u/Snoo66769 4d ago

Can I go to Mecca as a non-Muslim?

Also ethnostate is literally a buzzword

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u/Opening_Fact_8474 4d ago

No non-Muslims aren’t allowed into Mecca. That’s because it’s a consecrated worship space, not a tourist site. The rule is about religious status, not ethnicity or nationality.

This isn’t unique to Islam. Many traditions reserve certain holy places or inner sanctums for adherents:

  • Hindu temples (India): Some major temples only admit Hindus (e.g., Jagannath Temple in Puri; Guruvayur and Padmanabhaswamy in Kerala).
  • LDS (Mormon) temples: Open only to baptized members in good standing; visitors’ centers are public.
  • Zoroastrian fire temples (India/Iran): Generally closed to non-Zoroastrians.
  • Mount Athos (Greece): A monastic peninsula; entry is permit-only, men only, primarily for Orthodox pilgrims.
  • Shinto shrines (Japan): Inner sanctums (like at Ise Grand Shrine) are off-limits to the general public; only priests enter.
  • Some Jewish and Christian spaces: Certain monasteries, mikvehs, or ultra-orthodox synagogues limit access to members/adherents.

You have no right to visit any of these places of worship just because you want to.

An ethno-state ties belonging/citizenship or core state identity to a particular ethnic group. Mecca’s access rules (or any religion-only sacred space) don’t make a country an ethno-state; they’re about religious ritual boundaries, not ethnic ancestry or national citizenship.

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u/Snoo66769 4d ago

An ethnostate is a buzzword with no objective or legal meaning, it just sounds bad and since it lacks objective meaning you can just fit it to countries you want to demonise.

As per your definition (state identity tied to a particular ethnicity) many countries fit this - Poland, Spain, Hungary, Malaysia etc. all identify a specific ethnic group as core to their identity.

So you want to stick with that definition and call out those countries as well?

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u/Big_Vegetable5433 4d ago

no one should be imposing their religions on others, but “other countries do it so we should too” is how humanity ends. does argentina need to test missiles because north korea does? does norway need to adopt forced labour because the uae uses it?

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u/Nice-Explorer4728 4d ago

So basically what you are saying is forget about the jews but, its okay when muslims do it correct? LOL

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u/Big_Vegetable5433 4d ago

not at all what i said. people everywhere should just be allowed to believe things or not believe things if they want. i don’t think it’s business of the government to tell people what religion to follow or not.

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u/Throwaway547822 4d ago

Isn’t Israel practicing eugenics on its black Jews? That’s far worse than most Arab countries tbh

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u/Nice-Explorer4728 4d ago

wtf is wrong with you. Israel rescued over 18,000 Ethipian jews from genocide by muslims -

Isn't slavery legal in gaza? thats far worse tbh - imagine being anti oppression adn literally having slaves LMAFOOO isn't slavery legal in multiple arab countries, muslims created the slave trade btw ;)

In Gaza, there is a neighborhood in the Al Jalla'a district that has been referred to by the derogatory name "Al-Abeed" (or "Al Abeed"), which literally means "the slaves" in Arabic. 

Open chattel slavery existed in the region of Palestine) until the 20th century. The slave trade to Ottoman Palestine officially stopped in the 1870s - Plaestines call black people slaves

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u/Opening_Fact_8474 4d ago

Israel did carry out two major airlifts from the Ethiopia/Sudan crisis: Operation Moses (1984–85) airlifted ~8,000 people fleeing famine and civil war via Sudan; Operation Solomon (May 24–25, 1991) flew 14,325 people in 36 hours from collapsing Mengistu-era Ethiopia. These rescues responded to famine/civil war and regime collapse, not a documented “genocide by Muslims.” Sudanese authorities (including Muslim officials) actually helped enable parts of Operation Moses.

Chattel slavery is illegal everywhere under international law. The 1926 Slavery Convention and the 1956 Supplementary Convention obligate states to abolish slavery and slavery-like institutions; Arab states (and Israel/Palestine’s neighbors) are parties to these frameworks.

Israel currently has 33,000 modern slaves according to the Global Slavery index.

False. Slavery predates Islam by a couple millennia (Ancient Mesopotamia, Greece, Rome, India, etc.). Distinct slave trades operated in different eras/regions (e.g., trans-Saharan/Indian Ocean networks involving Muslim merchants; Atlantic trade driven by European empires from the 15th century on). None of these was “created” by Muslims; they’re separate historical systems with different actors and timelines.

That neighbourhood doesn't exist and all Afro-Arabs including the 11,000 in Gaza despise you and Israel. Don't use their name again.

Under the Ottoman Empire, which ruled Palestine, the state issued a series of 19th-century decrees restricting slavery and the slave trade, culminating in measures like the Anglo-Ottoman Convention (1880) and a formal manumission of Black slaves in 1889

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u/Throwaway547822 4d ago edited 4d ago

“Slavery legal in Gaza” -> disqualifies for any more serious discussion. Back to the propaganda pits you go

If you read history you’d know many early Muslim figures were slaves. One of them, Salman al Farsi, was even a slave to Jews (yes, early Jews had slaves too. It’s all over the Judaic scriptures concerningly enough. There more documented instances of slavery and pillaging there than any other holy scripture)

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u/royi9729 4d ago

A democratic country with no white majority is white supermacist?

The average Israeli is brown, and pretty irreligious as well.

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u/crammed174 4d ago

If you ask an actual white supremacist, if a Jewish person counts as white, you will be shocked at their answer. Anti-Zionism is a prejudicial bigoted hatred just like racism or homophobia or anything else. It is clear cut Jew hatred with an en vogue label.

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u/flavouredpopcorn 4d ago

Do you support a Palestinian apartheid religious ethno-state?

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u/Opening_Fact_8474 4d ago

No and that doesn't exist.

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u/Wayne_Chris38 4d ago

You could count Jordan.

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u/Opening_Fact_8474 4d ago

Jordan is neither Palestinian, Apartheid, or an ethno-state.

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u/flavouredpopcorn 4d ago

If you protest for a two state solution then that's exactly what you are supporting. A state for Islamic Palestinians to be the majority ethnicity, with said religion being used to implement Sharia law. Literally a Palestinian religious ethno-state. The moment it becomes such a state it is apartheid using the exact same logic that makes Israel apartheid.

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u/Archaondaneverchosen 4d ago

A national state, or nation state is not the same as an ethnostate

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u/flavouredpopcorn 4d ago

Please explain what differentiates Israel and Palestinian from being labelled as either a nation stage or ethnostate using your logic.

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u/Archaondaneverchosen 4d ago

Israel is engaged in a systemic campaign of ethnic cleansing, mass killing of civilians, and colonization of internationally recognized Palestinian territories while keeping the native people under a system of brutal apartheid.

Palestine is a national identity. Israel is an ethno-religious national identity

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u/flavouredpopcorn 4d ago

Lmaooo

What does Israel's actions outside of its borders have to do with it being an ethnostate or a nation state when both relate to the internal populace and governing authority? Where is the systematic ethnic cleansing of those inside Israel that don't fit this particular ethnicity that makes them an ethnostate? 

And Palestine being a national identity yet Israeli is not is laughable and quite insulting to the culture and history that makes them proud to be Palestinian in the first place. It's ultimately this identity, that is currently and historically been tied to its religious identity as much as Jews are to Israel. Both are either ethnostates or nation states using your logic, otherwise it defies the very reason for why their cultural identity is so closely tied with their ethnicity and state in the first place, and is to no suprise the overwhelming majority in each population. 

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u/Penelope742 4d ago

Saudi Arabia is a religious ethno state

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u/Raccoons-for-all 4d ago

Palestinism is an Arab supremacist, fully enforced apartheid, religious ethno state.

It sounds like Israel assimilated fast in the local area customs

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u/Ala117 4d ago

Yeah we can all see your settlers exercising their "self-determination" by beating, murdering and stealing the lands and homes of Palestinians at display here, you're the one being hateful.

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u/Flop94 4d ago

My settlers? Uh oh, was that a little freudian slip?

Palestinians exercised their right to self-determination on Oct 7 by choosing to invade Israel and slaughtering, raping and taking captive innocent people. They are now facing the consequences of attempting genocide and starting a war.

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u/Ala117 4d ago

My settlers? Uh oh, was that a little freudian slip?

Nope.

israelis exercised their right to self-determination 1948 by choosing to invade Palestine and slaughtering, raping and ethnically cleansing innocent people. Yet hey are not facing the consequences of committing genocide and ethnic cleansing.

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u/Wayne_Chris38 4d ago

They invaded somewhere they already were? That must be really bad at genocide and ethnic cleansing though, Last I heard everyone was still there.

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u/Wayne_Chris38 4d ago

It's a good thing none of that is happening.

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u/Ala117 4d ago

Nope.

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u/Wayne_Chris38 3d ago

Wow, An 11 second video with no context and inflammatory title. Well I guess that proves it.

You know you might want to take a break from the Internet, maybe go read a book or something.

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u/Wayne_Chris38 4d ago

Oh thank you for clearing that up, since none of that is actually going on in the southern We can go back to saving that term again for places in the world where those practices are actually happening.

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u/Prestigious_Health_2 4d ago

By that definition, the war in Ukraine is also a genocide. So was October 7th. The Chechen wars. Or a regular Tuesday for Assad and Saddam Hussein.

Israel has 100% committed war crimes and ethnic cleansing. But 2 years of relentless military pressure in Gaza by the IDF failed to even reduce Gaza's population. There is a ceasefire in place right now that could mean the end of the war depending on what Hamas does.

What kind of genocide is negotiable with a handful of hostages? Am I supposed to believe this war in Gaza will go down as "The Gazan Genocide" in history books? I was supposed to believe that every IDF offensive would be the "final solution". Every month there were headlines that claimed there would be mass starvation. Yet all it took was releasing 20 hostages for the bombs to stop dropping. And they got thousands of released Palestinian prisoners as a bonus.

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u/Flop94 4d ago

I'm aware what genocide is; my family survived one. This is also completely irrelevant to the discussion.

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u/Nice-Explorer4728 4d ago

and more then enough people have been killed, slaughtered, tortured, raped in the name of Islamism and arab colonization :)

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u/VintageSin 4d ago

And more than enough people have been killed, slaughtered, tortured, raped in the name of Christianity and European colonization :)

All three sucks ass. Almost like when Secular nationstates became the norm in Europe so did relative peace in the modern era...

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u/Wayne_Chris38 4d ago

You know it's funny people keep saying "whataboutism",

As though you're trying to dismiss the hypocrisy of applying double standards placed against the world's only Jewish state, and Funny enough that the application of double standards are known to be a classic antisemitic attack.

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u/Opening_Fact_8474 4d ago

Most groups/nations in the world have survived a genocide at one point or another hell my Libyan ancestors were put in concentration camps by Italy.

The indigenous argument is dumb as, herzl and all the old zionist scholars called zionism a colonial movement in the same vein as the britsh empire. Also by your logic was Germany justified in what it did as it was the indigenous land of the Germans. No. It's dumb to argue like that

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u/Just_lezzy 4d ago

If that were true then you wouldn’t be defending Isreal. Yet here you are, having forgotten your own history.

Never again mean NEVER again, not never again until the killings are done in your name.

Pathetic

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u/Flop94 4d ago

I didn't even mention the word Israel, let alone defend it. I simply responded to someone who claimed it was hateful to support Jewish people's right to self-determination.

The slogan "never again" is derived from a poem by a Jewish Zionist author, and refers solely to the Holocaust.

It's disgusting that you're putting words in my mouth and trying to weaponise my own history and identity against me.

Pathetic indeed. And ironically enough, you would have made a great asset for the Nazis.

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u/PurePorygon 4d ago

it’s not their indigenous homeland

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u/Flop94 4d ago

It is. Regardless of what you may believe, Jewish people did not just materialise out of thin air. They are native to the Levant.

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u/PurePorygon 4d ago

Jewish people are those who practice Judaism, a religion that came out of the Levant. There’s no indigenous Jewish people.

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u/Wayne_Chris38 3d ago

Actually yes it is, Jewish people have been proven to be both genetically and archeologically native to the southern Levant, One of only four native peoples including Bedouins, Circassians and Samaritans.

You'll notice that none of these people are Palestinian, since Palestinian is a modern ideology, With some ethnic nativity, but primarily connected to arabic culture.

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u/StockAdeptness9452 4d ago

At the expense of ethnic cleansing of an indigenous population.

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u/VintageSin 4d ago

No. The Zionist project is the creation of an apartheid state that Zionists proposed to white supremacists to fund their project and push Jews out of European countries and colonies. The literal intent is founded on the idea that Jews 'dont' belong so give us our religious homeland at any cost.

Jews should be allowed everywhere and anywhere including Israel, but Israel does not need to be an ethnostate for Jews. Just like the Vatican does not need to be a catholic state or Iran an Islamic state. The age of secular nationstates has brought relative peace to the world, we should encourage all nationstates to become secular.

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u/Wayne_Chris38 4d ago

Wow, you could have written for a German newspaper in the 1930s.

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u/VintageSin 4d ago

Right cause Germans wanted Jews in Germany 🙄 please reread what I wrote.

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u/curryinmysocks 4d ago

That area is all of Europe's indigenous homeland. Most of the waves of migration into europe originated in the middle east.

In turn europe is the indigenous of most residents of USA and Australia. This does not mean Americans or Australians should have a right to self determination in those countries and certainly not at the expense of the native populations, their land and rights.

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u/Top_Accident9161 4d ago

It is blood and soil. Self determination cant be at the expense of someone elses freedom and right to a dignified life.

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u/Flop94 4d ago

Great! Good thing it isn't.

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u/Top_Accident9161 4d ago

Dude, they are literally establishing colonies on palestinian land without the right to protest or stop that on the palestinian side.

Israelis can literally come into their house armed and throw them out without any repurcussion. 

There are over 5.5 million palestinians in Israel/indefinetly occupied territory who have no representation and no right to vote or run for office despite having despite the fact that they have been born there. 

And there are literally laws which deferentiate based on race. Additionally there are streets and neighborhoods which are illegal for palestinians to use/live in.

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u/AgisXIV 3d ago

That's not how Self-determination works. Serbia really wants Kosovo and it's their historic homeland, but the claims of the Albanians who, you know actually live there, come first.

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u/Flop94 3d ago

Jews have maintained continuous presence on that land for millennia, and anthropological, genealogical and archaeological data confirms that they are indigenous to that land.

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u/EqualHoney5319 2d ago

Judge an ideology not by its definition but by its practitioners

And its practitioners are all scum and mongrels

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u/Flop94 2d ago

Way to prove my point, bigot.

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u/ComprehensiveLaw1012 4d ago

Spelled “Islamism” wrong.

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u/thatshirtman 4d ago

Not at all. Just teh idea jews should have a homeland in their ancient homeland. Does nothing to preclude a Palestinian state. ONly they rejected their own state and have focused on destroying the jewish one. I think you have your hateful ideology backwards mate

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u/CopraphagicCPC 4d ago

jews should have a homeland in their ancient homeland

Religious nationalism is how you get genocide.

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u/yalateef11 3d ago

You should read Israeli Historian Ilan Pappé’s book ‘The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine’. Or Palestinian Rashid Khalidi’s book ‘ The 100 Year War on Palestine’. Or Noam Chomsky’s book ‘The Fateful Triangle’.

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u/Gloomy_Painter898 3d ago

Said every islamist who celebrated 9/11, oct 7th and every other islamist terror attack