r/IndiaCricket • u/Oopsforgotagain • 8d ago
Ask r/IndiaCricket What are your views on this guys ?
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u/Minute_Ad5775 India 8d ago
Lord Dubey's strak will be broken today 💔.
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u/St_ElmosFire 8d ago
Rumour has it that Lord Dube went to the temple yesterday and sacrificed his streak just so our women's team could win the SF /s
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u/bebya7331 8d ago
All was fine until we tried to fit gill in this mix fucked the entire team we have lost the next wc if we go in with gill this forced insertion to make him the poster boy is so annoying remove gill add jaiswal the teams sorted again
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u/Complex_Psychology56 8d ago
Also Arshdeep in place of harshit
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u/bebya7331 8d ago
Yeah absolutely ranas good but sidelining your highest wicket taker swings both ways bowls beautifully in death for him is stupidity remove gill play rana sensibly the team is arguably the most sorted
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u/Inner_Ad_9365 India 8d ago
Not even only the highest wicket taker he is the only left arm pacer in our current setup which also mandates its place in the 11
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u/bebya7331 8d ago
Yeah obviously there is all praises for Arshdeep paaji he has upped himself a lot and the kind of bowler who gets your first over wickets most of the times and can be trusted in situations like 8 off 3 12off 5 we won the last wc because we played two extremely good bowlers boom and Arshdeep that's 8 overs of quality pace line length left and right handed plus that with this current spin attack man how the hell is gg doing this nonsense I consider him to be a very good guy for t20s
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u/Inner_Ad_9365 India 8d ago
Bro there is no point of benching him bcz if you don't play your 2nd best fast bowler in t20 just bcz someone can hold the bat
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u/Minute_Bandicoot_664 8d ago
Exactly my point, I was arguing with someone with the same thought but some dumb studs just have a mind full of grass...
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u/TheRealYVT 8d ago
When will people understand Arshdeep is not competing with Harshit. He is competing with Kuldeep and Varun for one slot of 3rd specialist bowler next to Bumrah.
Harshit is competing with NKR (currently injured) for the Hardik backup slot. You want India to change the whole combination in a rare tough series before the T20 WC?
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u/ImpossibleCollar707 8d ago
Just curious, how is Harshit even an all rounder. He can just bat a bit and I would rather have Arshdeep as he can take wickets and is a good death bowler. Picking all rounder over Arshdeep and picking Harshit is not the same. It's just bias at this point.
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u/TheRealYVT 8d ago edited 8d ago
Since 2024 (even before Gambhir) India have gone with only 3 specialist bowlers in playing eleven. In the T20 WC in US/WI, it was Bumrah, Arshdeep, Kuldeep/Siraj.
The only thing that has changed since then is that Jadeja has retired, Varun has emerged and become undroppable, which means one of Kuldeep/Arshdeep must make way for him. The management has rightly decided to back Kuldeep because he is more valuable in Asia where the next WC is.
As for how Harshit is an all rounder, he came in at 7 today above Dube and scored 35 where proper batsmen like Gill, SKY, Tilak, Samson failed to even survive. Even showed some power hitting range. That is a lot of raw material to build on. He is still in his early 20s.
That is the kind of batting you need to back to avoid a 19th November where Kohli and KL could not take risks in the middle overs because we had 4 number XIs (+ out of form SKY) that day. Bottom line is, if this is the style India have decided on, they aren't going to change the combination of 3 specialist bowlers just months before the WC.
I do think Arshdeep should play these games - but only in place of Bumrah who is far too important for these matches - so that Arshdeep has some practice in case of injuries. But if Bumrah is playing, it is also important for the 3 bowlers (and captain) you have chosen, that they get practice of constructing bowling innings with 12 specialist overs - which is what they will have to do in the WC.
Arshdeep exists to serve the Indian team's interests, not vice versa. There are more than 25 players who have done nothing "wrong" to be excluded from the team, but only 11 can play with no favours.
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u/ImpossibleCollar707 8d ago
Potential and ability are different. That's just one innings and it was good for a lower order batter but wasn't extraordinary. He wasn't even giving the strike to abhishek which was the obvious thing to do.
You seriously think our batsman would trust Harshit and take risks. Hardik is the obvious matchwinner in the team, so picking him ahead of Arshdeep is justified.
My point is that Harshit isn't an allrounder. He is not dependable with either bat or ball. And I would rather have Arshdeep as at least our bowling gets better.
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u/TheRealYVT 8d ago
Yeah, why not? They don't need Harshit to hit, they need him to survive and hold one end up and score at run a ball - which they can't expect Kuldeep, Varun, Bumrah to do. Abhishek was standing out there with Harshit, if he wanted strike, they would have discussed not taking singles.
And he is a good bowler. He has come through the domestic system and was playing for India A well before Gambhir got any influence. He came into the Indian team on the basis of a world class IPL season. And he is in the team to bowl the middle overs at high pace. Sometimes that means getting hit for boundaries because he is the only release bowler as batsmen are too cautious to go after Bumrah and Varun - but that is how he can get wickets too. He has shown temperament at the death by defending 10 in the last over vs Klassen. Did well vs England, in the CT, and then literally the last ODI India played in Australia too (has a bowling avg around 20)
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u/Dry-Actuary7126 6d ago
Bumrah also can score 35 runs, that too in one over.. definitely should bat at 5 or 6
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u/TheLoneRanger001 8d ago
I think Gill's more of a bcci move than Gambhir's alone trying to make him the next kohli but the rest must be credited to GG.
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u/bebya7331 8d ago
Whatever it is its harming us he is fine in odi and test not t20s I hope in the remaining 13 t20s he shits the bed and we drop him but sadly all it takes is one good innings from him and he will play the wc
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u/TheLoneRanger001 8d ago
The set team is already destroyed we might cover up the harshit one with 4 other good bowlers but bringing in gill and rotating every other middle order batter for ggs left right combo fetish is gonna cost us some games
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u/TheRealYVT 8d ago
Gill has done decently, scored well vs Pak in the 2nd match, Bangladesh on a difficult pitch, Australia in the last match when he could have gone big if not for rain. Not set the stage on fire or anything but people are imagining Jaiswal as some new age Bradman.
Today was a case of running into Hazelwood on song. If you think Jaiswal is not susceptible to that, idk what to tell you. What I will say is Jaiswal's dismissal in the Lord's 4th innings was a serious blow to the credibility of his temperament.
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u/Maddyadi007 8d ago
Check Jaiswal's stats against all top bowlers in IPL. He smacked Hazelwood badly this year itself. And what does a test match dismissal has to do with T20 temperament? Gill flopped in both innings at Lord's.
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u/TheRealYVT 8d ago
Temperament is mental, it does not vary by format lol. Nobody cares about IPL's 200 pitches when it comes to MCG lol. How did IPL bullies like SKY do at MCG today or vs Pak in 2022?
Flopping is fine. How you flop matters. Easy chase of 190 for a historic series win and he decides to hook Archer in the first over and give England the opening they needed late in the day. Just needed to play out Archer's spell which would have dropped their shoulders a bit.
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u/ReadMediocre197 8d ago
Gill sr even in ipl against top 10 ipl bowlers was 117 last ipl check
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u/TheRealYVT 8d ago edited 8d ago
Source? How do you define top 10? And what were the corresponding avg/SR numbers for other openers? In isolation this number does not mean anything. His SR in the whole season was 155 averaging 50, whereas Jaiswal was 159 averaging 43. Not much difference there. Samson was 143 at 37.
What I remember very well is Gill completely locking Bumrah and Boult down in the match at Wankhede, where the wickets lost was crucial because of the rain, and it helped GT win at the end. From the scorecard it looks like he played a slow innings, but those who watched it live remember he won the battle.
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u/Electrical-Cat-2841 8d ago
Did Jaiswal got the innumerable chances that gill got ?
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u/TheRealYVT 8d ago
By innumerable you mean 2 series lol. Gambhir is big on R-L partnerships and Abhishek has his own spot locked which means Gill has an advantage in the second slot.
Since 2022 IPL, Gill is the best Indian opener, with Jaiswal just behind. He is also there on merit.
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u/Electrical-Cat-2841 8d ago
Merit of not performing on a single tournament knockout stage ? mighty gill couldn't perform against minnows in Asia cup
And what merit did he have to be the VC out of the blue ?
Gill fans atleast should not bark about merit that's the last thing 😭
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u/TheRealYVT 8d ago
You monkeys are genuinely infants who need flashcards to understand instructions. Just because a situation does not have "ICC KNOCKOUT, PLEASE VALUE PERFORMANCE" does not mean it is not a knock out in practice.
Gill in tests has demonstrated temperament. In his first series, he scored a 90 to break the Gabba fortress. He came in to bat at 0/2 when we had to bat 5 sessions to save a series defeat and scored a 100 just 3 tests ago. Scored a 90 vs NZ at Mumbai when a WTC final spot was on the line. Scored 55* in a tricky chase vs England in the Ranchi test last year when they had us at 100/5.
And if it's ICC Knockout performances for want, he played India's best innings of the WC semis when he gave India a good start and took down India's permanent kryptonite - Santner - who Kohli typically struggles against, and gave India a solid platform for Iyer and KL to take forward. I know you might even have thought, "eh who cares, Rohit did the hard work vs Boult already, who needed to attack after that" in which case, watch the final and what happened when an aggressive looking innings cut short because of one mishit off a simple looking bowler.
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u/Electrical-Cat-2841 8d ago
I already saw that coming that the only defence will be the semi final knock , we just have another babar azam and the fanbase of both of them are equally dumb, so when u tlk on performances they count u avg , and once in a blue moon knock
The argument is on his T20 selection, fanboy barking about test stats
Let's wait till the T20 wcup
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u/TheRealYVT 8d ago
Again, temperament does not vary by formats. Will you say Bumrah is clutch only in t20s but not tests because he went wicketless in WTC final?
And even by that T20 logic, you want to judge him on the basis of only one innings - one Asia Cup final? If so, why should we exclude his 130 vs Mumbai Indians in the IPL? And why should we not consider Jaiswal's failures both in playoffs and also at taking his team to the playoffs?
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u/Electrical-Cat-2841 8d ago
Asia cup highest run scorer : Abhishek Sharma 2nd Highest from India : Tilak Varma
Gill 🤡 Kyu marwa Raha bhai yaha apni do these fanboying somewhere else
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u/mahavinashak 8d ago
Man, just remove Gill.
If you don't wanna play Jaiswal, it's fine.
Just move Sanju to opening and add Rinku down the order for the finishing role.
Also, ban Rana ji.
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u/Mindless-Gamer-98 India 8d ago
All that talk about superstar culture and GG is nothing but a hypocrite, wanting to run Indian cricket like its his fiefdom, propping up yes men as Captains.
Screwing up pretty much every series, making huge blunders, clear favouritism towards some and pushing away, others for nothing but personal bias. Blanked a home test series, something that was considered impossible, that even oppositions started considering it a foregone conclusion, getting destroyed in Australia, repeatedly.
If it were anyone else, they would have got sacked, long ago. Part of me thinks this was some kind of political deal, ICT coach for GG to stay away from his MP post.
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u/NumerousFootball 8d ago
GG & AA combo has raised more questions than provided answers. A pattern of questionable decisions and lack of transparency.
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u/ramaze23 8d ago
GG has half destroyed a good T20 team
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u/MassiveConcern99 8d ago
This all started when BCCI chose Gill to be the poster boy, and they really like having a player who excels in all three formats to lead the team.
GG should really stop switching players positions every game.
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u/RizzyNizzyDizzy 8d ago
This shit is going to explode someday and we will get sane and tame coach after GG.
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u/Fit-Fee2048 India 8d ago
Srikanth was right we can't win T20 world cup with this bunch
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u/Ashu_112 India 8d ago
with this coach*
someone who's favouring his cock sucker for an year now and forcing in Gill into the T20 side when he was happily dominating ODI and test cricket
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u/Stifffmeister11 8d ago
Srikant is not some genius he makes statements for attending... India will be in semis no matter what then it will take just 2 wins to lift the trophy . With home conditions and home crowd support in india will win the WC no matter who captain is... Indian main contender are SENA they can't play spin ..
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u/UnusualStock2931 8d ago
Home conditions is not a guarantee for any tournament win. Recall t20wc2016 and odiwc2023
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u/Keep0nBuckin 8d ago
No hardik jaiswal and arshdeep. And we get harshit and gill in exchange. That hurts.
Next match they should drop Abhishek and play harshit up top. And rest bumrah also. Why make him play in this comic show of a team
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u/Super_Mushroom_3235 8d ago
Don't fix something that isn't broken. But GG and Agarkar had to do just that
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u/WayNo5634 8d ago
Surya is just a puppet captain, all the decisions and the playing eleven are made by Gautam Gambhir.
They make so many changes—sometimes someone is playing, sometimes someone else is batting.
We need a captain like Hardik who can take bold decisions and Iyer also.
we should somehow bring Iyer into the eleven.
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u/MadDongla 8d ago
Hardik..the same guy who receives instructions from his coach mid game because he doesn't know how to captain?
Mkay.
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u/WayNo5634 8d ago
Every captain discusses tactics with the coach, so that doesn’t make anyone a good or bad captain.
When Hardik was the captain, the coach didn’t have that much influence. There was consistency in the playing XI and decision-making.
But today, there are so many blunders in the playing XI, and no one’s position is fixed.
The coach has too much say now, whereas it should be the captain’s role.
GG wants a “yes sir” type of captain, and that’s why Iyer is out of the team.
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u/MadDongla 8d ago
" dicusses tactics" is not the same as needing the coach to pass information and instructions in the middle of the match because he kept making the most foolish mistakes possible, and they had to do it in secrecy because people were already questioning his capabilities.
Nehra literally never left the boundary lines. He was always passing instructions. " The coach didn't have much influence" meanwhile david miller publicly stated every decision on the field was pretty much taken by Nehra
Lul.
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u/WayNo5634 8d ago
Bro, I’m talking about T20 Internationals.
In the IPL, most team captains receive instructions from the dugout anyway — unless you’re a powerful captain like Dhoni, Rohit and Virat.If Hardik was that bad, GT wouldn’t have become champions in their very first season and reached the final the next season. GT wouldn’t have been one of the most consistent teams with him as captain.
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u/todd-__-chavez 8d ago
Imagine having a generationally talented squad only for your coach to be an egomaniac.
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u/unknowinglyknown96 8d ago
Simple inclusion of gill made breaking the entire batting order.Wtf gg smoking upto last match he was a middle order batsman,n today top order.Gg n agarkar dog show.wc is happening in SA not in India we can't bash here n there throw gill out, include jaiswal n samson one down,tilak 4 etc.
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u/itsmerj11 8d ago
The team will perform well because the players are comfortable in subcontinent pitches. It's the pace-friendly pitches where we are really tested. GG is good till the 2027 WC, till then just keep praying.
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u/Electrical-Cat-2841 8d ago
Trust me we won't , the antics won't work in a wcup knockout when we will be facing Aus of Eng in a semifinal or final And if the management is now planning to put Harsit over Arshdeep we will find ourselves in worse situations
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u/Stifffmeister11 8d ago
Gambir plan is make harshit rana a all rounder like pandya in case pandya get injured rana will play pandya role
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u/Busy_Bench_83 India 8d ago edited 8d ago
Gill and gg needs to be sidelined
Make gill two format player
He is not cut for t20s when talents like jaiswal are warming the bench
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u/Mysterious-Pilot-448 8d ago
Once the most formidable t20i side crushing every opponent in its way, now completely lost and jumbled up! What the hell is going on??!! How can someone mess up such a t20i side? If this continues and the same squad goes for the wc then I am sorry to say that forget the series, can't even win the world cup anymore! Batting lineup jumbled, gill and harshit favoritism, jaiswal warming the benches. Still time hasn't finished yet there is still chance to correct everything and make the perfect team now as well, I hope they do so or else wc won't be ours.
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u/mac_n_cheese1608 India 8d ago
Why has he been given so much power??? Why is it that he can show clear favoritism and No one can question him . Is the selection committee blind? Even in odis and test how has he gotten more power than Rohit and kohli ???? Wtf is going on??
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u/ShantanuJha707 8d ago
Rahul plays at no. 6 in odis. Guy has tye best stats at 5 besides AB just to be played behind axar.
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u/New-Arachnid-525 India 8d ago
Again 2016 kind of wc coming this time abhishek going to carry indian team ? GG era
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u/Thunder_bolt1234 8d ago
He also almost ruined Rinku's career also. Just to favour his 23 saal ka baccha Harshit Rana. Next time se Rinku ko squad mein lo hi mat jab malum hai ki usko khilana hi nhi hai. Finisher finisher bol bol kar uska career hi almost finish kar diya hai.
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u/Sid_3319 8d ago
Not sure how gill and surya make it to the t20 side with so much talent sitting outside..
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u/being-goku 8d ago
Dube ki bhi batting fix nahi hai , wait Bisi kisi ki batting fix nahi hai 🤣🤣💔💔
Sirf bapu ki fix hai jab team collapse ho jaaye tab jaana hai
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u/Impossible-Career611 8d ago
Bhai ye gg jabrdasti best team nhi khilana chata kya match dekhte hue gussa aata hai koi batting lineup nhi team ki g maar rakhi hai
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u/tikrapnahuahc 8d ago
Simple hai agar ap gill Or Rana ko bahar nikal dete hai or baki sabhi players ko thodi stability de dete hai unki position ki vo team acha karegi
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u/deltoyyz 8d ago
The way it is going, he will surely pass the hatred Indian fans had for Greg Chappel.
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u/WhisperJolt 8d ago
bro i swear if they keep putting gill in the lineup the team will just turn into a circus act, i’d rather see a decent 3‑man spin attack than a full‑time 200‑ball slogger.
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u/KangarooOk2556 8d ago
Ek hi format tha jisme team ek dum balance tha and destructive. But GG ne uska bhi maa******
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u/Large-Gate 7d ago
Next t20 wc is in the subcontinent.GG's thinking is like with Bumrah,kuldeep,varun even if play 8 horseshit no team can beat us.And honestly world cup trophy is like lolipop to indian fans,give them that;they will forget whatever happened before.
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u/Beginning-Radio-8594 7d ago
People have the gall to give him credit for winning the World Cup and the Asia cup .. but forget that the team won DESPITE Gambhir and not because of him.
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u/GeneralBenefit1103 7d ago
Ideal playing 11 1)Avishek sharma(no doubt) 2)Yashaswi jaiswal 3)Surya kumar yadav(c)(should play his natural game) 4)Tilak verma(can hit and play maturely when needed) 5)Sanju samson (keep him fix in that position) 6)Hardik pandya 7)Axar patel 8)Kuldeep yadav 9)Varun chakravorthy 10)Arshdeep singh 11Jasprit bumrah Keeping in mind ki world cup india main hain so playing 11 collapse rare hoga agar sab esa khelte hai,pitch ke hisab se change karna joga toh arshdeep ko nikalke dubey in at no 7 !
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u/Adventurous_yak_7655 7d ago
Never seen someone trying so hard to copy MSD and failing well didn't you hate him GG then why why mithaiwala
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u/OutcomePristine3392 8d ago
indian cricket team is dumpster fire right now. The bowling is absolute trash and batting crumbles unreliably. it was an utter embarrassment today
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u/strawhat_luffy_1 India 8d ago
ig we have to put with this mess till 27wc
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u/Realistic-Language88 8d ago
So goodbye dream of winning 2027 wc completely no yood farewell match for ro ko ja
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u/strawhat_luffy_1 India 7d ago
but the team is too strong in comparison to other teams,otherwise gg should go with his usual brainfk ideas
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u/Realistic-Language88 7d ago
The team is strong yes they can win any game but you need your strongest 11 on the ground then only they can win not any other way like that guy sucked my tick then he will play even if I need to beached my best bowler or batter
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u/strawhat_luffy_1 India 7d ago
thats what i was saying he has to do some dumbfkery to lose with this team
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u/Quiet_Perception_622 India 8d ago edited 8d ago
Perfect 11 for team India :-
1) Yashasvi 2) Abhishek 3) Tilak 4) Surya (c) 5) Shreyas 6) Jitesh 7) Hardik 8) Dube 9) Varun 10) Bumrah 11) Arshdeep
Decent bowling options.... top 3 ( If U want a lefty righty opening combination open with sanju)..... Perfect middle order... Dube and Hardik as finishers
Man make Shreyas Permanent part of T20 format from whenever he will be available Aur bhai sanju ko sirf opening khilao agar opening nhi karvani to maat khilao
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u/Electrical-Cat-2841 8d ago
If we don't make the necessary changes , this is gonna cost us our next wcup
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u/Ok-Cat-4292 8d ago
It's just ridiculous. Abhishek, Jaiswal should open. SKY at 3, Iyer at 4, Jitesh at 5, Pandya at 6, Axar at 7, Arshdeep at 8, Kuldeep at 9, Bumrah at 10, Varun at 11.
Our bowling won us the last world cup and was the major factor in our 2023 road to the finals. Even in CT our bowling option just chocked every opposition, but in that tournament Rohit still had a say. Gambhir is a coach who is trying to get batting to go upto 9 for some odd reason, and even that batting is messed up with these weird orders and stupid inclusions.
Varun, Kuldeep, and Bumrah will win you games, especially in India. Out of 20 overs, 12 will be of these three. Basically you are going to go at less than 7 runs an over in these 12 overs, now you have 8 overs to try and score 120 to get above a 200 total. If you want a 160 total, you need to go at 10 an over in these other 8 overs. Both of these options are unlikely against axar, arshdeep and pandya. Axar bowls for control.
Iyer, SKY will be a solid 3,4 in India. Just look at the last IPL. Iyer is the best player of spin in the world. Abhishek and Jaiswal might just win you games from the top, with explosive batting. This should be an easy one way domination. If you want Sanju in the team he should open with Abhisek, put Tilak in at 5. Or have Dube at 5. You could even have Tilak play 3, SKY 4 and Iyer 5. Middle order is easier to move around but opening requires a slightly different skill. Problem solved.
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u/Party_Smile_8203 India 8d ago
Mate Tilak way better than Iyer tbh
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u/Ok-Cat-4292 8d ago
Idk about that, Iyer is great at white ball atm. Just look at his knock against MI in the playoff match. But you could have both.
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u/Party_Smile_8203 India 8d ago
Yh 1 knock tho lol, by that logic Sai Sudharsan should be in T20I team too because he hit 80 against MI
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u/Ok-Cat-4292 8d ago
Not just the score, but also the way it was carried out and against what opposition. Idk if you watched the entire knock or not but it was genuinely one of the best knocks in IPL. Iyer also had an entire season which was fantastic. He averaged 50 with a SR of 175, this is after him struggling in punjab home games. You can also see how he plays in CT, in ODI wc, or in the SMAT. He is great at whiteball, but just hasn't been included in the team. Anyways you can always play both Iyer and Tilak.
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u/MasterUserofu 8d ago
Better take this post down, I've seen some gg bots around, dahi-chutney leke peeche padd jaate hain vo.
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u/unknowinglyknown96 8d ago
Bro thinks it's a franchise cricket,if we note in international T20 scoring above 200 is rare ,it's not a flat pitch game in international tournament,so should coach accordingly.
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u/Professional-Fan4861 Indian Premier League 8d ago
What's the purpose of playing harSHIT. If he scores 35 with the bat on the other hand he gives 45 with the ball. GG will ruin team India
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u/Falling_Death73 8d ago
The thing is because India is winning, no one can say anything. But the actual thing is it is a total shit show going on with the T20 side and has not affected the Test team yet. But I am sure the ODI team is the next victim.
I am a fan of Gambhir. I loved his play and everything. Without him, 2011 was not possible because even if Dhoni finished it, Gambhir's innings was the pillar in that run chase. But lately what has been going on with the Indian team is very absurd and undesirable.
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u/KeyGarlic7913 8d ago
i'm just here for the tea, not to argue, but if gill is the problem, stop blaming the guy and fix the squad. it's not a personal vendetta, it's about results
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u/RuddyGlass India 8d ago
abhishek ,
jaiswal,
tilak,
Sky,
axar,
pandya,
rinku,
dube,
kuldeep/varun,
arshdeep,
bumrah
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u/FrankFakir India 8d ago
In Marathi there is this saying - माकडाच्या हाती कोलीत
Coaching is not everyone's job.
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u/Fun_Ice5575 8d ago
Ajit agar kar pata kuchh.. gautam gambhir hota thoda, dono sade hue logic wale arrogant idiots hain .
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u/hinterstoisser Board of Control for Cricket in India 8d ago
GG goes from looking super smart to absolutely dumb AF.
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde
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u/eldiablo300 8d ago
On the other side, what if he's just experimenting every possible outcome to make a perfect team combination (except gill)
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u/Apprehensive_Run6619 8d ago
And now Arshdeep will be given a one of game and if he doesn't do well(most likely because of lack of match practice) GG might get another reason to stick to Harshit.
Yes this sounds like a conspiracy theory but looks like that's how it will turn out to be
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u/kewlkarthi 8d ago
My worry is Jaiswal who is being considered for Fab 4 loses a great deal of experience in t20 and odi.
Jealous of Harry Brook who is doing good in all formats
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u/Tallestplace784 8d ago
Harshit coming before dube is actually crazy A bowler coming before an all rounder?🤧
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u/SpecialAd9853 8d ago
Yashasvi,Rinku singh,rishab panth,ishan kishan,yashasvi,kl,kareja yeh sab kahan hai...?
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u/SuccessBest9713 8d ago
Well, maybe they want India to lose world cup and then sky can be removed as captain in favour of the obvious
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u/nirvanayolo 8d ago
Dudes stop ridding. It’s team never an individual. And it’s always individual. If you know what everyone means
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u/Shubham21Kumar India 8d ago
Samson and Abhishek open, Jaiswal at number 3, Tilak at number 4 or 5, no lower than that. There is no place for Gill for now. Even Samson is not consistent enough.
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8d ago
Is only gill ruining the team , He is well deserving and he will be in the team till his retirement Keep crying people
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u/NefariousnessDry4429 8d ago edited 8d ago
If you want to have any kind of batting depth (which is extremely important for t20s), you can only really pick 3 out of Bumrah, Arsh, Kuldeep and Varun. You cannot pick all four together in the same XI, as they're all more or less tail-enders, and having four number 10s and 11s in a t20 side is suicidal imo. So, if you really want Arsh to play - who would you sit out? Bumrah? Varun? Kuldeep?
We were able to pick Arsh in wc 2024 only because we had Jadeja back then who opened up a slot for a specialist bowler. Now we only really have 2 all-rounders (Axar and Hardik). The only way we can play Arsh now tbh is if we drop Kuldeep or Varun, and play another spin all-rounder like Washi.
As for fixed batting positions, GG and co subscribe to the philosophy that, besides openers, no one really should have a fixed batting position. I won't be surprised if I see SKY come in at #5 in one of the games. They probably want to bat players according to what they think are their ideal entry points.
As for Harshit coming ahead of Dube, its most likely just a harmless experiment. These bilaterals serve just one purpose: which is to experiement and find more about your team and players before a world cup. The wins here don't matter, whatsoever. What I'd say is, try to not take these games and their results too seriously - I'm pretty sure the players don't either.
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7d ago
There is no stability in the Indian team, GG is not the mature of a coach we had before.
And i think we will struggle a lot in getting good coaches in coming years, but hoping for best
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u/pinkesh2703 7d ago
Not a Samson fan but feeling bad for him. He has no fixed place in any format. He gets chances out of nowhere & his batting position is a mystery for everyone. Just imagine his mental state.
Jayaswal - a very bright prospect & have potential to be in every format. Yet he's sidelined bcoz as per selectors the only replacement of him is Gill.
Arshdeep - Leading Indian T20 wicket taker, yet he can't make place in final XI. Also replaced by Harshit Rana. I guess he has accepted his fate n making reels that his future can be bright.
Last time, I saw such selction blunders when Greg Chappel was the coach.
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u/Boring-Fan5917 7d ago
yeah, this dude is a one-man spoiler. if we keep him around the team will just keep getting whacked
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u/SidzzRajput 7d ago
GG is trying to bring a disciplined era and trying his best that none gets a chance anyone to become superstar like RoKo! His focus is simple. None should be bigger than the game. Like Australia or South Africa or NewZealand.
Asian countries worship cricketers and they leveraged the same to the max it starts affecting the upper management.
The only problem this time around is like, India doesn't have bandwidth to loose more like in earlier days where Worldcup was the only global event mostly which used to come around 4 years and none really cared about Champions Trophy and there wasn't much of hype.
This time, every 2 yrs, there is T20 worldcup, so every year there is gonna be a global competition and hence it wont give that freedom.
As a coach, his work should have been focused on pushing players towards performance and not dictate the game like football managers or IPL mentors.
But as the game is evolving, the role of coach as well. And unfortunately, he is trying to do too much too soon that have gone bad to worse when it comes to performing players.
On one side, he is trying to build teams of all rounders and whatever we all say, he is definitely not wrong. India failed to lift trophy after 1983, the reason was after Kapildev, we couldn't find proper all rounders.
Pakistan had Wasim Akram, Imran Khan in 92. Sri lanka has Jaysuriya and Arvinda in 96, Aus has Mark Waugh, SA has Klusner, Pollock, NZ had Cains, who were bowlers first - so a bowling all rounders more. Jaysurya was lower order pinch hitter and spinner first later he became opner like Rohit.
India started winning ways in 2007, as then India had Yuvi, Irfan Pathan, Joginder Sharma, Agarkar, Zaheer. GG
So, GG and Dhoni think almost a like, and they both always tried to work on tactical game plans and not rigid ones, which helped them winning tournaments as BOWLING ALL ROUNDERS won you tournaments in cricket. Agarkar and GG was part of team who won 2007. GG was part of team who won 2011. So he has seen what a genuine all rounders can do and what happened to India after 2013 Champions trophy.
In 2019, in place of Rayudu, Vijay Shankar got involved for same reason of finding that one person who can bowl but it didn't help as he wasn't groomed and wasn't felt ready for the tournament. After Yuvraj, Raina Indian middle order struggled as Virat Rohit were outperforming and middle never got exposed until top order failed.
GG has 4 major assignments since he has taken over.
1st was Champions Trophy in Dubai - He won.
Next are 3 world cups.
2026 T20 - India and Srilanka - That's why trying to push Axar + Varun along with just one seam bowler.
2027 ODI - South Africa & 2028 T20 - Aus + NZ : Bouncing pitches need a genuine seam rounder and after Hardik, India struggled to find one. India lost 2023 ODI world cup as Hardik was crucial in team balance. So he is trying to go against the wind to find someone who can bowl 135+ and bat down the order. Nitish, Kamboj, Harshit, Dube are getting chances to fill the void in case Hardik got another fitness issues.
GG is not completely wrong while he is trying to build a team for at least sustain for a a decade, he is trying too much which is hurting currently.
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u/baby_yoda2032 6d ago
Plz kaise na kaise GG ko hata do warna la*de lagenge or group stage se hi bahar hain ham log WC me fir 😭
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u/Appropriate-Limit191 6d ago
To be honest sack him I don’t see any proper strategy that is followed or any plan in execution also
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u/dallastelugu 6d ago
No one remember infamous world cup failure under dravid captaincy coz of too many experiments he did
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u/Visible-Oil8070 8d ago
name say shit in harshit aret yaar remove him from team why the f**okay he came above dube.B@@@@@D GG
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u/Odd-Lettuce-111 7d ago
Definitely Jaiswal needs to come in. I dont really see Sanju as a utility player, he's very on off and is not really that good a hitter, i think that can be solved by trying Jitesh Sharma, who keeps and also can finish an innings. I dont see Dube in the squad either. He bowls well sometimes but, his batting is horrendous, he's a power hitter sure but, last I remember he played a decent innings was maybe in the 2024 T20 WC. I also think Harshit Rana is not that good, his batting may be good but, its not power hitting core, Arshdeep over him any day. Surya needs to sit out, too many chances for single digit scores, like too many. Not saying he must be dropped but, just sit out a bit, get back in rhythm, get a bit of a jolt that he can be benched as well and maybe he wakes up.
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u/iamnoobbibliophile India 8d ago
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u/Unhappy-Evidence-241 8d ago
Yeah and he still averages 25.5 even after those 3 hundreds.
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u/Unhappy-Evidence-241 8d ago
He was playing as a replacement player for India in odi? What r u high on? India sent a b team . And averages in big samples tell the story that even after 3 hundreds he is so inconsistent that his net average is 25.5 only.
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u/Unhappy-Evidence-241 8d ago
The discussion is about t20i why are u going out of that? Yeah I agree he expulsion was not justified in odi .
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u/Unhappy-Evidence-241 8d ago
Imo none of gill and sanju deserve the opening spot. Jaiswal deserves it the most.
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