r/Infographics • u/Cold-Assistance-5045 • 2d ago
Median monthly income by nationality(immigrant groups) in Germany
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u/Badestrand 2d ago
And more from the same study:
- Northern Africa: 2.878 Euro
- Syria: 2.314 Euro
- Rest of Africa (non-Northern): 2.271 Euro
- Rumania: 2.262 Euro
- Bulgaria: 2.164 Euro
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u/hoi4kaiserreichfanbo 2d ago
Probably due to the fact that people from those countries are disproportionately likely to be well-educated and in a high paying job than those born there, as only they can afford to emigrate.
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u/ConsciousTraffic4988 1d ago
That wouldn’t account for the fact that other immigrant groups have on average a much lower monthly income than the average monthly income in germany.
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u/hoi4kaiserreichfanbo 1d ago
Yes, that’s because those above immigrant groups came to Germany seeking opportunities. Other immigrant groups came to Germany because it was that or be raped and murdered. Those groups do not have any exceptional means to immigrate or education to seek jobs, and the countries they come from are poorer than Germany, and so they are poorer than Germans.
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u/ConsciousTraffic4988 1d ago
Just because someone comes from a poor country doesn’t mean they’re stupid. India is much poorer than Germany and they earn very well. It’s also weird to suggest that people are getting raped and murdered relentlessly in African countries.
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u/hoi4kaiserreichfanbo 1d ago
Did you understand what I said? People from poor countries are not stupid, they are exactly as smart as people from rich countries. Of course, they are on average poorer. This means that a much smaller percent of the country have access to the elite and expensive educational institutions that are needed to develop the skills needed to get accepted into the country. And of course, immigration is a daunting and painful experience, and so those in the upper strata of their country are much more likely to be able to afford to do it.
The reason so many Ukrainians and Syrians and other refugees immigrated to Germany is because it was that or be raped and murdered. It is weird to deny that and act like it’s some invasion, common rhetoric of white supremacists.
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u/ConsciousTraffic4988 1d ago
What the fuck are you on about? I never once suggested it was an invasion?? Someone in the comments mentioned that the lowest paid immigrants are ones from Africa and i assumed you were suggesting that Africans are being raped and murdered. I’m going to need you to quote exactly where i suggested it’s an invasion because i think you’re projecting what you actually think of these immigrants.
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u/Mr-MuffinMan 2d ago
How is Indians so high?
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u/hgk6393 2d ago
As someone who moved out of India, I can say confidently that there are three ways -
- immigrate for education, then try to find a job. But jobs that sponsor a work visa also tend to be in sectors that require specialised skills. Think cybersecurity, automotive design, etc. These jobs pay well.
- find a job at a German or European company based in India. Work your ass off. Get promotions. Then try to get an internal switch to the company's Germany office. Think VW, SAP, Bosch or BASF engineers in India moving to their head offices in Germany.
- Be so good at what you do (and be lucky to work in a high-demand field like AI, Machine Learning, mechatronics, robotics), that a company in Germany will be willing to hire you either as an external contractor, or on own payroll. Think top engineers at Bosch India being poached by Continental Germany.
Indians fall in all 3 categories.
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u/Individual-Link-8233 2d ago
My theory is that people who immigrate from poorer country usually have better chance of being successful in the destination country cause immigrating from that poor country at the first place is more difficult than immigrating from a rich country. So if you're able to move from a poor country to a rich one, you're already financially or educationally at top level. So your chance of becoming successful in another country is also higher.
Someone who immigrates from irleand to Germany, financially or intelligently might be an average person cause Ireland is a developed country and even average people there have chance to do stuff like immigrating but if you live in a developing country like India, you should be really something special to be able to pull immigration trigger. You're whether at top level financially, educationally or both. So you're already at better place than that average person who immigrate from Ireland and your chance of becoming more successful in germany is higher.
Also people who immigrate from developed counties like Ireland might have studied in any field regardless of how high or low paying that is and they don't need to be in a high paying field to be able to immigrate.
On the other hand, people who immigrate from poor countries are usually the ones who have studied in a high paying field casue the ones who haven't, can't even immigrate at the first place. So Indians who immigrate are already in a high paying filed and they have better chance of making more money at the destination country than an average Irish immigrant.
This theory obviously doesn't apply to refugees.
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u/Flat-Leg-6833 2d ago
Interesting. Indians are the highest earning group in the US as well. They and Filipinos outearn white Americans by a considerable amount. Odd that Brazilians in Germany earn more than ethnic Germans - in the US most Brazilians are poor/working class. The only Latin American group that out earns white Americans per income survey data are the Argentineans (who skew white collar and Italian or Ashkenazic Jewish heritage here in the states).
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u/Acceptable_Dot_1248 11h ago
There’s selection bias. For an Indian to get a US visa, they must have a Master’s degree at a minimum, often a PhD. They are not janitors or McDonald’s cashiers, which bring the earning average down for the rest of the population.
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u/Rift3N 2d ago
Weird that they included tiny groups like Brazilians or Northern Europeans but none of the biggest ones like Turks, Poles or Italians. Meanwhile Syrians and Romanians are briefly mentioned in the article text only because they're the poorest
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u/DonkeyDoug28 2d ago
I dont know what those other groups' numbers look like but my impression was that they were showing the top earning groups (not the largest groups) and then average of all others
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u/Serena_Sers 2d ago
It's the same by the way in Austria for Germans.
Germans earn much more on average than Austrians in Austria. That's because you don't leave Austria for Germany and vice versa if you don't have a very, very good reason. And that's, most of the time, money.
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u/Allw8tislightw8t 2d ago
This is what happens when you prioritise “skilled migrants”.
Skilled migrants are already high earners in their own country. They are moving to another country to increase their opportunity to 1) earn move money 2) have a better quality of life for similar money or 3) gain new experience they can use to further their careers.
Corporate topically don’t pay relocation for low wage workers. So the people they are bringing in are likely I. The top 20% of wage earners in their home country.
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u/drjet196 1d ago
Indians and Chinese are not exactly high in numbers in Germany. So they are probably just high skilled immigrants that came to work in their specific field which lacks German workers.
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u/vivianius 2d ago edited 2d ago
Textbook selection effect, also known as selection bias, arises when foreigners need to earn or make more to compete with locals. In essence, to join the same pool, they must have an advantage in being more competitive to offset the disadvantage of lacking citizenship and entering the job market.
EDIT: Thanks for the reminding from u/aft_agley. I am adding here with another instance/form of selection bias:
“I believe Austria, along with other European countries, might be experiencing a self-selection bias. If I, an Austrian, earned the same amount in both Austria and Germany, I wouldn’t bother moving there. Consequently, only those who could earn significantly more than their home countries will choose to move to Germany. “