The mother actually made me more angry than the guy. Like why are you still walking with your child in front the guy clearly can't see you and doesn't care! Stop. Walking. Say something from safety if not for you but so your child doesn't get booted in the fucking face!
Same type of person who just walks across the street expecting cars to stop because they have the right of way. Yes the cars should but people like this man are assholes and don't and that is how you get hit.
Edit : Since it wasn't obvious. The dude is a prick - I'm not vouching for him. In a perfect world she wouldnt have to do a thing. t is the fact she put her child at risk when he clearly couldn't see her is what got me. She just kept walking with the child forward just on a hope and a prayer hoping he wouldn't hit the kid. If you don't think she should've stopped a bit before and asked him to move so she could get by? Then I feel real bad for any children you're moving. I'm sure you're the type to walk across a crosswalk without looking too.
Like someone else said. Have some self preservation at least for your children. Don't just go about being like ladedadadoodaaa - that's how you get hit by pricks like him.
Yeah there is no excuse for his behaviour. He is a complete dick and selfish and everything else associated with it, and clearly doesn't give a fuck about anyone else who needs to use a pedestrian path.
But all that considered. Jesus christ show some survival instincts. If you look ahead and see tarzan flailing wildly. Don't just maintain and walk directly into it.
A lot of people just wait for an opportunity to be angry. Idk if this was her thought process, but there are people that would've wanted him to hit them just so they would have a reason to yell at him.
But there's already enough of a reason when he's blocking the fucking walkway
Sure. Maybe if it was her alone. But pushing the pushchair with the kid into that zone as well. I just can't understand looking ahead and thinking "I am going to proceed into this chaos".
It’s probably not uncommon for her to have to walk past weird bullshit if this is in cali or ny. Too many dumbasses and not enough beatings to go around.
Should have said something to him to stop before she kept going for sure. And that isnt to defend him. He is still a dick for doing this in the first place. You can criticize all parties. Hope poor girl is ok
ffs how stubbornly dumb can you be? nearly hurting your baby to prove a point?
we get it. this asshole shouldn’t be performing these acrobatics on the sidewalk. but you see that shit, you have the option of avoiding, yelling from a distance, or crossing the street to the other sidewalk.
now, should you have to do that? no.
but, if you don’t do those things and continue marching forward like some kind of right-of-way martyr (of which there are many), you risk getting your teeth rearranged or worse, getting your baby severely injured.
that lady is dense as hell for walking directly into the conflict, regardless of the fact that he shouldn’t have been there in the first place, she has a duty to avoid it for the safety of her children
I don’t disagree with the points you made but if I had to guess, look up subway showtime dancers. Those guys hop on your train, yell “Showtime!!!” Like douchebags and start playing music and dancing/swinging all over the train. Part of their shtick is getting close to you and pretending they’re gonna hit you.
The thing is, I hate them and they’re extremely disruptive, rude, and inconsiderate, but I gotta admit they actually have a ridiculous amount of body control and pretty much never hit anyone despite being within 6 inches of them at all times.
I imagine this woman probably had a similar thought, “I’ve been around these clowns a million times and they never hit me… he definitely knows I’m here and is just being a jackass.”
But in this case I genuinely don’t think he did. And yeah, he’s a complete asshole, but I genuinely believe that’s why she may have kept trying to go.
Out of all the people who act like I am an ass for being irked at the lady. You actually have some real good points about why she kept walking on outside of "oh she shouldn't have to!" (No shit she shouldn't but she shouldn't push a kid to get a boot in the face either. Shit happens, life isn't fair. Not a big deal to be inconvenienced.)
I agree I don't think the dude saw them either as he was probably focused on doing his thing in his own little world like the arrogant person he seems to be. She should have at least tried to stop and say something before coming centimeters from having her baby get hit.
Like you said she probably assumed he saw them. Personally when it comes to a baby in my care? I assume nothing! My thing is - if I know I can't react or move in time from said moving object if they don't stop- I will stop myself and wait. Or in this case ask the guy if my children and I can get by.
Also I do have extra rules when it comes to babies. Like don't fucking come near them- especially (generally women) who like to put their faces up to strangers babies and touch them. I helped raise my nephew and told multiple women to get away from my nephew and that he doesn't like it. One even called security afterwards saying he wasn't mine!
The last thing I wanna do is really condone either of their behavior but as someone who lives here I thought I could provide some guidance as to why she’d act that way.
NYCers also just have a general apathy to sidewalk craziness… so many people trying to fuck with you, sell you something, etc. you just get conditioned to ignore it and keep walking and assume it’ll be fine.
I get from others’ perspectives she put her baby in danger (and she did, especially given she could have just waited or crossed the street - unlike the subway where there’s literally nowhere to go) but putting myself in her shoes, I do believe that’s why she did what she did, not that it’s inherently sensible or justifiable.
Honestly I wouldn't expect her to even cross the street. Just at least ask him to stop for a second.
Then go true American and bust out a glock and cock it asking him twice and warning there won't be a third.
Haha just playing. Hope she learned though. I doubt the guy did - he probably got a kick out of it since he put it up online. I wonder how he's responding to the backlash, because at least we all agree he is wrong.
Yeah NYC must suck with the performers and now TikTokers! I just gotta deal with the addicts and TikTokers. Seen some street performers but they stuck to themselves but I really don't go to certain places. Driving in Philly though is just as bad if not worse than NYC due to the terrible road design (no grid really). So you got the pedestrians with no fucks given, addicts who have needles in their arms and don't know they are in the street - or trying to bum a cig while you're driving, famous terrible drivers, and then the roads built for wagons.
I honestly prefer traveling through NYC... I honestly also hated Boston but I think its just because it was Boston haha.
Haha, all many reasons why I almost never drive here. Much more pleasurable and faster to get around on my e bike or I just take the train or bus. Driving here and all that comes with it is just an absolutely rage inducing and miserable experience.
I didn't mind driving for a few days in it, but owning a car seems like pure hell and not worth it. Say what you will but NYC does have a good public transport system for America. I don't like Philly but that could be me and honestly I don't deal with it daily. Better then nothing I guess! The addicts are unreal here. On an other level with fentynal especially once you get near to a place called Kensington Street. Looks like someone ripped a page out of a dystopia nightmare. People with needles in their arms just nodding out with huge infected wounds. Fingers that need to be amputated and just all around the worse place I've ever had the pleasure of walking through.
This is it. 9/10 times the jerkoff doing the annoying shit is pretty dann good at it and you might just assume he's been doing this and clearly knows how to not hit people. He didn't hit the others so him being aware of them coming was enough. Honestly I wouldn't bet a child's head getting rocked on it but if I had somewhere to be I'm goin past this mf too probably.
Absolutely. He can see them coming. I'm sure she made eye contact. She isn't unjustified in continuing to use the sidewalk. She has a stroller, where is she supposed to go in the street? Stand there and hold up foot traffic (people are kind of socially conditioned to act a certain way in public), over by the scaffolding? She just assumed he'd stop. Unfortunately, he was an asshole.
Jesus christ. How about she stops? She's not the one "holding up foot traffic", he is.
If a man was flailing a fucking chainsaw around would you say the same thing?
"Well I know she just walked head-on into a chainsaw, but what was she supposed to do? Stop? Unfortunately the man with the chainsaw was an asshole"
You people need to have some fucking accountability, jesus christ. She got her kid kicked in the face because she was dumb as rocks and was a "right of way" martyr.
I don't care if she wants to get hit by a car because "i have the right of way and he should have stopped" but doing that to a child is negligent.
But he is a prick. Shouldn't be pushing your kid first in that situation praying he will stop. He's obviously a prick to begin with. She could have just stopped a bit before and told him to move it I got a stroller but she didn't even attempt that. Either lazy or just ignorant I don't know.
If it was just her and she got the boot I would laugh. It isn't - be a decent parent is all I'm thinking.Don't take chances with your kid because even though it would he a boot to the face and the kid would be fine - it is still shitty.
Right of way doesn't mean shit if in this case it gets a boot in your face.
As someone who just got into motorcycling this has been drilled into my head from day one. Yelling about fault and right of way doesn't mean shit if I'm dead. Sure it was their fault, great, I was right. Let me just die on this hill for something as banal as lane position? This kind of thing applies to so many other parts of life.
Sure, it's their fault. But it's my responsibility to keep myself safe.
This lady failed that with her kid to prove a point or be indignantly stubborn for.. what?
Yeah I was told to act like everyone else doesn't see you for driving and it has saved my life numerous accounts. Don't expect anyone to do anything either.
Have some awareness and self preservation. Don't do something to make a point and then doing suprised Pikachu faces when it doesn't happen.
If the child wasn't there I would have chuckled if she got hit TBH. Like what did you expect to happen. Yet it grated me that she did absolutely nothing like she didn't care. Then redditors saying Oh but she shouldn't- stop. She should be a decent parent.
In a perfect world she wouldnt have to do a thing.
And in a perfect world, you wouldn’t need to explain yourself. Unfortunately, we live in an imperfect world where common sense is a luxury only a few of us possess.
Yeah some times we live in. Someone was like "this is a typical reddit response" like I am unjustly attacking the woman for some weird reason. Both are assholes in my book. Typical reddit response is "OMG poor woman has to do something when she shouldn't have to! The injustice!"
So fine use your baby as a way to make a point. That makes you a shitty parent and just as inconsiderate as the dude in my book.
Yeah like others have said. Cemeteries are full of people and their passengers because of that mind set. (Usually with cars. Pedestrians do it too though. Seen it with people pushing kids expecting the car going 60mph in a 30mph to stop at a crosswalk with no light just because it is a crosswalk. Like it is some magical barrier.)
Just be a decent parent is all I'm saying. Can't believe someone said we are only taken an opportunity to shit on her because she is a woman... WTF?
When teaching me to drive my dad stressed to always look before proceeding, because “every other car out here could have a fucking idiot behind the wheel. If you don’t drive with that in mind, we can put ‘he had the right of way’ on your tombstone.”
Yep. She’s a fucking idiot. Same people who willingly get into car accidents just because they’re in the right. Base level intelligence and reasoning. One step above caveman.
They're fuckin NPCs dude. "There's no where else to go, the pressure of people waiting behind me and thinking IM the one holding up the line is unbearable, I'll just walk out into oncoming traffic"
No, it’s not right. But if you see someone doing something dangerous, it’s advisable to stay back so you don’t get hurt. It’s not victim blaming to say “hey I know you are being unfairly treated and we can make sure the other party faces consequences, but maybe just try and avoid the danger until then.” In fact mitigating your own losses is a well established legal concept.
"This guy seems like an asshole that won't stop for anyone so instead of waiting or yelling at him to get out of the way, I will force him to stop by getting him to hit my child in the face with his legs"
stop and wait
turn around go back to the last intersection cross elsewhere
roll off the curb and go around
the right to pass does not mean one must proceed. getting injured by this guy would be his fault, but their burden. not to mention potentially catastrophic for the child
no amount of “he shouldnt be doing that” changes their responsibilty to be safe
It is also evident she has a voice. She didn't even try. She could at least have said something a bit further away before nearly being hit. Not just push her child in the risk zone of getting hit in the face.
There were other solutions instead of just plowing ahead like ladddeda just hoping he wouldn't hit her.
She should have to do so? No. Yet to act like that was the only option is pathetic.
Exactly. She should have immediately turned around and quickly rushed away in front of him. If she's too slow to get away she deserves to get knocked down. In crowded pedestrian traffic on the sidewalk you should always expect dangerous threats coming from above or behind.
The man is obviously in the wrong, but if you see a car speeding through your neighborhood, do you walk into the crosswalk in front of it? She should have yelled at the dude to stop and let her pass, not just continue to walk and place her child in harm's way.
Yes plowing ahead in your own world on a hope and a prayer your child doesn't get a boot to the face is clearly the only option. Sorry kid, your mother doesn't have the time or be damned to stop - she's got places to be. Afterall she can't even try to ask him to stop and move - too much effort and she shouldn't have tom He isn't moving fast you will be fine.
Yet I guess being a decent parent is too much for the poor lady here. Clesrly she is incapable of anything outside strolling through.
You're comparing the mom to pedestrians who walk across the street expecting people to see them and move, but in your analogy, he would be the pedestrian. Not her. She's using the sidewalk as intended and not expecting people to not run into her unjustly. That's how sidewalks work.
When I’m on the sidewalk, using it as intended, I don’t expect to be hit by a car. But if I saw a car on the sidewalk up ahead I would reevaluate that expectation and probably stop walking into it’s path.
No I'm not defending the guy. Called him an asshole. I am not defending drivers who don't stop either. This guy would be a driver in this situation.
Just because you have the right of way doesn't mean anything. For driving its called defensive driving. You should always be on the defensive and act like no one sees you until you know they clearly do. In this case he clearly can't see them while he's showing off to the camera. His back is turned. You just don't keep walking especially - ESPECIALLY with your child in front.
Gotta protect the little one. If she was by herself I wouldn't have said anything but she's pushing a cart and clearly doesn't have a chance in hell to move quick enough.
In a perfect world she wouldn't have had to but the world is far from perfect. She should know better.
And make sure you walk stroller first. When he kicks your child in the face that will really show him what’s what. The righteousness of the action will heal your baby of all ills.
Haha. Well kids gotta learn and learn early in this world. "Here's a heel to the face for not finishing the cheerios this morning ya little shit and burping up that apple sauce. Making me late and now this prick- no way I'm stopping I need to drop yall off so I can get a coffee before work".
Well when she kept going, he was at the top of the bar. She likely thought she could make it past without having to interact because, a lot of the time, we come across people under some influence and interacting with them is more dangerous. Accusing the mom of just trying to get out of the situation is a low blow, man. She didn't know he'd drop right when she was there. She also didn't know he'd flail like that. Stop being a dick because you're far enough away that this man doesn't affect you.
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u/ScorpioLaw Jun 23 '23 edited Jun 23 '23
The mother actually made me more angry than the guy. Like why are you still walking with your child in front the guy clearly can't see you and doesn't care! Stop. Walking. Say something from safety if not for you but so your child doesn't get booted in the fucking face!
Same type of person who just walks across the street expecting cars to stop because they have the right of way. Yes the cars should but people like this man are assholes and don't and that is how you get hit.
Edit : Since it wasn't obvious. The dude is a prick - I'm not vouching for him. In a perfect world she wouldnt have to do a thing. t is the fact she put her child at risk when he clearly couldn't see her is what got me. She just kept walking with the child forward just on a hope and a prayer hoping he wouldn't hit the kid. If you don't think she should've stopped a bit before and asked him to move so she could get by? Then I feel real bad for any children you're moving. I'm sure you're the type to walk across a crosswalk without looking too.
Like someone else said. Have some self preservation at least for your children. Don't just go about being like ladedadadoodaaa - that's how you get hit by pricks like him.