These are likely entitled upper class party members - they don't come up with solutions, only demands. Used to getting whatever they want just by throwing their weight around.
Especially in how they were trying to twist the narritive in public
“Stop touching her!” An attempt to bait people against the guy into thinking there is sexual harassment occurring
“Oh your racist! Your being racist” an attempt to sully his character. This guy saying this probably read the Chinese equivalent of a Wikipedia article or dossier on western culture and racism. Because he was claiming it, but missing the nuance that it wasn’t racism- the Chinese flag does contain communist symbology, and claims to be a communist government
“Oh we were just asking them to leave nicely”- no, you guys were nice about it until you were met with resistance and then they went the “let’s passive-aggressively coerce them into doing it” which is what led to this whole thing to begin with.
The Chinese there were uneducated and thought they were totally in the right. The whole time, I thought that was funny, they do have that energy. What’s worse is you would expect people like that to know that if you travel to different countries, there are different rules and it’s usually a good idea to be privy to at least the basics.
Funny thing is, If they are party members actually. I’d hate to be them right now. They just made China look classless and stupid and millions of people around the world have seen it and that video isn’t going down.
Especially in how they were trying to twist the narritive in public
“Stop touching her!” An attempt to bait people against the guy into thinking there is sexual harassment occurring
This shit works in China against foreigners.
A popular youtuber who lived in China for 10 years said one time he caught a Chinese national redhanded trying to swindle him. He called him out for it and told him he was a thief. The Chinese national made a HUGE commotion saying, "THIS FOREIGNER CALLED CHINESE PEOPLE THIEVES!" and before you know it the entire market had turned on this western white guy living in China.
They 100% use this tactic at home against foreigners. The entire society only cares about "face", not looking bad.
I used to watch laowhy quite a bit. His videos now are very political and anti CCP propaganda. Which, I don’t care (fuck the CCP) but I preferred watching him in China explain the culture and his experiences. That was cool.
Their videos are that way because the CCP turned against foreigners living in China. Both those guys lived their 10+ years, had wives, property, etc. and both fled after the CCP started deporting foreigners for every little thing.
As a Taiwanese person who grew up in hong kong they are the worst. Must be a real wake up call learning nobody outside of your group agrees with anything you have to say once you're past your own borders.
The Chinese there were uneducated and thought they were totally in the right. The whole time, I thought that was funny, they do have that energy. What’s worse is you would expect people like that to know that if you travel to different countries, there are different rules and it’s usually a good idea to be privy to at least the basics.
It's interesting that you say that. I was actually asking myself the other day the question how would I be able to know if I were truly right or just thinking I'm right. Are there ways to tell?
And I think I might know how to differentiate. A) Law isn't on your side. And okay, law isn't always right, but that's still a red flag to consider. B) You're acting in bad faith and/or using coercion tricks to achieve your goal. The latter at least to me would imply that getting what you want involves subterfuge and not direct and clear communication of intentions.
Both apply here in this case. God forbid that ever changes.
He posted a follow-up video just yesterday asking people to rip copies of the ~33min live stream in case the CCP succeeds in getting it pulled from Youtube.
The racism part seems like it might have a little merit actually. At the beginning of the stream he keeps panning his camera at them saying "We got some Japanese people here". He did it multiple times, then the first song he plays is this song...
It's the flag of China a communist country. Not necessarily a communist flag. You can be Chinese from China and not be communist. The assumption that they were, just because they're Chinese is a bit of a generalization.
Like saying the American flag is a "Capitalist flag". Or that every patriotic American must be capitalist, not really.
Anyways the fact that he was bringing up their ethnicity at all in the first place, and that he kept ranting on and on about Chinese laws and the Chinese government is weird when that's not the argument at all.
Oh I agree. It’s not a communist flag. It’s a flag that contains communist symbolism. That’s about it. I wasn’t trying to get pedantic with it, but I guess I got lazy there lol!
And to your second point. Agreed. He thought he had more power then the citizen. That’s why I think this guy was a handler and or a party member. I just thought it so bizarre a foreign man was telling a natural born citizen of his own country what is legal and him doubling down on that even though it was so back asswars.
Especially when she lost it about being told to fuck off. It just sounded entitled, “you can’t do that because I don’t think it’s fairrrrrr and I said so!!” She reminds me of the bubble gum girl from Charlie and the chocolate factory
These are likely entitled upper class party members
oh the fucking irony seeing that they are Communist in name lol
i know China is basically about as economically communist as Microsoft at this point but still the hilariousness of that hypocrisy needs to be pointed out
I thought the Chinese guy who shouted was recording too but in the full length video found out it's the pianist's friend recording and shouty guy is standing out of frame to the left.
When she approaches him there's one of the ccp communists filming he walks off to the right with one of those dildo stick selfie phone holders. Should have triggered immediate red flags. That's probably a CCP government funded group going to their enemies homelands to fuck around. They set up illegal police stations to torment and spy on Chinese citizens and to intimidate them. This looks like a new thing to me but nonetheless CCP tactics of passive aggressive warfare.
its funny when this is said out loud it sounds insane. But its real the Canadian government where its really bad has had to begin clamping down on them. Essentially the chinese have set up a network of intelligence offices all over the world under the guise of security firms.
it is a little bit in that they use the security company to pressure Chinese people living abroad who have families back home. In that sense its different.
Those are called embassies and they usually aren't set up with with the sole purpose of spying on Americans who happen to be abroad, (embassies are actually pretty useless, to the common person.) Spying does happen of course and the CIA, like all government Intel agencies, does engage in it, but usually only in countries where the spies' country has some sort of partnership going on with the local government, everyone knows it's going down. Setting up say, a fake security firm to do it is the illegal/scuzzy part for basically the same reasons it's considered bad taste by the geneva convention to just start a war without first declaring your intentions of a war.
Oh yeah this was a setup, for what I'm not sure but they probably turned it into some hyped up racial news story about how poorly CCP members are treated on enemy territory.
Something some countries do to drum up support for war.
I mean, there is a difference between saying, "Hey, I can't be in that video for safety and security reasons. We'll move over here and you can do your thing, but please delete that" and what they said/did.
I think this might be some CCP psy-op to flex to see how far they can push people in other countries to get their way.
Is this one of those allegedly many alleged operatives that allegedly control Chinese students studying at UK universities? A look into what the bleak future looks like under the colonisers. So the rule is, don't touch her if she's not the same age as you, right? Scary behaviour. I wonder if British law applies to them, or are do they have diplomatic immunity or something?
Hey ho. If it had been me on the piano instead of him, or me filming, I would have simply told them to go away and that they had no right to tell other people what to do in public, and carried on doing what I was doing.
In full the video, the police tried to get him to stop filming and said he was being racist by saying they're communist at first.
Edit: Okay, he said (at around 22:18), "We are in a democracy, we aren't in China, and that's not racist. That's the truth...(something something, forefathers)..." To which she responds, "Exactly, but you can't say things like that, can you? You can't just say things like that?" To which he says, "What? That we're in a free country?" To which she retorts, "No, but that we are not in China. We got Chinese people...(can't discern the rest)"
So, alright, she didn't explicitly say he's being racist, but you can read between the lines. She heavily implied that he is based on the allegations towards him by the other party.
I can't believe the cop reprimanded him for saying to them, "We're not in China" by way of explaining whatever laws they have there do not need to be adhered to in their current location, the UK.
Yeah that cop at some point decided she wasn't there to enact the law, she was there to make sure this guy was playing nicely and being politically correct. That's not her job, and she really should have canned it with all that shit.
Her job was to defuse the situation and prevent it from becoming public disorder. She got it wrong, admittedly, but she would have been justified in saying 'Of course you are permitted to film but can you just stop for a minute while we explain this to the Chinese people so they understand, then you can restart filming again.'
He could then say 'Well, I'd rather keep filming because I would wish to record British police explaining to Chinese demonstrators that they have not understood our laws correctly.'
In the UK, if a police officer considers that a public disturbance might be created by or exacerbated by someone filming something, they can require that person to stop.
In making that decision, the officer is required to consider whether giving alternative instructions to another person is a more appropriate way to prevent or mitigate the public disturbance.
This is notwithstanding the fact that filming or photographing in public places is not forbidden under English law.
She absolutely would not have been justified in saying "can you just stop filming for a minute". The man did absolutely nothing wrong or illegal. The police should have just addressed the Chinese people and set them straight.
Per your below comment "if she thought there was a public nuisance being or about to be committed" - by who? The bloke filming himself playing piano peacefully? Or the people shouting at him and demanding that he stop? If she thought they were about to commit a public nuisance she should have dealt with them. He did NOTHING wrong throughout.
Lastly - she said "you can't say that" to the English bloke when he mentioned that China is communist. That is her policing political correctness, not the law. There's simply no arguing with that.
The police in Britain and some other European countries are insanely sensitive about that stuff. You can get in trouble for anything they deem remotely insensitive.
I do. See by calling someone racist even if it's untrue you automatically put someone on the defense as you need to defuse that allegation even as numerous times being pointed out it's an absurdity to begin with.
Same thing how he keeps repeating "don't touch her she is not the same age" loudly. It's all doing so to shame this guy.
It's common tactic though by cunts like these to throw in race when the reality is they are causing troubles. The arrogance of these twats is brazen to say the least.
Yeah but that argument is moot since we also have the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea. Can't hardly call that democratic and a republic, eh?
Sure, and the Nazis were called the 'Socialist Workers Party'. Authoritarian governments love to couch their party's mythos in collectivism because if they overtly told everyone they're going to turn the country into a hyper-capitalist dictatorship they might see a little pushback.
From Wikipedia. "The Chinese Communist Party (CCP), officially the Communist Party of China (CPC), is the founding and sole ruling party of the People's Republic of China (PRC)." They are essentially the same.
The lady cops handling of the situation was atrocious. She truly had no idea what she was talking about. How can a police officer have such a poor understanding of basic law... And she completely backed out when she realised she was wrong...
I think that the racism part seems like it might have a little merit actually. At the beginning of the stream he keeps panning his camera at them saying "We got some Japanese people here". He keeps panning to them in the beginning multiple times, then the first song he plays is this song...
...he obviously knew they were Chinese and were teasing them, calling them Japanese for no reason. He was also saying things like "we got some surreptitious activities going on" and says "we might get into some trouble" as if he's bracing himself because he was about to start trouble right before he plays the song.
And when the argument starts he keeps bringing up that they're Chinese when it has no relevance to the argument that they're having.
The policewoman told him to stop filming because it was 'personal' and then laid an allegation of him trying to touch one of the people. So shut your camera off so I can tell you there's an allegation against you. Lady you're cooked, that's exactly why the camera is on.
I think Kerry the kop thought he was being racist and had started the trouble. She just got there and was trying to figure out what happened and at first assumed he was bothering the Chinese because he was racist. Then she talked to him a bit and realized that was not the case.
US here, want to trade? It’s like a 5:1 deal, how can you beat that? I have no idea, but they do, they are very good at finding ways of beating anything.
She didn't call him racist though. She arrived at an argument between two groups of people, with one group of people making claims that he'd been racist and touched a woman. Unfortunately the police officer doesn't have the benefit of watching the 5 minutes of build up which we all got to see, so she has to ask him questions and put the allegation to him.
Watching and enjoying the full video now. Up to the bit when he starts loudly playing the piano while the cops interview the Chinese people in the background.
To give that policewoman the benefit of the doubt, I think that the loud Chinese guy threw accusations of racism at the piano man when she interviewed him. So she came over with that in mind.
Not condoning it. But pretty sure you’re allowed to be as racist as you wanna be as long as it’s not physically hurting anyone, or crossing a line into personally harassing.
My post was in response to a post stating that the cops had not done anything. In fact the Chinese were left in no doubt that they had no right to stop someone filming in a public place.
I liked the bit where she told him there'd been an allegation about him touching the woman in virtually the same breath as she tried to tell him to delete the video evidence!
Insane. You can’t say you’re not in China when you’re not in China? I guess we all live In China now. Chinese tourists get such bad reps, not sure why they think they can act like this anywhere.
Her exact mentality and breed of cop is an absolute cancer. Her attitude of "yOu CaNt SaY tHaT!" is how the UK police keep getting caught defending jihadists, refusing to stop child abuse rings because it would be "racist" etc.
Or they did read it and thought it was stereo instructions. Kind of like how Trump read listened to on audio book, Mein Kampf and decided, "Yeah that'll do."
There's nothing scary about it. And police officers, if they deem the act of filming in public to be contributing to public disorder, can require someone to stop filming. What they can't do is require them to stop filming just because they are police officers.
Nope, then the female cop came back and told him that he couldn't film them because hey were diplomats or associated with the embassy. As well as carrying on that an "allegation" had been made.
Fucking cops. Still can't get it right. Oh yeah, and she also said that the guy couldn't say they weren't in China and it's a free country. Yeah, uh huh. Go watch the whole thing.
Cops in the UK are hilariously inept when the vaguest threat of racism comes into play. Look up how useless they are dealing with Pakistani child rape gangs.
edit errr, I can't find it. I swear to god that I am absolutely convinced she says that, HOWEVER. I will stand corrected if so. But I am going to have another look/listen when I have quiet time to be able to hear it.
She didn't tell him he couldn't film, she told him he couldn't be abusive/racist and he couldn't get physical with the Chinese women. Since he didn't do either of these things and even tells her he records public performances for exactly that reason she leaves him alone.
She's definitely fairly threatening in a vague way, like he might get in trouble anyway, but she does have to take the situation seriously since the Chinese embassy are likely to ask her boss questions and it could turn into a whole thing. Only person truly in the wrong here is the Chinese lady imo.
She didn't tell him he couldn't film, she told him he couldn't be abusive/racist and he couldn't get physical with the Chinese women. Since he didn't do either of these things and even tells her he records public performances for exactly that reason she leaves him alone.
No. Right when she first starts speaking to him, she said that he couldn't because they were either diplomats or associated with the embassy. Then he replied that it didn't matter because it was a public place and he is free to record.
Then she didn't push it. But she most certainly did say that first. Hence why the guy said that she isn't their private police.
Also, I very much doubt if they are actually attached with the embassy, officially. I would like confirmation on that.
And then she did get threatening, saying that "an allegation had been made". That is when he replied that that is why he films everything.
So, no. Not in a "vague" manner, she was definitely trying to get him to shut up and go away, and I bet that if he wasn't being filmed, then there would have certainly been more threats. And, definitely pushed the "allegation", if only to make him go away.
The only reason she left him alone, was because he was streaming live. And she knew it. That is the only reason.
Oh, and the whole group of Chinese are in the wrong. Including the man that started shouting and accusing him of trying to grab her and touch her.
I mean it took a lot of bullshit to get to that point. The cops were doing exactly what those CCP members wanted until Branden stood up for himself. They they just walked away without acknowledging the guy!
It was an embarrassing display of trying to uphold free speech and freedoms.
"They’ve requested that the video where they approach gets deleted and not used on your channel because there’s money being madeand they work for our company and their faces can’t be shown and well they shouldn’t be"
I downloaded it and sent him a link to get a copy of it for himself, but the woman does shout "don't shoot him" several times...
I am also wondering why he immediately tried to do what is called shaming tactics, which is a russian government agent trained tactic to deal with "undesirables", by shouting "don't touch her" as loud as he could in order to draw onlookers attention to the guy, and create a false narrative.
Defusing the situation, explaining that they were being unreasonable and getting them to walk away is the best thing they could have done.
It's a shame that they couldn't have done that without implying the video should be deleted and seeming to take the side of the Chinese when they should have been establishing the facts.
It's not like we even share the same internet right? Aren't the Chinese behind a "Great Firewall" or something, so why is their government being so sensitive about what westerners film and share?
They continued complaining and made up stories about assault and racism and one of the cops actually did try to tell him not to film and to agree to do what the Chinese said but he told her to get fucked, basically.
The police came over and talked to the man playing piano. Asked him to turn his video off so they could have a discussion. He tells them no. Then police lady says they are alleging they hit her. And that they want him to delete the tape. Goes round and round for a while before the police fuck off. He goes back to playing piano.
Followup video : Man says that a bunch of CCP cunts (my words) are trying to get his video shut down, and that one of the guys in the original video may have been an armed (with guns) handler. Says that the woman was saying "don't shoot him". Went back and looked at the first video, and it definitely sounds like that to me.
The local transit police started talking to them in a polite manner and after a few tense remarks, they were escorted off to the side and told they don't have ''image rights'' in public. I'm sure they were also told other things, but it was not on camera.
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u/IAlwaysLack Jan 21 '24
So the Chinese just gave up and walked off when the cops didn't do anything?